Congrats to Royce

[avid1010]

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As a freshman, forced to play back up 4 AND 5, he did more than enough to convince me he will be a more than adequate replacement for Joplin and eventually a clear upgrade.  Though maybe not on day 1.

Also, that is the one  position at which Shaka has not yet recruited a clear replacement yet.   So, I anticipate 28-30 minutes and double digit scoring.

Agreed...seeks like a guy that is just going to figure out how to get buckets on a regular basis.  I can't wait to see his development.

[Its DJOver]

Then don't say 95% of college basketball players struggle with consistency, and that he can't be considered a stretch 4 until he fixes that issue.  At an extreme that would mean 5% of college basketball players would meet that criteria, and more likely would mean less than 1% of power forwards would meet your criteria. 

I don't think teams were saying "no need to extend out and guard Parham beyond the arc."  So if he's drawing his defender out, he's stretching the floor on that given night.

Anyhow...team USA talent evaluators obviously liked him enough for tryouts.  That's probably a good indication...

I think you misinterpreted my post.  I did not say he has to be in the top 5% in terms of consistency in order to be a stretch 4.  I said he needs to improve his 3 point shooting above the 28% he shot last year in order to be considered a stretch 4.  Jop struggled with his consistency all 4 years (certainly not in the top 5%) but I would consider him a stretch 4 from his Sophomore year on.  The rest of your post is meaningless since it builds upon a narrative I wasn't presenting.

[brewcity77]

I think you misinterpreted my post.  I did not say he has to be in the top 5% in terms of consistency in order to be a stretch 4.  I said he needs to improve his 3 point shooting above the 28% he shot last year in order to be considered a stretch 4.  Jop struggled with his consistency all 4 years (certainly not in the top 5%) but I would consider him a stretch 4 from his Sophomore year on.  The rest of your post is meaningless since it builds upon a narrative I wasn't presenting.

To be a stretch 4, he just needs teams to respect him enough to guard him at the arc. Being a "stretch 4" doesn't require a magic percentage, it just means the defense is pulled to the perimeter, which opens up the rest of the floor for your teammates to make offensive moves. Teams already guard him on the perimeter, which means he's already a stretch 4.

[Its DJOver]

To be a stretch 4, he just needs teams to respect him enough to guard him at the arc. Being a "stretch 4" doesn't require a magic percentage, it just means the defense is pulled to the perimeter, which opens up the rest of the floor for your teammates to make offensive moves. Teams already guard him on the perimeter, which means he's already a stretch 4.

That's an incredibly loose definition.  There are a ton of players that get guarded on the perimeter.  They are not all "stretching" the defense. You're right that there's no magic percentage, but at some point you have to hit some shots, and he has not done that at a very high clip.

[brewcity77]

That's an incredibly loose definition.  There are a ton of players that get guarded on the perimeter.  They are not all "stretching" the defense. You're right that there's no magic percentage, but at some point you have to hit some shots, and he has not done that at a very high clip.

It's not a "loose" definition, it's just the definition. Players at the 4 that pull defenses to the perimeter are stretch 4s.

Consider Caedin Hamilton and Devin Carter. Different positions, but they serve to make the point. Caedin was left unguarded to the point that he could catch, set, take a long, deep breath, recalibrate, and shoot without a defender moving an inch in his direction. He's not a player that is stretch because no part of the defense extends to him.

Devin Carter, on the other hand, drew defenders to 35 feet out because he hit a number of big shots from super long range. He wasn't good at those shots (sub-25%) but teams picked him up there because of the highlight reel shots he did make.

Royce stretches defenses and we know this because Synergy noted 53 of his 77 catch and shoot attempts were guarded. We'd all love for him to be more accurate out there, but there's no world in which he doesn't clearly fit the "stretch 4" criteria.

[Its DJOver]

It is a loose definition. Short of the Hamilton/Derrick/Edey type players, 99% of all players are guarded out to the three point line. You become a "stretch" player when you're guarded out that far because you're a threat to hit a shot, not just because that's how teams play defense. Every single player we've faced since Shaka has gotten here has gotten guarded out to the perimeter, that doesn't make every player a stretch player, it just means that Shaka runs a high pressure defense that prioritizes TO and guarding players out that far, even if they're not a stretch player, is the best way to force TO. Making some loose definition to support a sub 30% shooter does not make that shooter a player that stretches the floor.

[brewcity77]

Making some loose definition to support a sub 30% shooter does not make that shooter a player that stretches the floor.

I'm sorry that words have meanings, but they do. Royce is a stretch 4. That's not a debatable point.

[Its DJOver]

I'm sorry that words have meanings, but they do. Royce is a stretch 4. That's not a debatable point.

I'm sorry you think so, but the actual statistics say otherwise.

[The Sultan]

It is a loose definition. Short of the Hamilton/Derrick/Edey type players, 99% of all players are guarded out to the three point line. You become a "stretch" player when you're guarded out that far because you're a threat to hit a shot, not just because that's how teams play defense. Every single player we've faced since Shaka has gotten here has gotten guarded out to the perimeter, that doesn't make every player a stretch player, it just means that Shaka runs a high pressure defense that prioritizes TO and guarding players out that far, even if they're not a stretch player, is the best way to force TO. Making some loose definition to support a sub 30% shooter does not make that shooter a player that stretches the floor.

Give it up. You're getting wiped out here.

Royce is clearly a stretch 4.

[cheebs09]

Yeah, Royce may not have stretched defenses this year, but you can tell he's going to be a solid to good shooter. And he's definitely going to get on some heaters that win us games.

His shot selection improving should help his percentage. There were a few times I'm not sure the ball was fully in his hands before he was firing up a shot.

[wildbillsb]

Davante?

"10!"