2024-2025 Season Grades

[1SE]

Give us yours. Mine:

Stewie. B A pretty consistent theme in these grades is going to be inconsistency. At his best, Stevie was a BEDPOY candidate who could knock down an open 3 and finish at the rim. At his worst, he was Derrick Wilson 2.0 who unfortunately will have had the last TV replay of his career being Devon Dent blowing by him down the lane for a lay-up to put NM up 5 with 5 to play, a deficit we'd never get closer than. Maybe the wheels were really out of grease in the second half of the season, a tough end for a guy with a great heart and motor. Would love to see him back on the MU sidelines next year.

Kam. B. B for a 2nd-team All-American you say? Yes, because while most of the guys were inconsistent game to game, Kam was really a tale of two seasons. 1st half - consensus 1st team AA, NPOY dark horse - A+. 2nd half - 3rd team all-BE (C-) - average it to a B. Maybe it is just the scouting report got out about a guy who only goes left and plays below the rim. But that doesn't explain what happened to his shot. I really feel for Kam because had he played to his early-season form he was probably a late 1st round pick putting 7 figures in the bank. Now it's G-league or Europe. Oooff.

Chase B+. Chase had a solid season and is really the only starter who progressed (or at least didn't regress). Our one guy who could consistently play above the rim - he definitely flashed Association potential. But he also went MIA in some games (or game stretches). Maybe this was deferring to the seniors, but he never really emerged as a third-option to be "the guy" on any given night. A trio, rather than a duo, of guys who might go off for 20 on any given night would have changed the look of this team. We're ride-or-die with Chase next year, so let's hope he can become the man.

Jop Wagon B If some of our guys were inconsistent from 1st half to 2nd half of the season, or game to game, Dr. Jopple and Mr. Wagon could do it possession to possession (as we saw in the finale - how can one guy be so good and so bad in the same game?!?!). 8 games with 20+. 13 in single digits. Some improved D, but what were his advanced metrics on the dribble drive? Hard not to groan every time he put it on the floor. 

Benny G C. I think a lot of the Gold Brick criticism is that Shaka has a completely f'ed big strategy. I don't know if he thought BG was going to be Oso 2.0, or that the Freshman were going to be able to shoulder more load, but BG is not a high-major 5. In the end, 37% from behind the arc is more than serviceable for the role he should have been in - a stretch-4 who plays about 20 mpg. Given that he also showed a little from time to time off the bounce, I think if he was in that role it would have been an A- season. But as a 5 he just couldn't cut it - he couldn't consistently get into a two-man game with Kam or Stewie, he couldn't eat O or D glass, he couldn't be more than a passable rim protector (but part of this is Shaka's scheme - will some knower of ball please tell me why our 5 flashes trap in the middle of the court, 35 ft from the basket, on their best ball-handler?). Again, we ride-or die with Good as Gold next year - hopefully in a slightly different role.

THE BENCH

Zaide. A-. The brightest spot on the team this year. Solid D, could hit a 3, had some nice moves at the rim. At almost 16 minutes per game he shared the 6-man role with Royce, but frankly I wouldn't have minded seeing a bit more. I really hope it's him AND Chase on the floor next year rather than him OR Chase.

Royce. C-. He's a freshman, sure. But if you hit 3s at a sub 30% clip and play 15 mpg per game, you probably shouldn't be taking almost 3 of them a game. Another stretch-4 who really shouldn't be in the 5 but also not really at a stretch 4. Not quite sure what his role is next year - don't really want to see him and BG on the floor at the same time. Best thing about freshmen, they become sophomores.

Tre. D. Sorry, this is Derrick Wilson 2.0. I guess the best thing you can say is that he didn't really regress from his Freshman year - 9.1 mpg in both seasons, 18.9 (frosh) vs. 18.8 (soph) 3pg%, 2.0 (frosh) to 1.9 (soph) ppg. But it's hard to see how a point guard that has a career A/TO ratio of 0.5/0.4, and a FT% of 51.4% has any role on a high-major team. That twitter account may have been fake news, but it would probably be best for all involved if Tre departed for different pastures. The best thing about Sophomores is that they're not Freshman, expect when they are.

