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Quote from: MUDish on February 26, 2008, 04:33:58 PM
There isn't even the slightest chance the Cubs will play a home game in Miller Park. Hell will freeze over before this ever happens.

Once the Illinois Sports Facilities Authority (the one's who are pushing these changes) buys Wrigley Field, if you think they'll let revenue get outside of the state or (even moreso) a facility they own, you are insane.

If this does go down, Cubs fans better get used to The Cell.



Good call. Didn't make the connection.

Mayor McCheese

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 26, 2008, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 26, 2008, 02:44:10 PM
Personally this is the option I have always wanted.  Wrigley Field is the bleachers and scoreboard and marquee and rooftops.  No one cares about the grandstands.

Simply tear the grandstands down and rebuild them to look the same but this time with the modern amenities.

Totally agree. Although I don't think the grandstand is as dumpy as some make it out to be -- Fenway is a MUCH bigger dump -- I think it would be great to rebuild them.

By the way, as I mentioned, I am a Cub fan and I think The Cell is great. I also like Miller Park -- but I hate the slide. Bring back the beer stein!! It's the "Brewers" for goodness sakes!!!!

take the Lakefront Brewery Tour, its there in their Brewery.  The beer keg I mean
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/NCAA/dayone&sportCat=ncb

pure genius stuff by Bill Simmons, remember to read day 2

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Quote from: Mayor McCheese on February 26, 2008, 05:29:38 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 26, 2008, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 26, 2008, 02:44:10 PM
Personally this is the option I have always wanted.  Wrigley Field is the bleachers and scoreboard and marquee and rooftops.  No one cares about the grandstands.

Simply tear the grandstands down and rebuild them to look the same but this time with the modern amenities.

Totally agree. Although I don't think the grandstand is as dumpy as some make it out to be -- Fenway is a MUCH bigger dump -- I think it would be great to rebuild them.

By the way, as I mentioned, I am a Cub fan and I think The Cell is great. I also like Miller Park -- but I hate the slide. Bring back the beer stein!! It's the "Brewers" for goodness sakes!!!!

take the Lakefront Brewery Tour, its there in their Brewery.  The beer keg I mean

The beer keg is in there, and you can go inside Bernie's Terrace.

marquette09

Quote from: marqptm on February 26, 2008, 02:25:09 PM
Quite possibly as early as 2010, Wrigley could be getting torn down and rebuilt. In the mean time, the Cubs would be looking to play at Hell in the Cell (US Cellular Field).

Sounds like they want to reconstruct the grandstands in the same fashion they reconstructed the bleachers last year. I personally think they should also look to add a couple of home games at Miller Park, along with US Cellular.

This also opens up a very good observation to be made: Will the Cubs still draw without Wrigley Field for a year? Personally, I've been to The Cell 10-15 times for a game, and I've never once felt safe. I bet they could outsell the White Sox in their own park though.

What is 670's source on this?

CWSKeith

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Quote from: marqptm on February 26, 2008, 04:02:29 PM
Quote from: CWSKeith on February 26, 2008, 03:58:59 PM
Quote from: marqptm on February 26, 2008, 03:47:36 PM
Getting that aside...

Oh yes, getting your complete ignorance about US Cellular and the surrounding neighborhood aside...  I also love your anecdotal evidence -- "this one time I was there and I saw a fight!  goodness me!"

Yes -- all of us Sox fans and southsiders are William Ligue Jr types who love to get drunk and brawl.  In fact, I think he's being added to the LF wall this season.  Gosh do I love pointless generalizations and trolling comments.

It's not ignorance when you've experience it three times.

I applaud the surrounding areas for getting better if it has. I cannot say I've been down there more than once in the past 8 years.

CWSKeith, please don't attack me with a mini-baseball bat because I've had three bad experiences at Hell in the Cell. Please, that would be so un-White Sox fan like.

Yes it is -- it's ignorance at it's best.  You're taking anecdotal evidence and trying to push it as the norm.  That's utterly ignorant.

