Sean coming soon?

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

[GoldenEagles03]

How big of a risk is it for a team to offer one of its 15 roster/scholarship spots to a kid who you're projecting to be the starting point guard in a program that has a very good chance to be a top 2 seed for the third straight season?

I would think pretty large. By the time he plays his next game it will be almost 2 years since he has last played.

[GoldenEagles03]

Would Ohio St really turn up it's nose at our 2025-26 leading scorer, or is someone just intentionally stirring the pot with overly hot takes again.

Once you realize that GE is always going to take the extreme position just to be contrarian its easier to laugh off his takes.  Fears Radford because he knows nobody else does. Thinks Royce stretches the floor because nobody else does.  Thinks Sean will be the leading scorer next year because nobody else does. etc. etc. etc. 

I didn't fear Radford. I said they could give MU a game similar to New Hampshire because they had old players and it was the 1st game of the year.

I am not the only one that thinks Royce stretches the floor.

I never said Sean would be the leading scorer. I said he could contend for it. Said Chase and  Ben have the inside track at that.

Your reading comprehensive is either severely lacking (which is fine)...or you just like to put words into the mouths of others by spinning their posts into ways that they never intended. You are the one being extreme by twisting every post and adding your own spin to them.

I could say it is cold outside...and you'd follow up with GE said it is never going to get above freezing in Wisconsin ever again.

[Its DJOver]

1. It ain't just me that's challenged your "unique" takes. Plenty of folks have questioned your views, I'm just the only one that has said that I think you're doing it intentionally.

2. I absolutely LOVE the fact that you say that I put words in your mouth then immediately run an imaginary scenario where you tell me exactly what I'd say.  It's currently cold in Wisconsin, my thermostat reads 29.

[GoldenEagles03]

1. It ain't just me that's challenged your "unique" takes. Plenty of folks have questioned your views, I'm just the only one that has said that I think you're doing it intentionally.

2. I absolutely LOVE the fact that you say that I put words in your mouth then immediately run an imaginary scenario where you tell me exactly what I'd say.  It's currently cold in Wisconsin, my thermostat reads 29.

It is normal to challenge a take. It is abnormal to challenge a take that you added your own twist to and made up in your own head or completely and intentionally ignored the main basis of...but you do you!

[Its DJOver]

LOL. 5 other posters challenge your takes in the last few pages, I don't need to add any twists for them to be viewed as wild.  The general consensus is that they're wild.  but you do you.

[GoldenEagles03]

LOL. 5 other posters challenge your takes in the last few pages, I don't need to add any twists for them to be viewed as wild.  The general consensus is that they're wild.  but you do you.

So I say Radford could keep it close on Marquette for the 1st game of the season in 2022...it was a single digit game at half...and a 7 point game with 2 minutes left...and you find the need to keep bringing it up why?

I said Sean could contend to lead the team in scoring BUT Chase or Ben have the inside track...and you decide to spin it to "GE said Sean will lead the team in scoring" why?

Just curious. If you disagree with things fine, but why be an asswhole about it?

[Its DJOver]

So were back at the point where you accuse me of attacking you/resort to calling names? This is part of the reason that I engage, I know that you have bad takes, and I know that as soon as your bad takes get questioned at all you're either going to shift goalposts or play the victim. Everyone else is questioning your bad takes too, but you only seem to care when I do.

[GoldenEagles03]

So were back at the point where you accuse me of attacking you/resort to calling names? This is part of the reason that I engage, I know that you have bad takes, and I know that as soon as your bad takes get questioned at all you're either going to shift goalposts or play the victim. Everyone else is questioning your bad takes too, but you only seem to care when I do.

Lol. Ok.

Saying Radford would keep it close (when they did), Sean Jones could contend to lead the team in scoring, Royce Parham stretches the floor as a 6'8" stretch 4 all bothered you that much. Got it.

[Hards Alumni]

[Its DJOver]

I mean, Dom had a 33% assist rate as a freshman vs a 18% to rate. Sean was 14/21. You can call it position less but our other ball handlers the past two years have insane assist rates. Sean is just an extremely limited offensive player so far. Just because one of his many limitations (3%) is similar to Dom's Achilles heel doesn't make them similar players.

As very astute observation, completely agree.

I think it's also difficult to make realistic comparisons when usage rates are as drastically different as they are.  For example, I would bet that the number of shots Sean has had to take because of the shot clock winding down is very low. He may initiate the offense when he's in the game, but the vast majority of the time he was out there with at least one of TKO/Oso/Kam, even Jop, who would be the guys forcing up difficult shots at the end of possessions.