DO. B-. Some flashes, but really almost more of an Incomplete. Could be a nice backup for Chase/Zaide next year. The potential is still there, but didn't really see enough (despite 9.8 mpg) to get a sense of if it will be realized.

Caedin. C-. Our aircraft carrier in disguise? A few flashes of a a guy that could be a dude down low, but still very very raw - and not a major D or Glass force. Given how raw Caedin was, I do struggle to understand how the 7'1" guy on our bench couldn't have seen 5 mpg this year - a "big" line-up of Clark, Gold, Jop, Chase and Kam at least would have given us a different look when we were going through one of our patented 6-minute FG-less stretches. On most teams, Caedin would need to take some major steps forward to justify a major increase in minutes next year - but given our big situation it seems like he plays a significant role. Again, the best thing about Freshmen is the become Sophmores.

The rest A. Guys who show up every day and put in the work for no NIL, scholarship, or minutes have my complete respect.

Shaka C. At the end of the day, the players play, but the Coach owns the results. And the results were not good but also not terrible - e.g. a C. But you do have to wonder how a guy that had us at #7 in Week 11 ended up heading home with a nary a NCAAT win. Of the T-10 that week, the other 9 teams included all four 1 seeds, two of the 2 seeds, and two of the 3 seeds - all of whom are still playing. Only KU fell as far as we did (so yay?). Yes Shaka can't take 3s for Kam, but as teams started to gel and started to adjust to Kam, it is on the coach make adjustments - that's literally why he is Marquette's highest paid employee by orders of magnitude. Introduce some new/different action. Figure out a new D-look. Change up your starters/rotations. Get some set plays to get Kam going. Work on shooting F-ing free throws. Something else - I don't know - you figure it out Shaka - that's why you're getting paid $3 million per year and I'm some schmo on the internet. No matter how you sugar coat it, we went from a team that was in most people's FF conversation, to a team that exited the tourney in its 3rd straight year to a worse seed. So much is there with Shaka and the program, but he needs to figure out how to consistently get it done in February and March - 60% winning pct in those months not so bueno.   

[1SE]

Scoop A+. Love for you all.

[willie warrior]

Give us yours. Mine:

Stewie. B A pretty consistent theme in these grades is going to be inconsistency. At his best, Stevie was a BEDPOY candidate who could knock down an open 3 and finish at the rim. At his worst, he was Derrick Wilson 2.0 who unfortunately will have had the last TV replay of his career being Devon Dent blowing by him down the lane for a lay-up to put NM up 5 with 5 to play, a deficit we'd never get closer than. Maybe the wheels were really out of grease in the second half of the season, a tough end for a guy with a great heart and motor. Would love to see him back on the MU sidelines next year.

Kam. B. B for a 2nd-team All-American you say? Yes, because while most of the guys were inconsistent game to game, Kam was really a tale of two seasons. 1st half - consensus 1st team AA, NPOY dark horse - A+. 2nd half - 3rd team all-BE (C-) - average it to a B. Maybe it is just the scouting report got out about a guy who only goes left and plays below the rim. But that doesn't explain what happened to his shot. I really feel for Kam because had he played to his early-season form he was probably a late 1st round pick putting 7 figures in the bank. Now it's G-league or Europe. Oooff.

Chase B+. Chase had a solid season and is really the only starter who progressed (or at least didn't regress). Our one guy who could consistently play above the rim - he definitely flashed Association potential. But he also went MIA in some games (or game stretches). Maybe this was deferring to the seniors, but he never really emerged as a third-option to be "the guy" on any given night. A trio, rather than a duo, of guys who might go off for 20 on any given night would have changed the look of this team. We're ride-or-die with Chase next year, so let's hope he can become the man.