Keep trying to back up your dumbass remarks, though -- please.

And I'm not the one who's pissed about anything.  You're the guy stirring the pot with attendence remarks (that are completely false -- nothing I love than a person who thinks they know what they're talking about but, in reality, don't have a fucking clue) and bashing US Cellular, so...

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Quote from: CWSKeith on February 26, 2008, 07:01:57 PM
Quote from: marqptm on February 26, 2008, 04:02:29 PM
Quote from: CWSKeith on February 26, 2008, 03:58:59 PM
Quote from: marqptm on February 26, 2008, 03:47:36 PM
Getting that aside...

Oh yes, getting your complete ignorance about US Cellular and the surrounding neighborhood aside...  I also love your anecdotal evidence -- "this one time I was there and I saw a fight!  goodness me!"

Yes -- all of us Sox fans and southsiders are William Ligue Jr types who love to get drunk and brawl.  In fact, I think he's being added to the LF wall this season.  Gosh do I love pointless generalizations and trolling comments.

It's not ignorance when you've experience it three times.

I applaud the surrounding areas for getting better if it has. I cannot say I've been down there more than once in the past 8 years.

CWSKeith, please don't attack me with a mini-baseball bat because I've had three bad experiences at Hell in the Cell. Please, that would be so un-White Sox fan like.

Yes it is -- it's ignorance at it's best.  You're taking anecdotal evidence and trying to push it as the norm.  That's utterly ignorant.

Keep trying to back up your dumbass remarks, though -- please.

Ah typical White Sox Fan. Let me help...

As stated in my original post, I said I didn't feel safe there. When called into question, I stated why. Three incidents that have happened while I was there.

So the 'norm' I am pushing is that I don't feel safe there, and then backed up by my 'anecdotal' evidence.

Let's try in an equation. Witness Violence = Unsafe feeling.

Sorry for pushing the 'norm' that is my personal feelings.

CWSKeith

Quote from: marqptm on February 26, 2008, 07:06:36 PM
Quote from: CWSKeith on February 26, 2008, 07:01:57 PM
Quote from: marqptm on February 26, 2008, 04:02:29 PM
Quote from: CWSKeith on February 26, 2008, 03:58:59 PM
Quote from: marqptm on February 26, 2008, 03:47:36 PM
Getting that aside...

Oh yes, getting your complete ignorance about US Cellular and the surrounding neighborhood aside...  I also love your anecdotal evidence -- "this one time I was there and I saw a fight!  goodness me!"

Yes -- all of us Sox fans and southsiders are William Ligue Jr types who love to get drunk and brawl.  In fact, I think he's being added to the LF wall this season.  Gosh do I love pointless generalizations and trolling comments.

It's not ignorance when you've experience it three times.

I applaud the surrounding areas for getting better if it has. I cannot say I've been down there more than once in the past 8 years.

CWSKeith, please don't attack me with a mini-baseball bat because I've had three bad experiences at Hell in the Cell. Please, that would be so un-White Sox fan like.

Yes it is -- it's ignorance at it's best.  You're taking anecdotal evidence and trying to push it as the norm.  That's utterly ignorant.

Keep trying to back up your dumbass remarks, though -- please.

Ah typical White Sox Fan.

Calling a spade a spade (or in this case, an idiot an idiot)?  I'm okay with that.

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Quote from: CWSKeith on February 26, 2008, 07:08:38 PM
Quote from: marqptm on February 26, 2008, 07:06:36 PM
Quote from: CWSKeith on February 26, 2008, 07:01:57 PM
Quote from: marqptm on February 26, 2008, 04:02:29 PM
Quote from: CWSKeith on February 26, 2008, 03:58:59 PM
Quote from: marqptm on February 26, 2008, 03:47:36 PM
Getting that aside...

Oh yes, getting your complete ignorance about US Cellular and the surrounding neighborhood aside...  I also love your anecdotal evidence -- "this one time I was there and I saw a fight!  goodness me!"

