2025 NCAA Tourney Thread

[The Sultan]

My hot take is that I saw Dean Smith used the four corners to kill his own team's momentum more often than it helped.

[Bahama]

My GF is a Bryant Alum, hoping for them to pull of an upset over MSU and we hold strong against the Lobos for the ultimate house divided matchup.

[Dish]

Looking over some ShotQuality data, and interesting to see their last 30 day numbers. The regression monster is coming for Colorado State, St. John's, North Carolina, and especially Michigan State.

[Carl]

Looking over some ShotQuality data, and interesting to see their last 30 day numbers. The regression monster is coming for Colorado State, St. John's, North Carolina, and especially Michigan State.

Care to elaborate?

[JakeBarnes]

Looking over some ShotQuality data, and interesting to see their last 30 day numbers. The regression monster is coming for Colorado State, St. John's, North Carolina, and especially Michigan State.

Interesting. I always feels shot quality never feels like it matters against marquette (see, Conwell of X). But would love to see a regression from MSU against us (or even against Bryant...)

[WhiteTrash]

My hot take is that I saw Dean Smith used the four corners to kill his own team's momentum more often than it helped.

Billy Packer is rolling over in his grave.

[MUbiz]

Interesting. I always feels shot quality never feels like it matters against marquette (see, Conwell of X). But would love to see a regression from MSU against us (or even against Bryant...)

Marquette won the shot quality battle for many of our losses: @CU, @SJU and home vs UConn and St Johns (just to name some) and didn't win a single game. I do not put much stock into shot quality - all that tells me is MU is getting open shots and isn't  converting them at a high percentage. Which is easy to see and I do need shot quality to tell me that.

http://x.com/ShotQualityBets/status/1888437927409246683

https://x.com/ShotQualityBets/status/1898769380990984526

[tower912]

I loathed the 4 corners more than just about any other sports hack.  More than exaggerated shifts in baseball.  More than running out 5 relievers in 5 innings.  More than the brotherly shove.  More than the QB protecting joke rules in the NFL.  More than the non-stop 3s and Euro-steps in the NBA.

[#UnleashSean]

Marquette won the shot quality battle for many of our losses: @CU, @SJU and home vs UConn and St Johns (just to name some) and didn't win a single game. I do not put much stock into shot quality - all that tells me is MU is getting open shots and isn't  converting them at a high percentage. Which is easy to see and I do need shot quality to tell me that.

http://x.com/ShotQualityBets/status/1888437927409246683

https://x.com/ShotQualityBets/status/1898769380990984526

Marquette always gets good looks. Their problem is making them. Tuff

[The Sultan]

Marquette won the shot quality battle for many of our losses: @CU, @SJU and home vs UConn and St Johns (just to name some) and didn't win a single game. I do not put much stock into shot quality - all that tells me is MU is getting open shots and isn't  converting them at a high percentage. Which is easy to see and I do need shot quality to tell me that.

Correct. Which I have said the problem this year isn't a offensive system issue. It's a players not executing issue.

[#UnleashSean]

I loathed the 4 corners more than just about any other sports hack.  More than exaggerated shifts in baseball.  More than running out 5 relievers in 5 innings.  More than the brotherly shove.  More than the QB protecting joke rules in the NFL.  More than the non-stop 3s and Euro-steps in the NBA.

and yet the WIAA refuses to enter a shotclock. Guess what state four corners is still active in? Absolute nonsense.

[tower912]

Michigan does not have a shotclock in high school, either.

[The Sultan]

and yet the WIAA refuses to enter a shotclock. Guess what state four corners is still active in? Absolute nonsense.

Back when I was coaching middle school travel ball, we had an opponent protect a five point lead by going into a four corners with about 8 minutes left in the game. I mean come on...

[tower912]

I coached with a guy who made a version up on the fly with our 5th grade team.  We won the game, but he and I did not coach together after that season.

[#UnleashSean]

Back when I was coaching middle school travel ball, we had an opponent protect a five point lead by going into a four corners with about 8 minutes left in the game. I mean come on...

Still happens. I run an entire 4th-8th grade feeder program for a highschool in southeast Wisconsin. We would have games in the WYBL. Coaches who ran zones did their kids no favors when they got older. They were the same ones to deploy a 4 corner strategy in 5th grade.

[MU82]

Back when I was coaching middle school travel ball, we had an opponent protect a five point lead by going into a four corners with about 8 minutes left in the game. I mean come on...

I hate that, but I admit it's kinda ballsy. I have coached at that level for 9 years, and I'm not sure I've seen a team (either mine or an opponent) I would trust to control the basketball that long without coughing it up many times.

I coached with a guy who made a version up on the fly with our 5th grade team.  We won the game, but he and I did not coach together after that season.

Jeesh! It's hard enough to get 7th-graders to be patient on offense for even 20 seconds, let alone 5th-graders for an extended stretch.

The HS team I assistant-coached had several good ballhandlers and we could do a dribble-weave to play keep-away for a minute or maybe two. But our coach (who is excellent) never ran it for longer than that.

[tower912]

I hate that, but I admit it's kinda ballsy. I have coached at that level for 9 years, and I'm not sure I've seen a team (either mine or an opponent) I would trust to control the basketball that long without coughing it up many times.

Jeesh! It's hard enough to get 7th-graders to be patient on offense for even 20 seconds, let alone 5th-graders for an extended stretch.

The HS team I assistant-coached had several good ballhandlers and we could do a dribble-weave to play keep-away for a minute or maybe two. But our coach (who is excellent) never ran it for longer than that.

We had a 4-5 point lead with 4 minutes left.  Two guys we could trust to catch and dribble the ball.  The best stood out top and dribbled.  We sent a third guy out to set a screen when their defense extended to far.  The ballhandler would use the screen, get space, pass to the second ballhandler, run up, get the hand-off, and circle back.

Actually went well for making it up on the spot.  Enraged the opposing coach and parents.

[StillAWarrior]

NCAA bracket based upon which school has an Arby's closer to campus. Let's go Zips!

[wadesworld]

NCAA bracket based upon which school has an Arby's closer to campus. Let's go Zips!

So a Scooper runs that account.

[StillAWarrior]

I'd imagine the Selection Committee is going to be rooting pretty hard for the Tar Heels tonight. I hope the Aztecs beat them by 20. All hell may break loose if UNC gets a favorable whistle.

[MuggsyB]

Focus Alabama St. 

[Uncle Rico]

Pulling for St. Francis.  Look like they have a lot of gym rats on the team

[MuggsyB]

Pulling for St. Francis.  Look like they have a lot of gym rats on the team

Both teams have a lot of grit. 

[MuggsyB]

Wow!  Just wow!

[The Sultan]

Man the best game of the tournament may have been the first.