What is the actual gap between Marquette and the top of the Big East

[The Sultan]

at least myself, and others, will put it out there for debate. You? Boring and predictable bullshiit. Nothing profound. Always predictable. You being you, I guess. But I will say this, those dentist's were not wrong.

What debate do you think you're having that hasn't been had a millions times already here?

[Uncle Rico]

What debate do you think you're having that hasn't been had a millions times already here?

Also, it's been well-documented the dentists were always wrong.

[The Sultan]

Also, it's been well-documented the dentists were always wrong.

Viper hasn't been wrong since once the glory days of those Chones / Alcindor match ups.

[Uncle Rico]

Viper hasn't been wrong since once the glory days of those Chones / Alcindor match ups.

The gap between UCLA and Marquette got wider and wider after Chones left and took a job that required him paying taxes

[HutchwasClutch]

The question is do we have a single scorer.

Parham has a scorers mentality for sure and a skill set around the basket and from 3 to do it. 

Ross with a now healthy shooting hand should be better and good for around 14 a game. 

The rest a bunch of question marks.  Except Norman, which, yeah.  Not happening.

[Shooter McGavin]

Hopefully the better stats that Kam, Tyler and even Stevie had than last years sophomores were mainly due to the fact that they (Kam, Tyler and Stevie) had to play and get minutes.  Whereas Zaide was behind Kam and Chase.  Hard to get the time to show your full ability that way.  We shall see. 

[The Sultan]

The gap between UCLA and Marquette got wider and wider after Chones left and took a job that required him paying taxes

Hope he had good advisors.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

[DoctorV]

Luv ya, Dr V, but your hindsight feels a little like revisionist history. A fair amount of scoop intelligentsia wanted TKo brought off the bench and the keys handed to SJones on day 1, Kam was a conscience free gunner, Omax fell down too much, Oso couldn't be a Big East center, all while predicting doom every season. 

It is certainly possible that the pieces don't quite mesh or the players take time to fit into their new roles.  THE SAME AS IT HAS BEEN FOR ALMOST EVERY TEAM EVERY SEASON FOR ETERNITY.   Our Big East brethren will average 8 new players to their rosters/programs this coming season.  By and large, they are going to have parallel challenges of fit and new roles.  A whole lot would have to go right for another F'em season for MU.  But IMO, normal growth and development and good health for the players MU has leads to a record similar to last season.

Folks complain about all kinds of things.

Tyler couldn't shoot for shite, and Kam had to be reigned in a bit.

My main and only point is that both of those guys had a very visible and obvious elite skill from the get go. Despite them needing to improve to become AAs, it was obvious they had a special talent.

Another poster mentioned that TyKo wasn't as obvious from the start, but the way I remember it is that you could tell immediately that he had special court vision, and it was a head scratcher why he was such a brutal shooter. He fixed that, but the passing ability and vision was always elite.

Again this doesn't mean that guys can't and won't improve and gel as a sum of parts that's much greater as a whole, with enough athletic ability and defensive prowess as a group to make it work into a very good team.
It just means that I haven't quite seen the elite skills I saw in those immediately before them, not just yet at least

[Zog from Margo]

Folks complain about all kinds of things.

Tyler couldn't shoot for shite, and Kam had to be reigned in a bit.

My main and only point is that both of those guys had a very visible and obvious elite skill from the get go. Despite them needing to improve to become AAs, it was obvious they had a special talent.

Another poster mentioned that TyKo wasn't as obvious from the start, but the way I remember it is that you could tell immediately that he had special court vision, and it was a head scratcher why he was such a brutal shooter. He fixed that, but the passing ability and vision was always elite.

Again this doesn't mean that guys can't and won't improve and gel as a sum of parts that's much greater as a whole, with enough athletic ability and defensive prowess as a group to make it work into a very good team.
It just means that I haven't quite seen the elite skills I saw in those immediately before them, not just yet at least

Did you notice that Tyler, Kam, and Stevie were not particularly athletic, Oso was a Wojo afterthought, and OMax barely played for Clemson? There's uncertainty every year. On the positive side, the roster next season will easily be the most athletic during Shaka's tenure at MU.

[muwarrior69]

Also, it's been well-documented the dentists were always wrong.

You must have been over charged for the root canals you didn't need.

[Uncle Rico]

You must have been over charged for the root canals you didn't need.

I don't believe in modern medicine, so I haven't been to the dentist in years.

[The Sultan]

I don't believe in modern medicine, so I haven't been to the dentist in years.

Dentistry is pretty much like alchemy.

[Uncle Rico]

Dentistry is pretty much like alchemy.

Toothpaste is the same stuff they use in chemtrails

[MU82]

at least myself, and others, will put it out there for debate. You? Boring and predictable bullshiit. Nothing profound. Always predictable. You being you, I guess. But I will say this, those dentist's were not wrong.

I don't remember too many "profound" takes on your part, but OK if you say so.

And yes, Scoop does miss the dentists' profound takes on Crean sucking, aina?

[wadesworld]

I remember Scoop thinking Chase would be MU's next NBA player his freshman year. I don't recall that being the thoughts on Kam, Kolek, or Oso their first year at MU. A select few posters though OMax had that potential.

So the idea that everyone saw Oso, Stevie, Jop, Kolek, and OMax as special players from day 1 while nobody sees any special skills with returners is just revisionist history.

[MU82]

I remember Scoop thinking Chase would be MU's next NBA player his freshman year. I don't recall that being the thoughts on Kam, Kolek, or Oso their first year at MU. A select few posters though OMax had that potential.

So the idea that everyone saw Oso, Stevie, Jop, Kolek, and OMax as special players from day 1 while nobody sees any special skills with returners is just revisionist history.

In fairness, Goose saw "special" in TK very early, and maybe a couple others did, too.

Of course, Goose also thought Gold would be Marquette's next NBAer, and was just hoping he'd be at MU for at least 2 seasons before going pro.

None of us bat 1.000 on these things.

[tower912]

My favorite things about Goose were our early agreement on TKo's upside, OMax's NBA potential, and being the only two on the Ben Gold bandwagon.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

My favorite things about Goose were our early agreement on TKo's upside, OMax's NBA potential, and being the only two on the Ben Gold bandwagon.

Ahem

[DoctorV]

Where is Goose?

[tower912]

Ahem

Fair.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Where is Goose?

Was caught up in the permabans a few months ago

[MU82]

My favorite things about Goose were our early agreement on TKo's upside, OMax's NBA potential, and being the only two on the Ben Gold bandwagon.

Yes, you and TAMU, forgive me for not including you on the early "TK will be a star" group ... though I did say "maybe a couple others." I guess you two are that lovely couple!

I thought Kolek had exceptional court vision and basketball IQ. But I was one of a few Scoopers who also thought it was obvious that he had to shoot much better, develop a float game and go to his right more to take his game - and Marquette - to the next level. Looking at what he did his last two seasons, I feel comfortable with that assessment.

Gold is better than a lot of Scoopers portray him to be IMHO. If he had made himself available in the portal, there would have been no shortage of high majors going after him. But I'm not yet seeing the consistency and depth to his shooting that would be his only possible ticket to the NBA. Right now, he is Novak Ultra Lite. We'd all love nothing more than to see Gold have a senior season anything remotely like Novak's!

[NCMUFan]

Nope.  Several.

So if every starter and bench player only scored two points per game you would be happy?

[tower912]

No.  And how did you arrive at that?