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Marquette vs
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Date/Time: Feb 11, 2025 7:30pm
TV: Peacock
Schedule for 2024-25
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POLL! What will MU's Big East Record be

20-0
12 (6%)
19-1
6 (3%)
18-2
31 (15.6%)
17-3
51 (25.6%)
16-4
72 (36.2%)
15-5?
20 (10.1%)
14-6??
2 (1%)
Worse than 6 losses????
5 (2.5%)

Total Members Voted: 199

Voting closed: January 18, 2025, 12:44:16 PM

tower912

Wisblue was right.  The back end of the conference schedule for MU is tougher than the front end.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Johnny B

Quote from: Milkshakes on January 12, 2025, 10:56:30 AMI think this is about right. Agree we win at home v UConn and loose at Nova. 

The schedule in Feb is much tougher than Jan with the home away balance.  I think Scoop is going to melt down a bit when we have some tough stretches in Feb.
The fabled feb fade...

Newsdreams

Goal is National Championship

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

dgies9156

Every year I've followed Marquette, there have been games you win that you shouldn't have won and games you lose that you should not have lost.

While I expect we will go 20-0, realism says about 16-4. I hope my expectation becomes reality!

Bring it home, Guys!

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: dgies9156 on January 12, 2025, 02:57:05 PMEvery year I've followed Marquette, there have been games you win that you shouldn't have won and games you lose that you should not have lost.

While I expect we will go 20-0, realism says about 16-4. I hope my expectation becomes reality!

Bring it home, Guys!

2022-23 being the exception. Felt like we just won every game that year. The losses in Conference were just like "whatever we'll get the next few". IIRC we didn't lose 2 games in a row the entire season.

Made the season ending loss to MSU so painful.
VIOLENCE!

Newsdreams

Quote from: dgies9156 on January 12, 2025, 02:57:05 PMEvery year I've followed Marquette, there have been games you win that you shouldn't have won and games you lose that you should not have lost.

While I expect we will go 20-0, realism says about 16-4. I hope my expectation becomes reality!

Bring it home, Guys!
COLE
Goal is National Championship

wisblue

Quote from: Milkshakes on January 12, 2025, 10:56:30 AMThe schedule in Feb is much tougher than Jan with the home away balance.

I was told that making that observation makes you an Eeyore and/or a Chicken Little.

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

The Sultan

Quote from: wisblue on January 12, 2025, 05:10:49 PMI was told that making that observation makes you an Eeyore and/or a Chicken Little.

Yeah. Not really. But spin away.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

So we've got at least a few folks predicting that we'll lose every tough game from here on out. Cool.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Shooter McGavin

Yep. Maybe we just aren't that good? (Lots of legit nonconference wins and metrics that state otherwise). When Kam gets rolling again this team will be hard to beat. If they do lose all the tough games in February they will be more of a 5 seed than a 2 seed.  Hope they are wrong.  I do expect a few losses however.

Teams with transfers are starting to gel.  And maybe that leads to some pessimism about MUs chances on the road against the tougher teams in conference. Hopefully the nonconference schedule has prepared us for that.  I guess we will see.  Should a fun but tense month ahead in Feb/beginning of March.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

#37
There are 4 phases left of the season

The next 4: at DPL, X, at Hall, NOVA. Two road games against the worst teams and two home games against mid teams. Any road game is loseable, and Nova and X have the talent to beat us if they are on and we are off...But...KenPom favors us by 10+ in each of these games for a reason. 4-0 should be the expectation. 3-1 is possible but would be disappointing.

The first tough stretch: at Butler, UConn, at SJU, at CREI. Were much better than Butler and Creighton, but they like to muck it up and limit the paint so on the road either could surprise us.  We're better than SJU and UConn but either could beat us, especially on the road.  We're favored in 3 of 4 of these and the one were not is a projected 1 point loss.  3-1 should be the expectation but 2-2 is possible.