The Amigos era, it was one of those three that was forcing it in a difficult situation.  I also would guess that there were just more situations in general where a "shot clock 3" had to be attempted due to Crean's offense of "Wes/Dom/Rel run a 3-man weave for 25 seconds".

All-in-all, quite a poor comparison IMO, but if someone disagrees with me, I won't accuse them of attacking me.

[The Sultan]

That's how I remember it.  It wasn't that he WOULD have been drafted after his freshman year.  It's that his stock was at its highest point after his freshman year.

Correct. He was never going to be drafted. This is all about how he performed next to expectations.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

1. It ain't just me that's challenged your "unique" takes. Plenty of folks have questioned your views, I'm just the only one that has said that I think you're doing it intentionally.

2. I absolutely LOVE the fact that you say that I put words in your mouth then immediately run an imaginary scenario where you tell me exactly what I'd say.  It's currently cold in Wisconsin, my thermostat reads 29.

And I thought I kept it cold in my house at 63 degrees!

[brewcity77]

Dominic James is probably in my Top 5 of favorite MU players. I know exactly what he was. Defense was elite but he got worse offensively every year.

I think you're equating ppg too much with improvement. I think a lot of James' improvement is the stuff you don't see in the box score coupled with the very clear steps forward that McNeal, Matthews, and Hayward were making alongside him. Those three had clear measurable improvements in terms of better efficiency, increased usage, and higher counting stats.

When you look strictly at raw numbers and see three guys at 16+ ppg in James' senior year while he was at a career low 11.0, I do understand the inclination to say he got worse. But he didn't. He had a lower usage but basically stayed the same player. He was always around a 30% 3PFG% guy, around 30% assist rate, mid to high-40s eFG%. Efficiency never really changed much. I do think he tried to force things too much as a sophomore, but James recognized that the better options offensively were McNeal and Matthews as he got older, which let him defer more.

He didn't get worse, he just didn't take as large a step forward as his peers, and because they got so much better he didn't need to so it allowed him to defer more in terms of usage rate. Where he did improve was on the defensive end. He was the best man defender we ever had, particularly on the perimeter. Our losing streak was a rotating door of guys James would've been guarding that beat us: A.J. Price, Andre McGee, Levance Fields, Jonny Flynn.

As far as Sean as an eventual leading scorer, I don't see it, but wouldn't totally rule it out. I think the way the team is set up, Parham is the guy I would peg as our leading scorer next year. I'd love it to be Chase or Owens, and they might be more efficient, but if Parham is getting starter minutes with the way he likes to shoot it, he would be the guy I expect to top the ppg chart.

[GoldenEagles03]

I think you're equating ppg too much with improvement. I think a lot of James' improvement is the stuff you don't see in the box score coupled with the very clear steps forward that McNeal, Matthews, and Hayward were making alongside him. Those three had clear measurable improvements in terms of better efficiency, increased usage, and higher counting stats.

When you look strictly at raw numbers and see three guys at 16+ ppg in James' senior year while he was at a career low 11.0, I do understand the inclination to say he got worse. But he didn't. He had a lower usage but basically stayed the same player. He was always around a 30% 3PFG% guy, around 30% assist rate, mid to high-40s eFG%. Efficiency never really changed much. I do think he tried to force things too much as a sophomore, but James recognized that the better options offensively were McNeal and Matthews as he got older, which let him defer more.

He didn't get worse, he just didn't take as large a step forward as his peers, and because they got so much better he didn't need to so it allowed him to defer more in terms of usage rate. Where he did improve was on the defensive end. He was the best man defender we ever had, particularly on the perimeter. Our losing streak was a rotating door of guys James would've been guarding that beat us: A.J. Price, Andre McGee, Levance Fields, Jonny Flynn.

As far as Sean as an eventual leading scorer, I don't see it, but wouldn't totally rule it out. I think the way the team is set up, Parham is the guy I would peg as our leading scorer next year. I'd love it to be Chase or Owens, and they might be more efficient, but if Parham is getting starter minutes with the way he likes to shoot it, he would be the guy I expect to top the ppg chart.

Good points.

I'll go with Chase as the leading scorer but could totally see Royce. I just mentioned Sean having the ability to contend for that top spot because I really like his game and he will have the best ability on the roster of creating his own offense.

I just wanted to make a point to say he could contend for that spot because it seemed like he was being undervalued on here.