Student Id's to get into Gtwon game

[cheebs09]

i just received an e-mail saying that you need to have a marquette id to get into the student section for the game on saturday, however i have two friends coming to visit and bought them tickets over a week ago. Do they enforce that strongly or is there a way that they can get in without it, or should i contact someone in the ticket office? Thanks for any help.

[Knights04]

From past experience, they have only checked IDs on people who are not wearing marquette apparel.  The only time I have seen them check was when a kid was wearing a badger shirt, and they moved some notre dame kids up to the upper deck this year.  So as long as your friends are wearing MU stuff they should be ok.  At least I hope so because I am in the same boat as you.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

What is the purpose of this? If people have tickets...what difference does it make where they go to school?

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What is the purpose of this? If people have tickets...what difference does it make where they go to school?

The purpose is to keep other fans out of the Marquette Student Section. A speck of green and/or red can then be moved to the way upper deck. It's a great idea.

[MUfan2]

What is the purpose of this? If people have tickets...what difference does it make where they go to school?

Does it really need to spelled out for you? The purpose is to keep other fans out of the Marquette Student Section. A speck of green and/or red can then be moved to the way upper deck. It's a great idea.

It does need to be spelled out for PRN, he's not too bright.

[reinko]

Hey PTM,
Been a little ass-clowny as of late with your fellow MU Scoopers...

chill out

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nt

[reinko]

GO MARQUETTE!   

[reinko]

GO MARQUETTE..again

(just correcting a potential thread mis-direction)

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WHooooo! Marquette!

[jaybilaswho?]

If you go on the ticketmaster website, which is how students get there tickets, there is a section that states what happens when you forward one of your tickets to someone. Once you have forwarded it, you dont have that ticket. the ticket belongs to who you sent it to, MU student/alum or not. because of this, they shouldnt be restricting anyone access to the student area that has a ticket.

as for them keeping non marquette fans out of the student section i dont think that is why they do it. If you wanted/got a student ticket, its because you are a fan and it shouldnt matter.

i dont remember what they did last year (if memory serves correct, i think they did this at some point).

[chapman]

As long as they don't make everyone show an ID, because I also have two friends coming in.  They're bigger MU basketball fans than most students that go to school here are.  Of course, knowing the BC security you can't be sure of anything; we might have to borrow some MU IDs from those not going to be safer.  

I understand the whole thing about keeping Marquette fans in the student section, but do they really expect an invasion from Georgetown fans?  Plus, I don't see anything on the student tickets say they have to be used by students, and the Fanatic Account even says "Forward tickets to friends, family, or clients".  You would think that showing your student section ticket would be all that's required to get someone in the student section, because nothing says a non-student can't use a student section ticket (in fact it seems to say the opposite).  I understand keeping those who have nosebleed tickets from getting to the lower level of the student section or causing trouble in the student section, but checking tickets solves that, not student IDs.

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I can honestly say that for Wisconsin and Notre Dame, those in red/green were asked for MUIDs. When they couldn't produce them they were booted to the upper deck.

Bilas, you bring up a good point about the Ticketmaster service. It's likely the AD has come up with a way to negate everything that is said on there. I don't think they have the ability to have different printing/forwarding regulations when it comes to the difference between actual seats and the student section.

[NavinRJohnson]

If you go on the ticketmaster website, which is how students get there tickets, there is a section that states what happens when you forward one of your tickets to someone. Once you have forwarded it, you dont have that ticket. the ticket belongs to who you sent it to, MU student/alum or not. because of this, they shouldnt be restricting anyone access to the student area that has a ticket.

I'd be interested to see exactly what it says in its entirety. Student tickets are specially priced for students and only available for sale to students. For that reason, they should not be allowed to sell them or give them to non-students. I am willing to bet something to that effect is made clear at the time of purchase. MU is not making those seats available to students for peanuts, so that the students have the ability to turn around and sell them for a profit, or purchase them on someone else's behalf.  For most Big East games, they would have no problem selling all of the lower level seats for $30 a crack. Getting those discounted seats is a privilege, and thus comes with conditions.

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If you go on the ticketmaster website, which is how students get there tickets, there is a section that states what happens when you forward one of your tickets to someone. Once you have forwarded it, you dont have that ticket. the ticket belongs to who you sent it to, MU student/alum or not. because of this, they shouldnt be restricting anyone access to the student area that has a ticket.

I'd be interested to see exactly what it says in its entirety. Student tickets are specially priced for students and only available for sale to students. For that reason, they should not be allowed to sell them or give them to non-students. I am willing to bet something to that effect is made clear at the time of purchase. MU is not making those seats available to students for peanuts, so that the students have the ability to turn around and sell them for a profit, or purchase them on someone else's behalf.  For most Big East games, they would have no problem selling all of the lower level seats for $30 a crack. Getting those discounted seats is a privilege, and thus comes with conditions.

Agreed, I think you 100% correct. They are discounted for students and should stay in the hands of students. If you ask me, the forwarding option should be taken away for student tickets, I just don't think Ticketmaster's system is setup for that.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Who cares if there's somebody in the MU student section with a Georgetown tshirt?

[robmufan]

Agreed, most the time if you can forward your ticket to someone, then you can give it to them.  Most people forward their tickets over break because they are lazy and don't print them off early.