Jop Wagon B If some of our guys were inconsistent from 1st half to 2nd half of the season, or game to game, Dr. Jopple and Mr. Wagon could do it possession to possession (as we saw in the finale - how can one guy be so good and so bad in the same game?!?!). 8 games with 20+. 13 in single digits. Some improved D, but what were his advanced metrics on the dribble drive? Hard not to groan every time he put it on the floor. 

Benny G C. I think a lot of the Gold Brick criticism is that Shaka has a completely f'ed big strategy. I don't know if he thought BG was going to be Oso 2.0, or that the Freshman were going to be able to shoulder more load, but BG is not a high-major 5. In the end, 37% from behind the arc is more than serviceable for the role he should have been in - a stretch-4 who plays about 20 mpg. Given that he also showed a little from time to time off the bounce, I think if he was in that role it would have been an A- season. But as a 5 he just couldn't cut it - he couldn't consistently get into a two-man game with Kam or Stewie, he couldn't eat O or D glass, he couldn't be more than a passable rim protector (but part of this is Shaka's scheme - will some knower of ball please tell me why our 5 flashes trap in the middle of the court, 35 ft from the basket, on their best ball-handler?). Again, we ride-or die with Good as Gold next year - hopefully in a slightly different role.

THE BENCH

Zaide. A-. The brightest spot on the team this year. Solid D, could hit a 3, had some nice moves at the rim. At almost 16 minutes per game he shared the 6-man role with Royce, but frankly I wouldn't have minded seeing a bit more. I really hope it's him AND Chase on the floor next year rather than him OR Chase.

Royce. C-. He's a freshman, sure. But if you hit 3s at a sub 30% clip and play 15 mpg per game, you probably shouldn't be taking almost 3 of them a game. Another stretch-4 who really shouldn't be in the 5 but also not really at a stretch 4. Not quite sure what his role is next year - don't really want to see him and BG on the floor at the same time. Best thing about freshmen, they become sophomores.

Tre. D. Sorry, this is Derrick Wilson 2.0. I guess the best thing you can say is that he didn't really regress from his Freshman year - 9.1 mpg in both seasons, 18.9 (frosh) vs. 18.8 (soph) 3pg%, 2.0 (frosh) to 1.9 (soph) ppg. But it's hard to see how a point guard that has a career A/TO ratio of 0.5/0.4, and a FT% of 51.4% has any role on a high-major team. That twitter account may have been fake news, but it would probably be best for all involved if Tre departed for different pastures. The best thing about Sophomores is that they're not Freshman, expect when they are.

DO. B-. Some flashes, but really almost more of an Incomplete. Could be a nice backup for Chase/Zaide next year. The potential is still there, but didn't really see enough (despite 9.8 mpg) to get a sense of if it will be realized.

Caedin. C-. Our aircraft carrier in disguise? A few flashes of a a guy that could be a dude down low, but still very very raw - and not a major D or Glass force. Given how raw Caedin was, I do struggle to understand how the 7'1" guy on our bench couldn't have seen 5 mpg this year - a "big" line-up of Clark, Gold, Jop, Chase and Kam at least would have given us a different look when we were going through one of our patented 6-minute FG-less stretches. On most teams, Caedin would need to take some major steps forward to justify a major increase in minutes next year - but given our big situation it seems like he plays a significant role. Again, the best thing about Freshmen is the become Sophmores.

The rest A. Guys who show up every day and put in the work for no NIL, scholarship, or minutes have my complete respect.

Shaka C. At the end of the day, the players play, but the Coach owns the results. And the results were not good but also not terrible - e.g. a C. But you do have to wonder how a guy that had us at #7 in Week 11 ended up heading home with a nary a NCAAT win. Of the T-10 that week, the other 9 teams included all four 1 seeds, two of the 2 seeds, and two of the 3 seeds - all of whom are still playing. Only KU fell as far as we did (so yay?). Yes Shaka can't take 3s for Kam, but as teams started to gel and started to adjust to Kam, it is on the coach make adjustments - that's literally why he is Marquette's highest paid employee by orders of magnitude. Introduce some new/different action. Figure out a new D-look. Change up your starters/rotations. Get some set plays to get Kam going. Work on shooting F-ing free throws. Something else - I don't know - you figure it out Shaka - that's why you're getting paid $3 million per year and I'm some schmo on the internet. No matter how you sugar coat it, we went from a team that was in most people's FF conversation, to a team that exited the tourney in its 3rd straight year to a worse seed. So much is there with Shaka and the program, but he needs to figure out how to consistently get it done in February and March - 60% winning pct in those months not so bueno.   

