MU culture

[MuMark]

Well if MU wins a championship this year people here will still be bitching about the Dayton loss and saying that made it a disappointing season, book it.

I'm just glad Shaka finally beat UW so he won't get booed.........at least for another season.....

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Performance in the NCAA tourney defines both the team and the coach. Winning one's conference is like getting a participant's ribbon. That may not be a popular opinion on scoop, but it is the reality of college bball.

 

[Pakuni]

Performance in the NCAA tourney defines both the team and the coach. Winning one's conference is like getting a participant's ribbon. That may not be a popular opinion on scoop, but it is the reality of college bball.

Participant's ribbon might be a bit much, but I agree with your general point. Outside the diehards, regular season and conference success is far less noticeable than tourney success.
Are many non-Marquette fans more than vaguely aware that MU won the BE tourney two years ago? I suspect not. They more likely remember that team as a #2 seed that flamed out opening weekend.
I would bet more people remember Texas losing to Abeline Christian in the 2021 first round than them beating Oklahoma State to win the Big 12 tourney.

[MU82]

NCAAT success absolutely matters big-time. I want that Final Four run. I want another national title. Any loss during March Madness takes me time to get over.

But I just can't take the step of saying that failing to deliver those things means a season was unsuccessful. I get too much joy from each step along the way - and I don't buy that having that perspective somehow makes me less of a Marquette hoops fan.

Al won 1 title. Had he not done so, would his career have been "meh"? Apparently some here think so. Now, does the fact that he won it all make his career extra special? Abso-freakin'-lutely!

[Viper]

Marquette's not in need of a new coach. This is just grass is greener thinking. And it's dumb.

it's discussion. The point of Scoop, yes? Did I say MU was in need? Nope. Come on Sultan, be better, or go away for good this time.

[Newsdreams]

it's discussion. The point of Scoop, yes? Did I say MU was in need? Nope. Come on Sultan, be better, or go away for good this time.

Scoop for dummies

[The Sultan]

it's discussion. The point of Scoop, yes? Did I say MU was in need? Nope. Come on Sultan, be better, or go away for good this time.

Don't say dumb stuff and I won't respond.  But that's impossible for you ai'na?

[Nukem2]

George Mason and St. Peter's made Final4s. I vaguely remember that. Lot of good it did for them other than the HCs getting a higher paying gig. Now, we all want more. And MU has experienced that over time. Just really hard to achieve. Look at Nova. Once Jay left the wheels fell off. Realistically, MU as a smaller school has achieved a lot. Now, do I want more? Darn right I do. But, it's not easy.

[The Sultan]

George Mason and St. Peter's made Final4s. I vaguely remember that. Lot of good it did for them other than the HCs getting a higher paying gig. Now, we all want more. And MU has experienced that over time. Just really hard to achieve. Look at Nova. Once Jay left the wheels fell off. Realistically, MU as a smaller school has achieved a lot. Now, do I want more? Darn right I do. But, it's not easy.

St. Peters never made a Final Four.

[Nukem2]

St. Peters never made a Final Four.

Well, Elite 8 anyway. My point remains the same.

[PointWarrior]

Not make it out of the first weekend of tourney = fart in the wind season

[CountryRoads]

Not make it out of the first weekend of tourney = fart in the wind season

That's still true if we were currently 25-0. With this group, the season was always going to be defined in March.

[Newsdreams]

Bottom line all seasons since 1977 sux.

[Jay Bee]

#CRAPSHOOT

[Shaka Shart]

Well if MU wins a championship this year people here will still be bitching about the Dayton loss and saying that made it a disappointing season, book it.

Dude I still wake up screaming about the St. Thomas loss

[Shaka Shart]

I won't truly believe Shaka has his players' backs until he refuses to bench one of them for bringing a murder weapon to the scene of the crime.

[MUfan12]

The double BE title season was some of the most fun I've had in my 30+ years watching MU basketball. I was devastated when it ended, but I'll never view that year as any sort of failure or participation ribbon.

[Newsdreams]

The double BE title season was some of the most fun I've had in my 30+ years watching MU basketball. I was devastated when it ended, but I'll never view that year as any sort of failure or participation ribbon.

COLE

[mug644]

NCAAT success absolutely matters big-time. I want that Final Four run. I want another national title. Any loss during March Madness takes me time to get over.