[MUfan2]

As long as they don't make everyone show an ID, because I also have two friends coming in.  They're bigger MU basketball fans than most students that go to school here are.  Of course, knowing the BC security you can't be sure of anything; we might have to borrow some MU IDs from those not going to be safer.  

I understand the whole thing about keeping Marquette fans in the student section, but do they really expect an invasion from Georgetown fans?  Plus, I don't see anything on the student tickets say they have to be used by students, and the Fanatic Account even says "Forward tickets to friends, family, or clients".  You would think that showing your student section ticket would be all that's required to get someone in the student section, because nothing says a non-student can't use a student section ticket (in fact it seems to say the opposite).  I understand keeping those who have nosebleed tickets from getting to the lower level of the student section or causing trouble in the student section, but checking tickets solves that, not student IDs.

If I were in your shoes, here is what I'd do just to be safe:
1.  Borrow some ID's of friends that aren't going to the game.  
2.  If all of your friends are going, go get a new ID from the Union.  I think it's $5.  Give them your old ID to use and then passback.  

[mug644]

Might checking id's to get into the student section have something to do with security? That is, the BC and MU both have an interest in trying to prevent any choas, fights or the like that can easily happen when students of opposing schools are together. Still, there should be some recourse for someone who has given tickets to another person, presumably an MU fan, who might not be a student.

[reinko]

just hold on to your Marquette ID card after you graduate.  I still have mine, and get discounts at the movies, minor league baseball games, and now it looks like I can get access to the MU student section...

or if you think you can pass for Gold N Eagle, try out this fake...

[chapman]

Might checking id's to get into the student section have something to do with security? That is, the BC and MU both have an interest in trying to prevent any choas, fights or the like that can easily happen when students of opposing schools are together. Still, there should be some recourse for someone who has given tickets to another person, presumably an MU fan, who might not be a student.

Very likely.  But pretty soon, security in the student section will outnumber the students.  Including those at the gates outside each section, I counted at least 20 security people in the lower level of the student section last game. 

[TallTitan34]

You could try this one?

[IAmMarquette]

You could try this one?

3rd one? That's worth nothing. I want the original!

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Who cares if there's somebody in the MU student section with a Georgetown tshirt?

Because Tom Crean tells us to wear gold, and we are mindless drones.

[muhoosier260]

Didn't you guys know the Georgetown student body was planning on traveling the 800 miles to invade Milwaukee?!?!?!

now that we all know diener's MU i.d. #, let's hold his transcript hostage so we can blackmail him! that will make the top 10 on SC

[cheebs09]

Thanks for all the help, here is the email I got from somebody involved. Looks like as long as your not dressed in Georgetown or causing problems its fine.

All-

 

Thank you for contacting me regarding student IDs at the Georgetown game.

 

Because of the high demand for seats in the student section, we ask that students be prepared to show an MU ID to a Bradley Center staff member. With that said, there will not be a checkpoint at which people need to present an ID. We just want to give everyone the heads up that Bradley Center staff, if they feel it is necessary, can ask people for their ID and can remove someone from their seats or deny them entry into the student section.

 

This is the same policy that has been in effect for all games this season. We just want to remind students given the increased possibility of excess demand for student section seating.

 

Please let me know if you have further questions.

 

Go Marquette!

 

Brian Bowsher

Marketing Assistant

Marquette University

Department of Athletics

o: 414-288-3040

f: 414-288-5885

brian.bowsher@marquette.edu

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Now it makes sense, the student section was oversold. Any complications could then be addressed by asking for IDs.

[NavinRJohnson]

Translation:

Ticket demand for this game is extremely high, if you are planning to sell your heavily discounted tickets in an attempt to make some money, make sure you sell them to someone who looks like a student, or they may end up pretty pissed at you when they get turned away. We aren't running a charity here.

[jaybilaswho?]

If you go on the ticketmaster website, which is how students get there tickets, there is a section that states what happens when you forward one of your tickets to someone. Once you have forwarded it, you dont have that ticket. the ticket belongs to who you sent it to, MU student/alum or not. because of this, they shouldnt be restricting anyone access to the student area that has a ticket.

I'd be interested to see exactly what it says in its entirety. Student tickets are specially priced for students and only available for sale to students. For that reason, they should not be allowed to sell them or give them to non-students. I am willing to bet something to that effect is made clear at the time of purchase. MU is not making those seats available to students for peanuts, so that the students have the ability to turn around and sell them for a profit, or purchase them on someone else's behalf.  For most Big East games, they would have no problem selling all of the lower level seats for $30 a crack. Getting those discounted seats is a privilege, and thus comes with conditions.

Agreed, I think you 100% correct. They are discounted for students and should stay in the hands of students. If you ask me, the forwarding option should be taken away for student tickets, I just don't think Ticketmaster's system is setup for that.

What is ticket forwarding?
Now, Marquette University Season Ticket Holders can e-mail their tickets to friends, family, clients, or anyone else. Once the recipient receives his or her tickets by e-mail, the recipient can print his or her ticketFast®-generated tickets from any standard printer. (Note: Once a ticket has been forwarded, the original season ticket will no longer be valid.)

 What if the recipient cannot attend the event?If you forwarded a ticket with our service, your original season ticket is no longer valid. At this point, the ticket is in electronic form and the recipient can return it to you via e-mail.