The reprieve: DPL, HALL. We get a nice gooey center between two tough pieces of bread. This should be an easy 2-0 stretch.

The second tough stretch: at Nova, PROV, at GTWN, at UConn, SJU. The Friars at home dont belong here but it's where they fall. At Nova is loseable but Shaka owns NOVA and I think that continues. I think rumors of GTWNs ressurection are greatly exaggerated but could certainly steal one on the road. At UConn is the toughest conference game and SJU is only a half step behind us. Were favored in 4 of 5 of these games and the 1 is only projected as a one point loss.  Despite that,  I think 3-2 should be the expectation with 4-1 being more likely than 2-3.

Assuming no major injuries,  I think 17-3 is the expectation with 16-4 being the second most likely outcome.  I think 15-5 and 18-2 are roughly about equally likely, and there's an outside shot at 14-6.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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HowardsWorld

I voted for 18-2. They should realistically go 11-0 to start the season before going to St. Johns. Im looking at them in a vacuum of 1 game at a time. Yes, its hard to look vs Uconn, @ St. Johns, @ Creighton and see the team going 3-0. But game by game they are the better team.

Johnny B

am I the only one not convinced we're better than UConn with mcneely? It's close but I don't see a unequivocally clear better team

MU82

Quote from: Johnny B on January 13, 2025, 09:35:21 AMam I the only one not convinced we're better than UConn with mcneely? It's close but I don't see a unequivocally clear better team

I'm not "convinced" we're the "unequivocally clear better team." I'm not sure how many Scoopers have either said or suggested such a thing. Indeed, most of those who have commented in the last day or so predicted we'll lose at least once to UConn, with quite a few saying we'll lose twice. Not sure what these Marquette fans are seeing in UConn - or in Marquette - that makes them so certain of that, but whatevs.

What I am convinced of is that UConn has to play Marquette, too, and I don't think UConn is the unequivocally clear better team.

Our team is pretty good.
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MUfan12

I think MU and UConn are similar level. Their offense is more consistent, our defense is far better. Turns out Clingan covered up quite a bit.

A split with them seems likely, IMO. That NMD crowd is gonna be ridiculous and it'll get MU over the line.

wadesworld

Quote from: MUfan12 on January 13, 2025, 09:55:22 AMI think MU and UConn are similar level. Their offense is more consistent, our defense is far better. Turns out Clingan covered up quite a bit.

A split with them seems likely, IMO. That NMD crowd is gonna be ridiculous and it'll get MU over the line.

Stephon Castle was an awesome defender, and Tristen Newton was very good too.  It wasn't just Clingan.

FairWeatherEagle

Quote from: wadesworld on January 13, 2025, 11:11:45 AMStephon Castle was an awesome defender, and Tristen Newton was very good too.  It wasn't just Clingan.
When I saw Castle play, I thought "this guy belongs in the NBA"

DoctorV

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 13, 2025, 08:45:46 AMThere are 4 phases left of the season

The next 4: at DPL, X, at Hall, NOVA. Two road games against the worst teams and two home games against mid teams. Any road game is loseable, and Nova and X have the talent to beat us if they are on and we are off...But...KenPom favors us by 10+ in each of these games for a reason. 4-0 should be the expectation. 3-1 is possible but would be disappointing.

The first tough stretch: at Butler, UConn, at SJU, at CREI. Were much better than Butler and Creighton, but they like to muck it up and limit the paint so on the road either could surprise us.  We're better than SJU and UConn but either could beat us, especially on the road.  We're favored in 3 of 4 of these and the one were not is a projected 1 point loss.  3-1 should be the expectation but 2-2 is possible.

The reprieve: DPL, HALL. We get a nice gooey center between two tough pieces of bread. This should be an easy 2-0 stretch.