But I just can't take the step of saying that failing to deliver those things means a season was unsuccessful. I get too much joy from each step along the way - and I don't buy that having that perspective somehow makes me less of a Marquette hoops fan.

Al won 1 title. Had he not done so, would his career have been "meh"? Apparently some here think so. Now, does the fact that he won it all make his career extra special? Abso-freakin'-lutely!

Actually, since it was in a time of MU being an independent, there were no other accolades or in-season accomplishments to hang a banner about; so, if he hadn't won a title, I do think his coaching career would be looked at quite differently. Albeit, maybe like Gene Keady's, which is not bad.

[StillWarriors]

NCAAT success absolutely matters big-time. I want that Final Four run. I want another national title. Any loss during March Madness takes me time to get over.

But I just can't take the step of saying that failing to deliver those things means a season was unsuccessful. I get too much joy from each step along the way - and I don't buy that having that perspective somehow makes me less of a Marquette hoops fan.

Al won 1 title. Had he not done so, would his career have been "meh"? Apparently some here think so. Now, does the fact that he won it all make his career extra special? Abso-freakin'-lutely!

Couldn't agree more. I absolutely want tourney success and want the program to be in position to legitimately have a shot at Final Fours and a championship. That said, there is no denying the crapshoot nature of the tourney.

Why deprive yourself of the joys and frustrations along the way by minimizing those steps?  Winning the conference regular season is a tremendous accomplishment that deserves to be celebrated, as does the conf tourney (though I place more value in the reg season grind). For all of the investment of the university in terms of resources, the effort and passion of the players and coaches, the time and emotional energy on the part of fans...it seems crazy to judge an entire season on advancing to a certain point in the tourney. While an early exit is  frustrating, an incredibly off day shooting (the new normal, ouch), an injury, running into a Ja Morant etc...can happen and is not going to wipe away the smaller triumphs along the way. That, to me, is a disservice to the effort the players and coaches put in, and certainly would reduce my enjoyment as a fan. Perhaps that is a big picture perspective that comes with age.

[MU82]

Actually, since it was in a time of MU being an independent, there were no other accolades or in-season accomplishments to hang a banner about; so, if he hadn't won a title, I do think his coaching career would be looked at quite differently. Albeit, maybe like Gene Keady's, which is not bad.

We'll never know how his coaching career would have looked without that title, because he did get that title.

But since "what-iffing" is a big part of fan sites like this, I'll take a shot ...

He still would have been regarded as a tremendous coach who ran a program that gave Marquette fans a ton to be proud of.

[Viper]

Don't say dumb stuff and I won't respond.  But that's impossible for you ai'na?

your reading comprehension ain't good, hey. Saying I'm not sold on Shaka's recruiting is dumb? Simply an opinion. No right or wrong to it. That I appreciate Shaka's all-in for MU is ...dumb? That IF there was a need for a HC...I mention two coaches with state ties I like...no good for you? Seriously, thought you left Scoop? Word has it you were run off by dentists?

[Pakuni]

it seems crazy to judge an entire season on advancing to a certain point in the tourney. While an early exit is  frustrating, an incredibly off day shooting (the new normal, ouch), an injury, running into a Ja Morant etc...can happen and is not going to wipe away the smaller triumphs along the way. That, to me, is a disservice to the effort the players and coaches put in, and certainly would reduce my enjoyment as a fan. Perhaps that is a big picture perspective that comes with age.

I don't think anyone is judging an entire season on tourney results, just acknowledging that tourney results carry an outsized influence on how one judges a season. Every tournament game is the team's most important game to that point in the season.

[The Sultan]

your reading comprehension ain't good, hey. Saying I'm not sold on Shaka's recruiting is dumb? Simply an opinion. No right or wrong to it. That I appreciate Shaka's all-in for MU is ...dumb? That IF there was a need for a HC...I mention two coaches with state ties I like...no good for you? Seriously, thought you left Scoop? Word has it you were run off by dentists?

You heard wrong. I'm here and going to respond when your posts are bad. Which is often.

"State ties"...lol.

[1SE]

"Tom Izzo on getting most Big Ten wins: 'I'd trade it all for a banner'"

Almost like he only cares about the NCAAT and not the regular season. But he's probably not really a fan of the game.