Why are some tickets not available for forwarding?
There are several reasons why some tickets are not available for forwarding:

The event has passed or is less than 4 hours away.
Only barcoded tickets can be forwarded.
The ticket(s) have not been paid for.
Tickets are not available for forwarding due to certain team restrictions. - THEY COULD JUST PLACE A RESTRICTION ON THE TICKETS-
Tickets are for playoff games that are not guaranteed to be played.

There is nothing mentioned about restrictions on whom you send the ticket (actually there is one: the person has to have adobe acrobat 4.0 to recieve and print). It does not cost anything to forward your ticket. If a student wants to sell his student seat, that costs like what? $2/game, to someone for $10, $15, $50 why shouldnt they be able to. Capitalism my friends.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Who cares if there's somebody in the MU student section with a Georgetown tshirt?

The problem is, at least in some people's eyes, that the students sometimes scalp their tickets for beer money or whatever and suddenly you have a boatload of another school's fans there which is a problem when you're trying to sell your program to perspective recruits, etc.

Perception means a lot.

[NavinRJohnson]

There is nothing mentioned about restrictions on whom you send the ticket (actually there is one: the person has to have adobe acrobat 4.0 to recieve and print). It does not cost anything to forward your ticket. If a student wants to sell his student seat, that costs like what? $2/game, to someone for $10, $15, $50 why shouldnt they be able to. Capitalism my friends.

First of all, they use a 3rd part service to handle the forwarding. I am reasonably sure they are bound by the restrictions/capabilities of that service. They address that by checking ID's. That's really not the point though.

I'm all for capitalism, but I am not for students getting heavily discounted tickets based on the mere fact that they are students, and then having the ability to turn around and sell them at street value, at the expense of MU. Any student is free to go buy a full season at $30 or more per seat, per game and turn around and sell them for whatever they want. The difference is, not anyone is able to buy student section tickets. Capitalism assumes a free market and equal opportunities. In this case, students are a special class with opportunities and privileges not afforded anyone else. Privileges afforded hem by MU, who places restrictions on the students (not allowed to sell them to non-students) that they can choose to accept (buy the tickets), or decline.

I don't care what the forwarding service says you can or cannot do. That is completely irrelevant. I can assure you that at the time students buy tickets, they are agreeing to something to the effect of those tickets intended for MU students only, and are not to be re-sold to non-students, etc. Something MU has every right to do.

[jaybilaswho?]

There is nothing mentioned about restrictions on whom you send the ticket (actually there is one: the person has to have adobe acrobat 4.0 to recieve and print). It does not cost anything to forward your ticket. If a student wants to sell his student seat, that costs like what? $2/game, to someone for $10, $15, $50 why shouldnt they be able to. Capitalism my friends.

First of all, they use a 3rd part service to handle the forwarding. I am reasonably sure they are bound by the restrictions/capabilities of that service. They address that by checking ID's. That's really not the point though.

I'm all for capitalism, but I am not for students getting heavily discounted tickets based on the mere fact that they are students, and then having the ability to turn around and sell them at street value, at the expense of MU. Any student is free to go buy a full season at $30 or more per seat, per game and turn around and sell them for whatever they want. The difference is, not anyone is able to buy student section tickets. Capitalism assumes a free market and equal opportunities. In this case, students are a special class with opportunities and privileges not afforded anyone else. Privileges afforded hem by MU, who places restrictions on the students (not allowed to sell them to non-students) that they can choose to accept (buy the tickets), or decline.

I don't care what the forwarding service says you can or cannot do. That is completely irrelevant. I can assure you that at the time students buy tickets, they are agreeing to something to the effect of those tickets intended for MU students only, and are not to be re-sold to non-students, etc. Something MU has every right to do.

SHOW ME the terms and conditions that state that student is agreeing to use the tickets for only themselves and marquette students. If you can show me this, your point is made. Until then, you cannot harp that students seats, while only allowed to be BOUGHT by students, shouldnt be given to any non MU party simply on the grounds that the ideal situtation would be all mu students in the student section... wearing gold. Do you have student seats? I do... I am an under 1 year Alum. I got them from a friend who is law school and does go to the games. Are we criminals for doing that? What about the PARENTS that I have seen in the student section. From your arguement, they shouldnt be in there. I don't think your that crass to deny the people who are paying for their child to attend the school seats in that section.


Besides, the tickets are almost never forwarded with a cash transaction. I never charged friends, acquantances- anyone, for my student section ticket if I wasn't going to the game.

[ChicosBailBonds]

There is nothing mentioned about restrictions on whom you send the ticket (actually there is one: the person has to have adobe acrobat 4.0 to recieve and print). It does not cost anything to forward your ticket. If a student wants to sell his student seat, that costs like what? $2/game, to someone for $10, $15, $50 why shouldnt they be able to. Capitalism my friends.

First of all, they use a 3rd part service to handle the forwarding. I am reasonably sure they are bound by the restrictions/capabilities of that service. They address that by checking ID's. That's really not the point though.

I'm all for capitalism, but I am not for students getting heavily discounted tickets based on the mere fact that they are students, and then having the ability to turn around and sell them at street value, at the expense of MU. Any student is free to go buy a full season at $30 or more per seat, per game and turn around and sell them for whatever they want. The difference is, not anyone is able to buy student section tickets. Capitalism assumes a free market and equal opportunities. In this case, students are a special class with opportunities and privileges not afforded anyone else. Privileges afforded hem by MU, who places restrictions on the students (not allowed to sell them to non-students) that they can choose to accept (buy the tickets), or decline.