Yes -- all of us Sox fans and southsiders are William Ligue Jr types who love to get drunk and brawl.  In fact, I think he's being added to the LF wall this season.  Gosh do I love pointless generalizations and trolling comments.

It's not ignorance when you've experience it three times.

I applaud the surrounding areas for getting better if it has. I cannot say I've been down there more than once in the past 8 years.

CWSKeith, please don't attack me with a mini-baseball bat because I've had three bad experiences at Hell in the Cell. Please, that would be so un-White Sox fan like.

Yes it is -- it's ignorance at it's best.  You're taking anecdotal evidence and trying to push it as the norm.  That's utterly ignorant.

Keep trying to back up your dumbass remarks, though -- please.

Ah typical White Sox Fan.

Calling a spade a spade (or in this case, an idiot an idiot)?  I'm okay with that.

Sure, as long as I'm not coaching 1st base.

CWSKeith

I'd hope to God you're not this ignorant outside of a message board. 

spiral97

Once a warrior always a warrior.. even if the feathers must now come with a beak.

reinko

sounds like a few people in this thread have beer muscles  ;D

But as a Boston transplant, I totally agree about the dumpiness of Fenway.  $100 for a scalped bleacher ticket, $9 beers, $7 fenway franks, every game hearing "yankees suck cheers, no matter who they are playing...i could go on

the only lasting memory, is the picture below of me taken off of my TiVo going over the tarp for a foul ball during the Pedro return game 2 years ago...and yes, the d-bag behind snagged it away from me...

i'm still bitter

IAmMarquette

Quote from: marqptm on February 26, 2008, 04:38:06 PM
Quote from: MUDish on February 26, 2008, 04:33:58 PM
There isn't even the slightest chance the Cubs will play a home game in Miller Park. Hell will freeze over before this ever happens.

Once the Illinois Sports Facilities Authority (the one's who are pushing these changes) buys Wrigley Field, if you think they'll let revenue get outside of the state or (even moreso) a facility they own, you are insane.

If this does go down, Cubs fans better get used to The Cell.



Good call. Didn't make the connection.


Regardless of whoever buys the Cubs, I just can't see the Brewers allowing their chief divisional rival to play home games at Miller Park. Probably not on the same level, but (and imagine for a minute that Chicago was nearer to St. Louis) do you think the Cardinals would let the Cubs use Busch Stadium? If the scenario was reversed, would the Cubs let the Cards play home games at Wrigley? Could be wrong, but I don't see it happening.

NavinRJohnson

I agree it would be unlikely, but I think you may have it backwards. I'm assuming the Brewers for example would be all too happy to take the Cubs money. I think the Cubs not wanting to give it to them might be a bigger issue that would prevent something like this. Unless baseball were to step in, which I suppose is possible, there is no question who would have the leverage when it comes to negotiating the arrangement.

Dish

It's not even that it's unlikely. It flat out won't happen. Period.

The ISFA, Blago, Daley, Madigan will absolutely not let a single Cubs game leave the state of Illinois. Not happening.

When I worked for the Bears, internally we wanted the 2002 season to be played in South Bend, not Champaign. Do you know how fast and quickly that idea got nixed?

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Quote from: MUDish on February 27, 2008, 08:45:03 AM
It's not even that it's unlikely. It flat out won't happen. Period.

The ISFA, Blago, Daley, Madigan will absolutely not let a single Cubs game leave the state of Illinois. Not happening.

When I worked for the Bears, internally we wanted the 2002 season to be played in South Bend, not Champaign. Do you know how fast and quickly that idea got nixed?

Bears at ND would have been awesome.

BrewCity83

The shaka sign, sometimes known as "hang loose", is a gesture of friendly intent often associated with Hawaii and surf culture.

PuertoRicanNightmare

By the way, the White Sox DID play a handful of home games in Milwaukee years ago.

Dish

The Sox did play some games in Milwaukee in the late 60's, but that was completely different, as there was no Brew Crew yet.