Team D

[Hards Alumni]

Team D

Freud would like a word with you, little willie.

[BM1090]

Kam B and Chase B+ is crazy work.

Agree that Kam didn't maintain his level all season, but I think it has more to do with lack of other people stepping up than his play. Kam was amazing and is the main reason this team achieved what it did.

[Hards Alumni]

Kam B and Chase B+ is crazy work.

Agree that Kam didn't maintain his level all season, but I think it has more to do with lack of other people stepping up than his play. Kam was amazing and is the main reason this team achieved what it did.

That guys grades are insane.  What did DO show to deserve a B-?  Parham was clearly better/ready and gets a C-?  Absolutely nutty.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I cannot fathom how you could have possibly curved these to get that combination of grades.

[BCHoopster]

If Tre only got a D, how bad are you to get an F?

[Pakuni]

Chase and Zaide better than Kam is an interesting take.

[jfp61]

Kam A+ (would star on any Marquette team)
Stevie A- (could start on any Marquette team)
Chase A- (could start on any Marquette team)
David B (could start on below average Marquette teams)
Ben B (could start on below average Marquette teams)
Royce B (maybe not start, but is also a freshman)
Tre C (Bench rotation)
Zaide C (Bench rotation)
Damarius and Caedin = Bad Freshmen

[Big Papi]

Give us yours. Mine:

Stewie. B A pretty consistent theme in these grades is going to be inconsistency. At his best, Stevie was a BEDPOY candidate who could knock down an open 3 and finish at the rim. At his worst, he was Derrick Wilson 2.0 who unfortunately will have had the last TV replay of his career being Devon Dent blowing by him down the lane for a lay-up to put NM up 5 with 5 to play, a deficit we'd never get closer than. Maybe the wheels were really out of grease in the second half of the season, a tough end for a guy with a great heart and motor. Would love to see him back on the MU sidelines next year.

Kam. B. B for a 2nd-team All-American you say? Yes, because while most of the guys were inconsistent game to game, Kam was really a tale of two seasons. 1st half - consensus 1st team AA, NPOY dark horse - A+. 2nd half - 3rd team all-BE (C-) - average it to a B. Maybe it is just the scouting report got out about a guy who only goes left and plays below the rim. But that doesn't explain what happened to his shot. I really feel for Kam because had he played to his early-season form he was probably a late 1st round pick putting 7 figures in the bank. Now it's G-league or Europe. Oooff.

Chase B+. Chase had a solid season and is really the only starter who progressed (or at least didn't regress). Our one guy who could consistently play above the rim - he definitely flashed Association potential. But he also went MIA in some games (or game stretches). Maybe this was deferring to the seniors, but he never really emerged as a third-option to be "the guy" on any given night. A trio, rather than a duo, of guys who might go off for 20 on any given night would have changed the look of this team. We're ride-or-die with Chase next year, so let's hope he can become the man.

Jop Wagon B If some of our guys were inconsistent from 1st half to 2nd half of the season, or game to game, Dr. Jopple and Mr. Wagon could do it possession to possession (as we saw in the finale - how can one guy be so good and so bad in the same game?!?!). 8 games with 20+. 13 in single digits. Some improved D, but what were his advanced metrics on the dribble drive? Hard not to groan every time he put it on the floor. 