I don't care what the forwarding service says you can or cannot do. That is completely irrelevant. I can assure you that at the time students buy tickets, they are agreeing to something to the effect of those tickets intended for MU students only, and are not to be re-sold to non-students, etc. Something MU has every right to do.

SHOW ME the terms and conditions that state that student is agreeing to use the tickets for only themselves and marquette students. If you can show me this, your point is made. Until then, you cannot harp that students seats, while only allowed to be BOUGHT by students, shouldnt be given to any non MU party simply on the grounds that the ideal situtation would be all mu students in the student section... wearing gold. Do you have student seats? I do... I am an under 1 year Alum. I got them from a friend who is law school and does go to the games. Are we criminals for doing that? What about the PARENTS that I have seen in the student section. From your arguement, they shouldnt be in there. I don't think your that crass to deny the people who are paying for their child to attend the school seats in that section.


Besides, the tickets are almost never forwarded with a cash transaction. I never charged friends, acquantances- anyone, for my student section ticket if I wasn't going to the game.

I don't know if it still exists, but it did back in my day.  You have to realize the tickets the students are getting are PRIME tickets that could be sold to the general public and a much higher rate then what the students by them for.  So if students are going to start making this a cottage industry, the university will just shut off the amount of tickets the students can get access to.

There used to be something when you picked up your tickets, a form, that said these tickets would be used by you, yada yada yad.  Not sure if they still do that.

Our new AD and legal juggernaut could probably answer this better.   

[NavinRJohnson]

SHOW ME the terms and conditions that state that student is agreeing to use the tickets for only themselves and marquette students. If you can show me this, your point is made. Until then, you cannot harp that students seats, while only allowed to be BOUGHT by students, shouldnt be given to any non MU party simply on the grounds that the ideal situtation would be all mu students in the student section... wearing gold. Do you have student seats? I do... I am an under 1 year Alum. I got them from a friend who is law school and does go to the games. Are we criminals for doing that? What about the PARENTS that I have seen in the student section. From your arguement, they shouldnt be in there. I don't think your that crass to deny the people who are paying for their child to attend the school seats in that section.

I thought you were a capitalist? Your attitude sounds more like that of a Socialist if you ask me. You seem to feel you or those parents you reference are somehow entitled to those seats and entitled to do whatever you want with them because why - you have access to them? Because you don't want to pay full fare? You don't want to sit in the upper deck? The purpose of the basketball team is to make money for the University - both directly and indirectly. They essentially give those seats away to students, because they are students, and yes because they want to fill the sections with students - not so students can pocket the money that would otherwise go to MU, or give them away to non-students without access to them. How many of the people who buy seasons in the upper deck do you think would like to get their hands on those lower levels? Plenty, but too bad. Those seats should go to the students and they should be dirt cheap. But the price of essentially free seats is that you are not allowed to do anything you want with them. I can't understand why you see something wrong with that.

Show me the forms, website, or whatever vehicle is used to purchase/deliver student tickets, and I will show you those terms and conditions, because I assure you they're there. Whether it is in legalese, or simply says MU student ID will be required - its there in some form.

[jaybilaswho?]

SHOW ME the terms and conditions that state that student is agreeing to use the tickets for only themselves and marquette students. If you can show me this, your point is made. Until then, you cannot harp that students seats, while only allowed to be BOUGHT by students, shouldnt be given to any non MU party simply on the grounds that the ideal situtation would be all mu students in the student section... wearing gold. Do you have student seats? I do... I am an under 1 year Alum. I got them from a friend who is law school and does go to the games. Are we criminals for doing that? What about the PARENTS that I have seen in the student section. From your arguement, they shouldnt be in there. I don't think your that crass to deny the people who are paying for their child to attend the school seats in that section.

I thought you were a capitalist? Your attitude sounds more like that of a Socialist if you ask me. You seem to feel you or those parents you reference are somehow entitled to those seats and entitled to do whatever you want with them because why - you have access to them? Because you don't want to pay full fare? You don't want to sit in the upper deck? The purpose of the basketball team is to make money for the University - both directly and indirectly. They essentially give those seats away to students, because they are students, and yes because they want to fill the sections with students - not so students can pocket the money that would otherwise go to MU, or give them away to non-students without access to them. How many of the people who buy seasons in the upper deck do you think would like to get their hands on those lower levels? Plenty, but too bad. Those seats should go to the students and they should be dirt cheap. But the price of essentially free seats is that you are not allowed to do anything you want with them. I can't understand why you see something wrong with that.

Show me the forms, website, or whatever vehicle is used to purchase/deliver student tickets, and I will show you those terms and conditions, because I assure you they're there. Whether it is in legalese, or simply says MU student ID will be required - its there in some form.

I cannot provide you the link for ticketmasters terms and conditions because it is behind my account (unless there is a home page that i dont about for it). I can paste the whole thing in a reply, but I don't fell that it is my responsibility to do this. you can go onto the MU athletics page and look for yourself to see if MU has any conditions on giving your tickets to only MU students.

I don't know where you are coming up with this idea that MU students are selling there student tickets. Are they on ebay? Maybe other [current] students can enlighten us on the frequency of student tickets in the Milwaukee black market.