The second tough stretch: at Nova, PROV, at GTWN, at UConn, SJU. The Friars at home dont belong here but it's where they fall. At Nova is loseable but Shaka owns NOVA and I think that continues. I think rumors of GTWNs ressurection are greatly exaggerated but could certainly steal one on the road. At UConn is the toughest conference game and SJU is only a half step behind us. Were favored in 4 of 5 of these games and the 1 is only projected as a one point loss.  Despite that,  I think 3-2 should be the expectation with 4-1 being more likely than 2-3.

Assuming no major injuries,  I think 17-3 is the expectation with 16-4 being the second most likely outcome.  I think 15-5 and 18-2 are roughly about equally likely, and there's an outside shot at 14-6.


So if we are to expect the expectation, Marquette would win the BE and earn a 1 seed in the NCAAt. I'd be ok with that.

31-5, 17-3 would be a lock for a 1 seed. I don't think a first rd loss at the Garden would change that.

30-6, 16-4 is probably right on the back end 1 front end 2 seed territory. Should be good enough for a BE title, possibly a split though. The BE tourney would matter much more here via the possibility of double titles locking up a 1 seed.

The rest would mean 2 seed or worse and likely no BE title, aka Arby's.

That Shaka guy and his squad have really set themselves up with quite the challenge

Shooter McGavin

Good summary TAMU.  I think 17-3 or 16-4 is doable.  Injury could derail that but with health and continued development I think either  record is a real possibility. 

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: DoctorV on January 13, 2025, 10:26:56 PMSo if we are to expect the expectation, Marquette would win the BE and earn a 1 seed in the NCAAt. I'd be ok with that.

31-5, 17-3 would be a lock for a 1 seed. I don't think a first rd loss at the Garden would change that.

30-6, 16-4 is probably right on the back end 1 front end 2 seed territory. Should be good enough for a BE title, possibly a split though. The BE tourney would matter much more here via the possibility of double titles locking up a 1 seed.

The rest would mean 2 seed or worse and likely no BE title, aka Arby's.

That Shaka guy and his squad have really set themselves up with quite the challenge

Marquette has never had a 30 win season in the history of the program. Would only be right that this class be the one to get it...

but if they won out through MSG they would have 32 wins, so 31-5 isn't possible unless I'm reading your post wrong or adding wrong.
VIOLENCE!

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: DoctorV on January 13, 2025, 10:26:56 PMSo if we are to expect the expectation, Marquette would win the BE and earn a 1 seed in the NCAAt. I'd be ok with that.

31-5, 17-3 would be a lock for a 1 seed. I don't think a first rd loss at the Garden would change that.

30-6, 16-4 is probably right on the back end 1 front end 2 seed territory. Should be good enough for a BE title, possibly a split though. The BE tourney would matter much more here via the possibility of double titles locking up a 1 seed.

The rest would mean 2 seed or worse and likely no BE title, aka Arby's.

That Shaka guy and his squad have really set themselves up with quite the challenge

As always it depends. Duke should win out, they are great and the ACC is trash. Auburn, Tennessee, Alabama, and Florida are all ahead of us in the AP poll. Playing in the SEC, they could each finish with two,  maybe even the three more losses than us and still be ahead of us on the s-curve. Iowa State can also afford to have 2 more losses than us and have the head to head win if its close.

18-2 could be a 1 seed lock.  I'm not ready to call 17-3 a 1 seed lock.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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DoctorV

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 13, 2025, 10:47:40 PMMarquette has never had a 30 win season in the history of the program. Would only be right that this class be the one to get it...

but if they won out through MSG they would have 32 wins, so 31-5 isn't possible unless I'm reading your post wrong or adding wrong.

Yea my math was way off, and it wasn't difficult math. Long day I'll try again tomorrow

wisblue

Quote from: tower912 on January 12, 2025, 05:14:21 PMBy whom?

See the Big East results thread. I made a comment about the schedule being a lot tougher in the second half and it quickly led to comments about chicken littles and a specific reference to the Eeyore of the board.

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