Benny G C. I think a lot of the Gold Brick criticism is that Shaka has a completely f'ed big strategy. I don't know if he thought BG was going to be Oso 2.0, or that the Freshman were going to be able to shoulder more load, but BG is not a high-major 5. In the end, 37% from behind the arc is more than serviceable for the role he should have been in - a stretch-4 who plays about 20 mpg. Given that he also showed a little from time to time off the bounce, I think if he was in that role it would have been an A- season. But as a 5 he just couldn't cut it - he couldn't consistently get into a two-man game with Kam or Stewie, he couldn't eat O or D glass, he couldn't be more than a passable rim protector (but part of this is Shaka's scheme - will some knower of ball please tell me why our 5 flashes trap in the middle of the court, 35 ft from the basket, on their best ball-handler?). Again, we ride-or die with Good as Gold next year - hopefully in a slightly different role.

THE BENCH

Zaide. A-. The brightest spot on the team this year. Solid D, could hit a 3, had some nice moves at the rim. At almost 16 minutes per game he shared the 6-man role with Royce, but frankly I wouldn't have minded seeing a bit more. I really hope it's him AND Chase on the floor next year rather than him OR Chase.

Royce. C-. He's a freshman, sure. But if you hit 3s at a sub 30% clip and play 15 mpg per game, you probably shouldn't be taking almost 3 of them a game. Another stretch-4 who really shouldn't be in the 5 but also not really at a stretch 4. Not quite sure what his role is next year - don't really want to see him and BG on the floor at the same time. Best thing about freshmen, they become sophomores.

Tre. D. Sorry, this is Derrick Wilson 2.0. I guess the best thing you can say is that he didn't really regress from his Freshman year - 9.1 mpg in both seasons, 18.9 (frosh) vs. 18.8 (soph) 3pg%, 2.0 (frosh) to 1.9 (soph) ppg. But it's hard to see how a point guard that has a career A/TO ratio of 0.5/0.4, and a FT% of 51.4% has any role on a high-major team. That twitter account may have been fake news, but it would probably be best for all involved if Tre departed for different pastures. The best thing about Sophomores is that they're not Freshman, expect when they are.

DO. B-. Some flashes, but really almost more of an Incomplete. Could be a nice backup for Chase/Zaide next year. The potential is still there, but didn't really see enough (despite 9.8 mpg) to get a sense of if it will be realized.

Caedin. C-. Our aircraft carrier in disguise? A few flashes of a a guy that could be a dude down low, but still very very raw - and not a major D or Glass force. Given how raw Caedin was, I do struggle to understand how the 7'1" guy on our bench couldn't have seen 5 mpg this year - a "big" line-up of Clark, Gold, Jop, Chase and Kam at least would have given us a different look when we were going through one of our patented 6-minute FG-less stretches. On most teams, Caedin would need to take some major steps forward to justify a major increase in minutes next year - but given our big situation it seems like he plays a significant role. Again, the best thing about Freshmen is the become Sophmores.

The rest A. Guys who show up every day and put in the work for no NIL, scholarship, or minutes have my complete respect.

Shaka C. At the end of the day, the players play, but the Coach owns the results. And the results were not good but also not terrible - e.g. a C. But you do have to wonder how a guy that had us at #7 in Week 11 ended up heading home with a nary a NCAAT win. Of the T-10 that week, the other 9 teams included all four 1 seeds, two of the 2 seeds, and two of the 3 seeds - all of whom are still playing. Only KU fell as far as we did (so yay?). Yes Shaka can't take 3s for Kam, but as teams started to gel and started to adjust to Kam, it is on the coach make adjustments - that's literally why he is Marquette's highest paid employee by orders of magnitude. Introduce some new/different action. Figure out a new D-look. Change up your starters/rotations. Get some set plays to get Kam going. Work on shooting F-ing free throws. Something else - I don't know - you figure it out Shaka - that's why you're getting paid $3 million per year and I'm some schmo on the internet. No matter how you sugar coat it, we went from a team that was in most people's FF conversation, to a team that exited the tourney in its 3rd straight year to a worse seed. So much is there with Shaka and the program, but he needs to figure out how to consistently get it done in February and March - 60% winning pct in those months not so bueno.   

Grade should be higher. 

Kam.  B+   Teams schemed to take him away.  Was a great facilitator.  3-point shooting was down but I feel that is more on Shaka than Kam.