When I travel to games and I pay for the $24-$30, whatever it is, ticket to watch us play and see an MU student in the other teams student section... i am not going to get mad and feel like I was taken for a ride. My thought is, "that guy knows someone, that I don't." good for that guy. 

you wrote, "Those seats should go to the students and they should be dirt cheap. But the price of essentially free seats is that you are not allowed to do anything you want with them. I can't understand why you see something wrong with that." Until you can show me something that states this "price" of free seats- that says you cannot do whatever you want with your tickets, there is no argument. I don't know why this is such a big deal to you.

As far as, "the purpose of the basketball team is to make money for the university". The student section wouldnt be the size it is, if the program or the university felt it is getting screwed by the "selling" of the student tickets by students. I am sure that many people toiled many hours comparing the revenue forecasts of decreasing or increasing the amount of student tickets. They were comfortable making that many seats available to the students for the $60 (i dont remember) they charge. They knew that they were taking away from their piece of pie by expanding the student section, they did it anyway. Seriously why is this a big deal to you? Do you personnaly have an interested in the financial sector of the program, or are you just some fan who thinks that he actually is a part of the program if he cheers hard enough.

[chapman]

I cannot provide you the link for ticketmasters terms and conditions because it is behind my account (unless there is a home page that i dont about for it). I can paste the whole thing in a reply, but I don't fell that it is my responsibility to do this. you can go onto the MU athletics page and look for yourself to see if MU has any conditions on giving your tickets to only MU students.

I don't know where you are coming up with this idea that MU students are selling there student tickets. Are they on ebay? Maybe other [current] students can enlighten us on the frequency of student tickets in the Milwaukee black market.

When I travel to games and I pay for the $24-$30, whatever it is, ticket to watch us play and see an MU student in the other teams student section... i am not going to get mad and feel like I was taken for a ride. My thought is, "that guy knows someone, that I don't." good for that guy. 

you wrote, "Those seats should go to the students and they should be dirt cheap. But the price of essentially free seats is that you are not allowed to do anything you want with them. I can't understand why you see something wrong with that." Until you can show me something that states this "price" of free seats- that says you cannot do whatever you want with your tickets, there is no argument. I don't know why this is such a big deal to you.

As far as, "the purpose of the basketball team is to make money for the university". The student section wouldnt be the size it is, if the program or the university felt it is getting screwed by the "selling" of the student tickets by students. I am sure that many people toiled many hours comparing the revenue forecasts of decreasing or increasing the amount of student tickets. They were comfortable making that many seats available to the students for the $60 (i dont remember) they charge. They knew that they were taking away from their piece of pie by expanding the student section, they did it anyway. Seriously why is this a big deal to you? Do you personnaly have an interested in the financial sector of the program, or are you just some fan who thinks that he actually is a part of the program if he cheers hard enough.

I think I've seen one student ticket on eBay, ever.  I know that many student tickets make it on eBay for UW-Madison games (football and basketball), to the point where everyone applies for season tickets, many with the idea that they sell their student season tickets for as much as five times what they're charged.  I think we're very far away from our second-hand student ticket situation becoming that bad.
As far as the "black market" of MU student tickets, there are always a handful that make it on Facebook or the exhange board here.  I don't know where the $30 for every Big East game comes from, but if that's the price people are willing to pay, they should be jumping at the student tickets being sold for $5-15.  The Notre Dame game and Georgetown are the only ones that might fetch $30.  I know I commented a couple months back on how inappropriate I think it is to try to get $5 for a cupcake game or a low-demand conference game a student has no intention of going to, but I would still say the reality is 75% of tickets that aren't used by students are given away to other students or their friends for free.  The two friends I have coming in for Saturday's game are huge MU basketball fans, and told me they were willing to pay at least $25 for tickets.  Both tickets I acquired for them were from students who had no intention of going, and neither one of them wanted money for the ticket despite being offered. 
I doubt many people who are older than student age are willing to pay the same price or slightly more than some upper level seats, arrive at the game an hour and a half ahead of time, and stand for two hours with a bunch of kids just to be in the lower level.  If they don't arrive on time, they have to be stuck in the upper level with a bunch of drunk kids.  Might as well just get one of the $9 upper level seats.  Also, attendance for winter break games would be even more dismal, and the first conference game or two might even have a weak student section, if students weren't allowed to bring friends who weren't students at MU.

[jaybilaswho?]

the $30 was the price ceiling on what some regular seats would cost.

[NavinRJohnson]

I cannot provide you the link for ticketmasters terms and conditions because it is behind my account (unless there is a home page that i dont about for it). I can paste the whole thing in a reply, but I don't fell that it is my responsibility to do this. you can go onto the MU athletics page and look for yourself to see if MU has any conditions on giving your tickets to only MU students.

Actually I can't. Student tickets are not just available for sale via MU's web site. That's what we are talking about here - student tickets, remember?

I don't know where you are coming up with this idea that MU students are selling there student tickets. Are they on ebay? Maybe other [current] students can enlighten us on the frequency of student tickets in the Milwaukee black market.

I never said they were. You said you think they should be allowed to sell the tickets that MU basically gives them for free because they are students. Whether they are actually doing it or not doesn't matter, I'm simply saying they should not be allowed to. 

When I travel to games and I pay for the $24-$30, whatever it is, ticket to watch us play and see an MU student in the other teams student section... i am not going to get mad and feel like I was taken for a ride. My thought is, "that guy knows someone, that I don't." good for that guy.