Some could argue that if it wasn't for those White Sox games in Milwaukee, the Brewers might not be there today.


Dish

The next three-four years will be very interesting for the Cubs brand and their fans. Within that time, they'll have gone through three ownership people/groups (Trib, Zell, TBD), a new name to their ball park, perhaps a year on the South Side, with perhaps a "new" ball park.

I've never understood the people up in arms about changing the name. As a Sox fan, I still call our place Comiskey form time to time, or Sox park, or just The Cell. I don't know of any Sox fan who calls it US Cellular Field. Changing the name made it a better park, and in part a better product on the field.

Even though I'm not a Cubs fan, I'd probably still call the place Wrigley, as I would imagine most Cubs fans would.

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I was pretty upset about changing the name. I thought Wrigley would stay put like Fenway and Yankee in their respected stadiums. What really doesn't make sense to me is that Zell is going to sell the naming rights, he's going to collect the cash on it, and then sell it off to someone else. Meaning, the naming of the field won't actually help the stadium or the team.

However, I think it will be done respectfully. Wrigley will stay in the name.
Motorola presents Wrigley Field
Motorola Park at Wrigley Field
Empire Carpet at Wrigley Field
I think it will be something along those lines.

However, I will throw away all reservations if it becomes Peter Francis Geraci Field.

Brewer Fans have it well, Miller Park is a great corporate named stadium. It is a naming right contract right?

jmayer1

Quote from: marqptm on February 27, 2008, 12:39:37 PM
I was pretty upset about changing the name. I thought Wrigley would stay put like Fenway and Yankee in their respected stadiums. What really doesn't make sense to me is that Zell is going to sell the naming rights, he's going to collect the cash on it, and then sell it off to someone else. Meaning, the naming of the field won't actually help the stadium or the team.

However, I think it will be done respectfully. Wrigley will stay in the name.
Motorola presents Wrigley Field
Motorola Park at Wrigley Field
Empire Carpet at Wrigley Field
I think it will be something along those lines.

However, I will throw away all reservations if it becomes Peter Francis Geraci Field.

Brewer Fans have it well, Miller Park is a great corporate named stadium. It is a naming right contract right?

Yes, Miller Park is named after the Brewery.

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Quote from: jmayer1 on February 27, 2008, 01:14:54 PM
Quote from: marqptm on February 27, 2008, 12:39:37 PM
I was pretty upset about changing the name. I thought Wrigley would stay put like Fenway and Yankee in their respected stadiums. What really doesn't make sense to me is that Zell is going to sell the naming rights, he's going to collect the cash on it, and then sell it off to someone else. Meaning, the naming of the field won't actually help the stadium or the team.

However, I think it will be done respectfully. Wrigley will stay in the name.
Motorola presents Wrigley Field
Motorola Park at Wrigley Field
Empire Carpet at Wrigley Field
I think it will be something along those lines.

However, I will throw away all reservations if it becomes Peter Francis Geraci Field.

Brewer Fans have it well, Miller Park is a great corporate named stadium. It is a naming right contract right?

Yes, Miller Park is named after the Brewery.

Did a little research... Miller is paying 2.1 million a year through 2010. If you want to see other naming contracts: http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/stadiumnames.html

2.1 million is nothing compared to Citi's 20 million for the Mets new stadium.

Pakuni

Really, what's the big deal here?
The Cubs home field has had a corporate name since 1927. It's just that the Wrigley Company didn't have to pay to have its name slapped on the side of the building. (Note: Wrigley Field wasn't always Wrigley Field).

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Quote from: Pakuni on February 27, 2008, 02:24:15 PM
Really, what's the big deal here?
The Cubs home field has had a corporate name since 1927. It's just that the Wrigley Company didn't have to pay to have its name slapped on the side of the building. (Note: Wrigley Field wasn't always Wrigley Field).

(Note: Wrigley Field was named to honor William Wrigley. Not after a company.)

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