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MU Fan in Connecticut

Sounds like general routine business for universities.  It popped up in my Google news feed.



Marquette proposes to cut or modify 15 programs in alignment with the $31 million budget cuts

https://marquettewire.org/4131347/news/marquette-proposed-to-cut-or-modify-15-programs-in-accordance-with-31-million-budget-cuts/

The programs will instill a "teach-out" plan, so students currently enrolled in the programs can complete their degree.

Sophia Tiedge, Assistant News Editor • January 28, 2025



GB Warrior

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 30, 2025, 05:05:59 AMSounds like general routine business for universities.  It popped up in my Google news feed.



Marquette proposes to cut or modify 15 programs in alignment with the $31 million budget cuts

https://marquettewire.org/4131347/news/marquette-proposed-to-cut-or-modify-15-programs-in-accordance-with-31-million-budget-cuts/

The programs will instill a "teach-out" plan, so students currently enrolled in the programs can complete their degree.

Sophia Tiedge, Assistant News Editor • January 28, 2025




Hard but necessary decisions for the university. Cutting the dental school also allows you to reduce your spend on MUPD.

The Lens

What does 15 mean?  How many "programs" are there? 20? 100? Hard to understand just how big or small this level of cuts (or modifications) are to MU.   
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The Sultan

Marquette has about 85 undergraduate majors and 90 graduate programs. It also has a number of certificate programs through its College of Professional Studies.  If I were to guess, and this is only a guess, it would be more of the less in-demand graduate and certificate programs than undergraduate. But I may be wrong about that.
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MU Fan in Connecticut

Quote from: The Sultan on January 30, 2025, 08:39:39 AMMarquette has about 85 undergraduate majors and 90 graduate programs. It also has a number of certificate programs through its College of Professional Studies.  If I were to guess, and this is only a guess, it would be more of the less in-demand graduate and certificate programs than undergraduate. But I may be wrong about that.

Sultan, there is a line in the article along the lines of "less than 10 students over x number of semesters".

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 30, 2025, 05:05:59 AMSounds like general routine business for universities.  It popped up in my Google news feed.



Marquette proposes to cut or modify 15 programs in alignment with the $31 million budget cuts

https://marquettewire.org/4131347/news/marquette-proposed-to-cut-or-modify-15-programs-in-accordance-with-31-million-budget-cuts/

The programs will instill a "teach-out" plan, so students currently enrolled in the programs can complete their degree.

Sophia Tiedge, Assistant News Editor • January 28, 2025




I mentioned this in the college enrollment threads as something MU should do. Look at the list of majors and minors (primarily in A&S, my school, BTW) and one can see areas of study that are unnecessary and the money spent can be used to strengthen the more in demand and useful majors. As much as I would have loved a minor in Irish Studies during my time (I studied in Galway through MU's study abroad program) is that an academic expenditure MU needs to have? Foreign languages are an area schools are cutting to save money too.

https://apnews.com/article/unc-board-of-governors-degree-staff-cuts-a936a0cec9162971d6b3b32debf4535f
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/business/cost-cutting/2024/10/07/college-cuts-september-include-jobs-programs-athletics
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Macallan 18

Quote from: The Sultan on January 30, 2025, 08:39:39 AMMarquette has about 85 undergraduate majors and 90 graduate programs. It also has a number of certificate programs through its College of Professional Studies.  If I were to guess, and this is only a guess, it would be more of the less in-demand graduate and certificate programs than undergraduate. But I may be wrong about that.

The challenge of restructuring the larger majors is it is has been difficult for faculty to want to cut or adjust majors, in particular their own. In a recent meeting someone in English suggested why doesn't the university just roll the Journalism department into the English department which got a retort from Journalism, why doesn't English just roll into Journalism.

Inside the academy differences between programs may be a big deal for faculty, however it can be confusing for those outside the academy, in particular prospective students. Admissions has lamented that prospective students are confused about Biological Sciences and Biomedical Sciences and what the difference is between the two. What is the difference between the Environmental Science major and Environmental Studies major? Does Marquette need both, maybe, but finding a group of faculty who can get together and make an objective data driven decision has been a challenge.

One approach floated is trying to build a committee that has individuals who can look at this objectively. For example tasking the dean of the Law or Dental school (programs that are kind of their own entities but still part of Marquette), along with the vice president for enrollment management, the chief academic effectiveness officer and others who can look at the data and make objective decisions that aren't colored by whether their major or college will be reorganized even if it is in the long term best interest of the university.

Shaka Shart

In a culture driven by ROI, it is a shame to see some of the more obscure topics of study start to disintegrate but it is not too surprising. Especially when some of these niches are discovered in parallels of attending a school. Having to attend one of 3 schools in order to study "Irish studies" instead of discovering it during an elective or history class and moving into the field seems like you are moving towards narrowing the scope of interest in our very diverse society.

While I get eliminating low traffic areas that are using much higher $$$ per major granted, I believe study consolidation will eventually have a negative impact on the softer parts of our society like museums, historical societies, etc.
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Re: Who's Buzz in Memphis for?

February 17th, 2012

The Sultan

Over the weekend, I saw a very interesting presentation by some of the leading researchers in higher education admissions work. Among what the presented, they framed current students admission's decisions as an xy axis - where the vertical axis is "prestige" and the horizontal is "relevance." And there are a series of "arcs" that connect the same points on each axis.  And the higher arc you can get your school to, the better.