Congratulations. What does that have to do with whether or not students should be allowed to sell/pass their tickets to non-students?

you wrote, "Those seats should go to the students and they should be dirt cheap. But the price of essentially free seats is that you are not allowed to do anything you want with them. I can't understand why you see something wrong with that." Until you can show me something that states this "price" of free seats- that says you cannot do whatever you want with your tickets, there is no argument. I don't know why this is such a big deal to you.

It's not a big deal to me personally. Again, I don't have access to the mechanism for buying or delivering student tickets, so I won't be able to show it to you, but again I assure you its there. You think students should be allowed to do whatever they want with their tix - potentially at the expense of MU, and I don't.

As far as, "the purpose of the basketball team is to make money for the university". The student section wouldnt be the size it is, if the program or the university felt it is getting screwed by the "selling" of the student tickets by students. I am sure that many people toiled many hours comparing the revenue forecasts of decreasing or increasing the amount of student tickets. They were comfortable making that many seats available to the students for the $60 (i dont remember) they charge. They knew that they were taking away from their piece of pie by expanding the student section, they did it anyway.

Gee, no $**T? You kind of cut that quote off a little bit, too. The purpose is to make money both directly and indirectly. Obviously packing prime seats with students eats into revenues, but there is a lot to be said from both a student experience and and MU brand perspective to a large noisy student section - the reason I said I think the students should be given those seats cheap. Then again, if they prohibit students from selling their tickets to non-students (as they do), the risk of getting screwed isn't really a problem, now is it?

Seriously why is this a big deal to you? Do you personnaly have an interested in the financial sector of the program, or are you just some fan who thinks that he actually is a part of the program if he cheers hard enough.

Yes, that's what I think. You nailed it.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I have to be honest, I'm trying to follow this thread, but I'm not really sure where the debate lies.

MU is requiring students to show their MU ID to get into the MU student section.

What's the debate about?

Is there a problem asking the students to show their ID?

[jaybilaswho?]

I have to be honest, I'm trying to follow this thread, but I'm not really sure where the debate lies.

MU is requiring students to show their MU ID to get into the MU student section.

What's the debate about?

Is there a problem asking the students to show their ID?

Navin and I went off on a tangent. I apoligize to everyone.

Is ther a problem with asking students to show their ID--- what do you think? This, I believe, was the original intention of this thread.

[NavinRJohnson]

I don't know where the $30 for every Big East game comes from,

That is simply the cost that the lower level seats would cost if they were available for sale to regular season ticket holders...for 17 games.

Now, I'm no mathematician, but that comes to almost $510 per seat. Students pay what, $60 for the season? $450 x maybe 1500 seats = $675,000 (the incremental difference is probably lower than that, because many are still buying tix in the upper deck, but I have to believe more people would buy season tickets if they could get lower levels.), plus several more thousand in required B&G Fund donations they do not get from students that they would necessarily get from season ticket holders.

I am 100% supportive of getting the tickets into the students hands at that cost. Its good for them, and good for the program, and I am not suggesting they are selling them with any consistency, but the above is why they should not be allowed to sell or give them to anyone without a valid MU ID.

[NavinRJohnson]

Is there a problem asking the students to show their ID?

No. Some people who seem to feel the rules shouldn't apply to them, disagree however.

[muwarrior87]

If you've got MU gear on and don't have the opposing school's gear on or under your MU stuff, by all means come on in to the lower bowl of the student section. we could use more loud fans down there.  If one does have opposing team's gear on and has a student section ticket, i see nothing wrong w/ moving them to the upper deck but still in the student section. It's not like there are reserved seats, it's general admission so as far as I see it, we should have supporters closer to the floor.

As far as the asking for an ID, if you're cheering for MU, i see no problem w/ you in the student section.  If one isn't cheering for MU and has a student section ticket, i have no problem w/ the ushers moving said person upstairs to avoid any conflicts that may arise.

[Ahoya06]

I see no problem with a student who can't make the game giving their ticket to another student to bring their parents, friends, significant others, etc. I myself grabbed people's extra tickets on occasion to bring non-season ticket holders or non-students who are fans in.

While I would never have sold mine when I was a student, and don't really know of anyone personally who did, I also see no problem with the students recouping their expenses a little bit when passing on their tickets. There are a lot of more casual fan students out there who will only make 5 or 6 games, and if their ticket can go to other MU fans, I think that's great. I also think it's fine for that student to get a little money back, to justify shelling out $75 (I think that's what they cost now?) for the package.

Where I begin to have a problem is when students put their tickets up for sale for ridiculous prices and sell to anyone willing to pay. It's one thing when friends, acquaintances, and the likes get a hand from a student, but strangers and opposing fans, for a ridiculous upcharge, in my opinion, is an abuse of student ticket privileges.

It's this scalping that has a lot of other programs (mostly football, but I'm sure some basketball programs as well) putting serious restrictions on their student tickets, or, in some cases, not allowing transfer of them at all.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Alright,

I think I'm sorta understanding the debate.

MU is probably putting this "rule" out there in order to prevent students from scalping their seats and also to prevent "trouble" with visiting fans getting student section seats. 