Royce. C+  Expected little to nothing from him.  He was a pleasant surprise.  Shot the ball way too much but hit some big-time shots in games.  Defense slowly improved. 

Grade should be lower.

Ross. C+  Needed more out of him.  Was invisible too many games this year.  Hopefully he becomes more consistent.  For MU success next year, he needs to step up big time or it will be a long year.

Zaide. C+  Solid off the bench.  As the season went on, he earned more minutes.  Above average defense.  Didn't provide enough offensively to make impact on that side of the ball.  Besides Ross, this is the next most important player next year.  Has huge potential to elevate his game.  Needs to do it for us to be successful next year.

DO. D  Lots of hype but missed time early.  Hit some nice 3-point shots in game 1 or 2 of his season after injury and it looked so promising and then did little to nothing the rest of the way.  Looked lost way too much but oozes potential.  Has the chance to make the biggest jump in contribution from this year to next.  Will he realize his potential.

Caedin D  Lots of hype as well but the game was way too fast for him.  Looks like a low ceiling guy but has potential to provide 20 minutes of action when he is a Junior/Senior.  Can provide the banger down low that every team needs and that this year's team did not have.

[Johnny B]

If Tre only got a D, how bad are you to get an F?
[/quote]
Id honestly give Hamilton an F. he's one of the most obvious "not a big east level player" scholly guys we've ever had. no hops no athleticism no defense no rebounding no shot no moves just nothing. Tre gets a D and not sure he has any business returning either. laughable parham is a C and Owen's is a b. Owen's potential is crazy but he's raw and did pretty much nothing all year like what the hell clearly parham was better

[Johnny B]

Kam A+ (would star on any Marquette team)
Stevie A- (could start on any Marquette team)
Chase A- (could start on any Marquette team)
David B (could start on below average Marquette teams)
Ben B (could start on below average Marquette teams)
Royce B (maybe not start, but is also a freshman)
Tre C (Bench rotation)
Zaide C (Bench rotation)
Damarius and Caedin = Bad Freshmen

David started on our 2 seed squad last year what u mean can start on below average Marquette teams

[BM1090]

Kam A+ (would star on any Marquette team)
Stevie A- (could start on any Marquette team)
Chase A- (could start on any Marquette team)
David B (could start on below average Marquette teams)
Ben B (could start on below average Marquette teams)
Royce B (maybe not start, but is also a freshman)
Tre C (Bench rotation)
Zaide C (Bench rotation)
Damarius and Caedin = Bad Freshmen

I'll be honest, I don't understand your love for Chase and "hate" for Zaide. I thought they were pretty much equals the last ten games, with playing time being the only thing that separated them. I don't think it could be clearer that Zaide is gonna be a dude next year. Game
Slowed for him. Confidence is high on both ends.

[Pakuni]

Kam A+ (would star on any Marquette team)
Stevie A- (could start on any Marquette team)
Chase A- (could start on any Marquette team)
David B (could start on below average Marquette teams)
Ben B (could start on below average Marquette teams)
Royce B (maybe not start, but is also a freshman)
Tre C (Bench rotation)
Zaide C (Bench rotation)
Damarius and Caedin = Bad Freshmen

Who does Stevie start ahead of on the 2003 or 2012 teams?

Edit: And which of the Amigos does he start ahead of? Stevie putting Jerel or Wes on the bench?

[HutchwasClutch]

David started on our 2 seed squad last year what u mean can start on below average Marquette teams

Things just keep getting more asinine today.  Tre can shoot it well, just not in games. Yeah, Shaka has underperformed in the tournament, so did Buzz. Joplin's ceiling was starter on a lousy MU team of the past. 

Let's just change the board's name to MUGaslighting.

[HutchwasClutch]

Who does Stevie start ahead of on the 2003 or 2012 teams?

He doesn't.  Gaslighting continues. 