So there are certain schools that Marquette is never going to "out prestige." However, they can "out relevance" them. Show your ROI. Prove how that program is going to lead to an internship that will lead to a job and a fulfilling life. And I think this is exactly what Marquette is trying to do here. Even when you go to their admissions page, there is nothing about prestige there. However they have this statement:

"A Marquette education is more than a degree. Through the formation of hearts and minds, our graduates stand apart, prepared with the knowledge, skills and sense of community they need to build a meaningful career, lead a purposeful life and transform the world around them."

I do think Shaka Shart is right about this being a shame, but I think what schools are seeing is that students aren't going to school to "find themselves" as much as they used to. Their aim and purpose is clear - prove to me that this investment will be worth it.
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muwarrior69

Quote from: The Sultan on January 30, 2025, 01:33:07 PMOver the weekend, I saw a very interesting presentation by some of the leading researchers in higher education admissions work. Among what the presented, they framed current students admission's decisions as an xy axis - where the vertical axis is "prestige" and the horizontal is "relevance." And there are a series of "arcs" that connect the same points on each axis.  And the higher arc you can get your school to, the better.

So there are certain schools that Marquette is never going to "out prestige." However, they can "out relevance" them. Show your ROI. Prove how that program is going to lead to an internship that will lead to a job and a fulfilling life. And I think this is exactly what Marquette is trying to do here. Even when you go to their admissions page, there is nothing about prestige there. However they have this statement:

"A Marquette education is more than a degree. Through the formation of hearts and minds, our graduates stand apart, prepared with the knowledge, skills and sense of community they need to build a meaningful career, lead a purposeful life and transform the world around them."

I do think Shaka Shart is right about this being a shame, but I think what schools are seeing is that students aren't going to school to "find themselves" as much as they used to. Their aim and purpose is clear - prove to me that this investment will be worth it.

How does one quantify "prestige" and "relevance". From where I sit the Ivies no longer have the "prestige" they once had and many schools are pricing themselves right out of "relevance".

forgetful

Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 30, 2025, 09:27:08 PMHow does one quantify "prestige" and "relevance". From where I sit the Ivies no longer have the "prestige" they once had and many schools are pricing themselves right out of "relevance".

Ivies still have all of the prestige. It is just outliers in society that have their head in the sand regarding the prestige.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: forgetful on January 30, 2025, 11:26:03 PMIvies still have all of the prestige. It is just outliers in society that have their head in the sand regarding the prestige.

Higher education is doomed, in general.
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The Sultan

Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 30, 2025, 09:27:08 PMHow does one quantify "prestige" and "relevance". From where I sit the Ivies no longer have the "prestige" they once had and many schools are pricing themselves right out of "relevance".


You are wrong on both counts.
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Galway Eagle

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Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 30, 2025, 09:14:35 AMI studied in Galway through MU's study abroad program

Can't trust people who studied there. But seriously yes they should cut that minor. Keep the Irish history elective as MU has like zero fun electives compared to state schools so something like that is a nice reprieve to appeal to individual students (and my class was full in 2011) but no need for a full minor
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jesmu84

Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 30, 2025, 09:27:08 PMHow does one quantify "prestige" and "relevance". From where I sit the Ivies no longer have the "prestige" they once had and many schools are pricing themselves right out of "relevance".

Why do you believe this?

Billy Hoyle

#15
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 31, 2025, 08:43:50 AMCan't trust people who studied there. But seriously yes they should cut that minor. Keep the Irish history elective as MU has like zero fun electives compared to state schools so something like that is a nice reprieve to appeal to individual students (and my class was full in 2011) but no need for a full minor

Even more so if they lived in Corrib Village ;D  ;D As an aside, I saw that one of my favorite US musicians is playing at the Rosin Dubh next month. Damn, I wish I could make a trip for that.

Totally agree on having fun electives for people to take. At MU I took a 20th Century Irish History class taught by a visiting professor from Queens University in Belfast. Many people in that class were of Irish heritage and wanted to learn about Irish History in addition to their Business major classes.  I took a few other American history electives for fun because I liked the subjects. We all do and should. My wife was a sadist and took Spanish as her "blow-off" electives.

I picked the Irish History minor as an example as it's something I would have been interested in, but other minor (and major) programs in A&S that seem to have little relevance once someone leaves college can be trimmed with those resources moved into strengthening programs that will be more likely to attract students to MU moving forward.
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Shaka Shart

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Re: Who's Buzz in Memphis for?

February 17th, 2012

GB Warrior


Billy Hoyle

Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 31, 2025, 03:12:49 PMHarvard will not be fine

As much as i dislike Hahvahd they have 53.2 billion reasons they'll be fine.
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wadesworld

Based on the post game reaction here, can we also cut the basketball program? We're the only team in the Big East who isn't beating up on the 4 teams in the BE above .500 and the only team in the BE who isn't blowing teams out every time they step on the court.

Shaka Shart

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 01, 2025, 10:06:51 PMAs much as i dislike Hahvahd they have 53.2 billion reasons they'll be fine.

Glad to know you aren't a Wisconsin based dentist then
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Re: Who's Buzz in Memphis for?

February 17th, 2012

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