The answer to a previous question if there was anything wrong with somebody wearing a Georgetown sweatshirt in the student section is realistically "no, there isn't"... but from a crowd safety and minimal risk standpoint, it's probably better to limit an opposing fan's ability to sit in the MU student section. A visitor sitting in the student section is really just asking for some sort of incident to occur. While that individual may be a perfectly nice person, it's just not in the best interest of MU or the BC to have visitors sitting in the middle of the students.

AND... if you have friends coming in town who want to go to the game, that is great... you'll just have to figure out a way around the rules. I think 25% of my energy in college was spent getting around/bending some sort of rule. It's not too tough if you put some thought into it.

[muwarrior87]

this rule doesn't matter too much. there are at least 20 student tickets for gtown on sale on facebook for at least 20 bucks.  some ppl sold their ND ticket for over 50. it's more than just recouping the cost for some of these students. it's trying to make a profit since a number have attempted to sell multiple tickets, which their parents probably paid for at the beginning of the season.

[Ahoya06]

this rule doesn't matter too much. there are at least 20 student tickets for gtown on sale on facebook for at least 20 bucks.  some ppl sold their ND ticket for over 50. it's more than just recouping the cost for some of these students. it's trying to make a profit since a number have attempted to sell multiple tickets, which their parents probably paid for at the beginning of the season.

Students are only allowed to buy one set of season tickets each (grad students two, I believe?). So if someone's selling multiples, it means it's probably two students trying to pool their resources, or one who was given/bought someone else's ticket. Or, could be a grad student, if I'm right about that.

[NavinRJohnson]

this rule doesn't matter too much. there are at least 20 student tickets for gtown on sale on facebook for at least 20 bucks.  some ppl sold their ND ticket for over 50. it's more than just recouping the cost for some of these students. it's trying to make a profit since a number have attempted to sell multiple tickets, which their parents probably paid for at the beginning of the season.

Certainly a case of a few bad apples, and this is the reason for the ID rule. As it should be. Some believe that just because they can do it, it is ok to do it. MU is not giving students prime seats for next to nothing so that they can go sell them at a premium. That's not the idea.

[muwarrior87]

this rule doesn't matter too much. there are at least 20 student tickets for gtown on sale on facebook for at least 20 bucks.  some ppl sold their ND ticket for over 50. it's more than just recouping the cost for some of these students. it's trying to make a profit since a number have attempted to sell multiple tickets, which their parents probably paid for at the beginning of the season.

Students are only allowed to buy one set of season tickets each (grad students two, I believe?). So if someone's selling multiples, it means it's probably two students trying to pool their resources, or one who was given/bought someone else's ticket. Or, could be a grad student, if I'm right about that.

not selling multiple of the same ticket, just their ticket for multiple games.

[chapman]

I don't know where the $30 for every Big East game comes from,

That is simply the cost that the lower level seats would cost if they were available for sale to regular season ticket holders...for 17 games.

Now, I'm no mathematician, but that comes to almost $510 per seat. Students pay what, $60 for the season? $450 x maybe 1500 seats = $675,000 (the incremental difference is probably lower than that, because many are still buying tix in the upper deck, but I have to believe more people would buy season tickets if they could get lower levels.), plus several more thousand in required B&G Fund donations they do not get from students that they would necessarily get from season ticket holders.

I am 100% supportive of getting the tickets into the students hands at that cost. Its good for them, and good for the program, and I am not suggesting they are selling them with any consistency, but the above is why they should not be allowed to sell or give them to anyone without a valid MU ID.

It would be the value of the tickets if there was no student section there, yes.  But the overall value is lowered because it's the student section and it's general admission.  When someone has to get there over an hour early, stand the whole time, and be in a crowd of a bunch of drunk college kids and swamped by security it would be a hassle unless they themselves are a drunk college kid.  The people with tickets on the other side can get there 5 minutes before tip-off and ask an usher to help them find their seat; an usher who will actually speak to them instead of mumbling under his breath and might not even give them a dirty look.  They can sit in their seat, and the distracting behavior around them is at a minimum.  The fact that it’s the student section and general admission makes it hard to argue these are “prime seats” to anyone but college kids, which is why the tickets never make it to eBay but some still are be sold, and bought by students.  If they want only students with the current system they'll have to reduce the size of the student section, which will only encourage more scalping.

I still don't see what's wrong with giving tickets to fans who aren't MU students.  I wouldn't doubt it half the student section during some winter break games are friends of MU students using tickets by students who can't make the game.  They wouldn't go to the game if their ticket wasn't free.  Plus, the MU students bringing them wouldn't go if they couldn't bring friends with.  Even if only MU students were allowed, applying the rule to break games would make the student section look pretty pathetic, and for what, to stop 50 out of 4000 tickets from being scalped?  Realistically, I would say even a big game like Georgetown has 100 scalped tickets.  Sure you get the idiots who are posting on Facebook "Ticket for $80, I want to go to the game but at the right price I'll sell".  But for 2.5% of total tickets is it really a big deal?  The dominant scenario is still a free ticket being provided by someone with no intention going to a game to an MU student, who uses gives the ticket to a friend they are bringing.   Is leaving seats empty after securing the revenue from them really more valuable than stopping a free rider from getting a chance to come and see the game with a friend?

[Wareagle]

I don't know where the $30 for every Big East game comes from,

but I have to believe more people would buy season tickets if they could get lower levels.), plus several more thousand in required B&G Fund donations they do not get from students that they would necessarily get from season ticket holders.

Not true, I just checked and there are still $30 seats available for the FGC game. 