[CountryRoads]

Kam A: 2nd Team AA.
Stevie A: Played through pain. Warrior
Jop A: March matters. Jop came through
Ross B: solid season given his ability
Gold B: solid season given his ability
Parham B: promising young guy
Lowery B: promising rising junior
Owens C: enough reason for be optimistic
Tre D: needs to go down a level
Hamilton D: needs to go down a level

Shaka C

[jfp61]

Who does Stevie start ahead of on the 2003 or 2012 teams?

Edit: And which of the Amigos does he start ahead of? Stevie putting Jerel or Wes on the bench?

I said could...

Three amigos not withstanding alot of those teams could start a stevie.

Going back to 2011-12 that Blue/mayo spot could be a chase/stevie. They would split time. It wouldn't be 30 minutes per game. But their would be games where they play 25+ when a mayo or blue isn't playing well.

[Pakuni]

I said could...

Three amigos not withstanding alot of those teams could start a stevie.

Going back to 2011-12 that Blue/mayo spot could be a chase/stevie. They would split time. It wouldn't be 30 minutes per game. But their would be games where they play 25+ when a mayo or blue isn't playing well.

2011-12 backcourt was Blue, DJO and Cadougan. Mayo came off the bench. Stevie doesn't start ahead of Blue or DJO, and I don't think you want him running point, do you?

[jfp61]

I'll be honest, I don't understand your love for Chase and "hate" for Zaide. I thought they were pretty much equals the last ten games, with playing time being the only thing that separated them. I don't think it could be clearer that Zaide is gonna be a dude next year. Game
Slowed for him. Confidence is high on both ends.

Because Chase is good and plays well in games we win. And Zaide doesn't.

Chase is the second best defender on our team. Zaide was only better than the bad freshmen on defense.

Chase has the usage rate of 17.7% protional to a contributor in most lineups. Zaide is at 11-12% like a Matt Heldt.

Chase can actually make decisions in a pick and roll. Zaide can't.

Chase can create in a pinch. Zaide can't.

Zaide finished the year with 19 less points of +/- than Tre Norman. He is a rotation player.

[jfp61]

2011-12 backcourt was Blue, DJO and Cadougan. Mayo came off the bench. Stevie doesn't start ahead of Blue or DJO, and I don't think you want him running point, do you?

First I said Could start. Not would start.

But, Blue is easily replaceable with Stevie and team hardly changes for this year.
Blue shot is miserably until he was a junior.

Blue always played well when it mattered most. But there are some rose colored glasses on what he was over the course of his first 2 seasons.

[jutaw22mu]

None of these guys start over anyone from the 2003 team. 

I think the season ended about how I imagined it would in August.  The team had a great start in the first half of the season that caught me off guard because of cohesion from the previous year.  Sean not rejoining this team in January hurt since it would have given another dimension to the team.

I feel like the team needed the ball in Chase's hands much more than it was.  Kam needed a releas valve and Chase should have been running off him.  Instead the ball found its way to Joe too much, who  is great if he is lined up for a shot, but really shouldn't put it on the deck unless he has a clear path.

[jutaw22mu]

Kam A: 2nd Team AA.
Stevie A: Played through pain. Warrior
Jop A: March matters. Jop came through
Ross B: solid season given his ability
Gold B: solid season given his ability
Parham B: promising young guy
Lowery B: promising rising junior
Owens C: enough reason for be optimistic
Tre D: needs to go down a level
Hamilton D: needs to go down a level

Shaka C

Agree with this assessment.

[jfp61]

None of these guys start over anyone from the 2003 team. 

I think the season ended about how I imagined it would in August.  The team had a great start in the first half of the season that caught me off guard because of cohesion from the previous year.  Sean not rejoining this team in January hurt since it would have given another dimension to the team.

I feel like the team needed the ball in Chase's hands much more than it was.  Kam needed a releas valve and Chase should have been running off him.  Instead the ball found its way to Joe too much, who  is great if he is lined up for a shot, but really shouldn't put it on the deck unless he has a clear path.

I mean, if hindsight is allowed..... Kam would start 100% in 2003. And we would invent small ball and bomb teams out from 3.

But when i used the their level of startability, it was just as a way to grade the guys and add context.