As an aside, I think having the "enemy" in the student section makes for a more energetic crowd.  I distinctly remember a kid wearing a UW shirt walking through the student section and getting razzed more than the opposing team's players during an OOC game this season.

[NavinRJohnson]

Not true, I just checked and there are still $30 seats available for the FGC game. 

You may want to check again. Find me two together in the lower level, and I'll buy them.

[San Diego Warrior]

The only way you get lower level seats for a marquette game in the student section is to show up a minimum of 2 hours before the game and stand in line until the bradley center opens the doors.

As far as whether students should be allowed to sell them?  Students have been selling their tickets for years.  It's just you only get value for the tickets, when the bradley center is sold out.  Which is happenening again more frequently again, like it did when Wade was here.  The only time it happened otherwise was when Cincinatti or Louisville would come in ranked in the top 5 in the country.  Up until recent years, the student tickets would not actually sell out and you could buy additional tickets for $7 a piece.  I would think it's actually gotten more difficult to sell in recent years, now that they switched to paper tickets.  People are a lot more skeptical of buying tickets that can be printed off however many times, than buying an actual ticket. 

Anyways, I do not think student tickets should have a requirement of showing a student id, since the tickets can be sold and forwarded to anyone, which many have already been sold, and the Bradley Center has not required the use of an id for any of the previous games this season.

[Avenue Commons]

You could try this one?

That's kind of creepy. Any idea how someone got their hands on that?

[🏀]

You could try this one?

That's kind of creepy. Any idea how someone got their hands on that?

It was being sold on EBay. There was a story behind it, but it has slipped my mind.

[TallTitan34]

Yeah one kid was working in the summer cleaning out apartments and found Travis's ID in the room.  Obviously he put it on E-Bay. 

I think E-Bay took it down before it sold.

[muwarrior87]

The only way you get lower level seats for a marquette game in the student section is to show up a minimum of 2 hours before the game and stand in line until the bradley center opens the doors.
 

wrong! it takes until about a half hour before tip for the lower bowl to be completely filled.  people are not coming as early as they have the previous two years for whatever reason.  I really wish I could look up 15 minutes after gates opened and see people funneling into the upper deck because all the lower bowl seats are filled but this year that simply isn't the case.

[chapman]

Yeah one kid was working in the summer cleaning out apartments and found Travis's ID in the room.  Obviously he put it on E-Bay. 

I think E-Bay took it down before it sold.

So he had lost his THIRD ID?  If he's that forgetful, I wonder how he made it to all the games on time.

[Chili]

Yeah one kid was working in the summer cleaning out apartments and found Travis's ID in the room.  Obviously he put it on E-Bay. 

I think E-Bay took it down before it sold.

So he had lost his THIRD ID?  If he's that forgetful, I wonder how he made it to all the games on time.

managers.

[🏀]

Yeah one kid was working in the summer cleaning out apartments and found Travis's ID in the room.  Obviously he put it on E-Bay. 

I think E-Bay took it down before it sold.

So he had lost his THIRD ID?  If he's that forgetful, I wonder how he made it to all the games on time.

managers.

I'm on my third ID. I haven't lost any of them, they get worn out very quickly. Usually the picture will get all faded, not a big deal. But taking it in and out of my wallet causes the barcode to get all jacked up.

[IAmMarquette]

Yeah one kid was working in the summer cleaning out apartments and found Travis's ID in the room.  Obviously he put it on E-Bay. 

I think E-Bay took it down before it sold.

So he had lost his THIRD ID?  If he's that forgetful, I wonder how he made it to all the games on time.

managers.

I'm on my third ID. I haven't lost any of them, they get worn out very quickly. Usually the picture will get all faded, not a big deal. But taking it in and out of my wallet causes the barcode to get all jacked up.

I graduated in '06, and I've still got my original. Comes in handy for student discounts. But if you think 3 IDs is bad, I have a few friends who were in the teens by the time they were done at MU.

[rugbydrummer]

"this rule doesn't matter too much. there are at least 20 student tickets for gtown on sale on facebook for at least 20 bucks.  some ppl sold their ND ticket for over 50. it's more than just recouping the cost for some of these students. it's trying to make a profit since a number have attempted to sell multiple tickets, which their parents probably paid for at the beginning of the season."


NOT cynical at all ^_^


Look, bottom line -- in a perfect world, we'd all pay for our own tickets, not let our friends & family use them, and not charge others to turn a profit.
 But the real world is that we don't.  You figure athletics would rather have SOMEbody cheering for MU than a half-empty student section -- which I'm sure they would.
And honestly -- I have a few friends that don't go to all the games (shocker!).  And yes, an extra $3.98 ticket per missed game per fanatic that isn't sold or used by someone else probably won't make for the price differential of someone selling those seats for profit or MU/BC selling those seats at premium price. 

BUT -- caveat-- obviously the turnaround selling phenom hasn't become enough of a problem to warrant MU Athletics' attention, yes?

Yeah, the "be prepared to show ID" clause sucks, but c'mon, we can all look the MU fan part, right??  Obviously the BC security lets older folk in the SS (lower bowl too ?) from time to time, they probably aren't fooled by all the 40-60yos (although I know it's never too late to be a student again )


Bottom Line:  I'm sure we aren't supposed to sell or forward our unused tickets, but MU would be very sad to see those seats empty.