Predatory 'lones

[BM1090]

More like a separate subject than a scape goat for this game.  He has not played well offensively this year or last and does not show much promise to this point.  Hope his shoulder heals and that is the reason for his ineffectiveness.  Time will tell.

He needs to knock down some shots. His handle is pretty good but teams aren't attacking closeouts. He has the occasional strong take a finish. We've ween some reverses and bully ball at the rim from him in small doses.

Until he shows he can knock down jumpers he's going to continue to be ineffective.

[Elonsmusk]

He needs to knock down some shots. His handle is pretty good but teams aren't attacking closeouts. He has the occasional strong take a finish. We've ween some reverses and bully ball at the rim from him in small doses.

Until he shows he can knock down jumpers he's going to continue to be ineffective.

Tre is a great team guy, great spirit, and I feel has a lot of respect among his teammates and coaches.  Thus far, he hasn't shown a whole lot as far as being anything more than a 5-10 minute reserve.  If he's okay with that role and remains having a positive attitude/infectious energy, he's the ideal guy to have on the roster as a 9-10th man. 

Just don't see a whole lot of upside potential to his game given his physical tools beyond what we've seen so far - occasional bully ball bucket, some decent defense, and a perhaps a slighly + rebounder from the guard position.

[wadesworld]

I don't see a win in either of the next 2 if Chase is out.

The Freshman are awesome, but the performances last night go out the window and UW and Dayton are very upper classmen oriented. A lot of experience while we rely on youth to fill the holes. Could be some good games if we can have 8 healthy guys, but idk about wins.

We could have prime NBA Dwyane Wade, prime NBA Jimmy Butler, prime Jae Crowder, prime Markus Howard, prime Lazar Hayward, prime Travis Diener, prime Steve Novak, prime Robert Jackson, prime Kolek, prime Oso, prime Kam, prime Wes Matthews, and prime Jerel McNeal all on the roster this year and you wouldn't see a win over the Badgers.

The freshman can't perform like they did last night because we'll be playing veteran teams?  As if Iowa State isn't a veteran team, on its home floor?

[The Sultan]

I don't see a win in either of the next 2 if Chase is out.

This feels like an over-statement.

[Shooter McGavin]

Chase will pull a Kolek at Illinois, play with a sprained ankle and have his best game against the Badgers. Legacy game. 




 

[Goose]

Winning the next two with or without Chase is a decent task. That said, I 100% believe they can win both without Chase.

[Uncle Rico]

I fully expect them to beat Wisconsin at home even if Chase is out.

Pretty confident they beat both now that GoldenBummer weighed in

[The Sultan]

Pretty sure the team is going to be pumped simply so Viper won't be mercilessly ridiculed by his brother in law at Christmas.

[brewcity77]

Go to evanmiya. Look at Marquettes roster. Short by changes over the season. Not only has Kam improved more offensivly than joplin has defensivily. Kam has improved defensivly more than Joplin has defensivly.

Kam is a top 4 player in college basketball.

Jops on Chase and Bens tier, not Kam.

Jops defensive floor is worse than all three of our guards, and slightly better than Ben's and Royce's (who was a freshman know for offense).

Advanced statistics do a poor job capturing defense, but especially in this case. As a freshman, Kam was active defensively. He wasn't great, but his hands were up, the effort was there, he worked to go over screens. At this time last year, Jop didn't even have his hands up routinely. He took a major turn midseason last year where you could see the effort increase, his hands up getting deflections. Pretty sure the staff saw it too because he went from cracking 30+ minutes just twice in the first seventeen games to twelve times in the last twenty.

Kam always had the effort, but improved his technique. Joplin improved in both regards. He's not remotely the same defensive player he was 1-2 years ago. And in terms of replacement value, there is no one on the bench who can remotely come close to matching the level of defense Jop provides at his position. Kam is irreplaceable offensively, but we have defenders (Zaide) that can more than make up for his defensive impact.

[BM1090]

Advanced statistics do a poor job capturing defense, but especially in this case. As a freshman, Kam was active defensively. He wasn't great, but his hands were up, the effort was there, he worked to go over screens. At this time last year, Jop didn't even have his hands up routinely. He took a major turn midseason last year where you could see the effort increase, his hands up getting deflections. Pretty sure the staff saw it too because he went from cracking 30+ minutes just twice in the first seventeen games to twelve times in the last twenty.

Kam always had the effort, but improved his technique. Joplin improved in both regards. He's not remotely the same defensive player he was 1-2 years ago. And in terms of replacement value, there is no one on the bench who can remotely come close to matching the level of defense Jop provides at his position. Kam is irreplaceable offensively, but we have defenders (Zaide) that can more than make up for his defensive impact.

I agree with most of this, but I'd argue Zaide could guard Jop's position in most matchups.

[GoldenEagles03]

Chase will pull a Kolek at Illinois, play with a sprained ankle and have his best game against the Badgers. Legacy game. 




 

I'm hopeful he will be able to play. Being left handed he jumps off his right foot most of the time and he sprained his left.

As long as they can get swelling down I think he would probably give it a go too.

[jfp61]

Advanced statistics do a poor job capturing defense.

in terms of replacement value, there is no one on the bench who can remotely come close to matching the level of defense Jop provides at his position.

First we were talking about improvement, they have improved similarly on defense, and Kam improving offensivly is turbo charging this team well the other guy is doing worse than he was supposed to.

Statistics do a poor job capturing defense because defensive box score provides very little beneficial informaiton about the players ability to defend. Steals are the only defensive stat that have a "large" box score impact. Blocks are no different from any other non steal generating deflection. And defensive rebounding is very much a team stat. (a good example of this is brook lopez in the NBA, who puts a body on a body as much as anyone and lets others grab the board.)

Additoinally a major part of defense is avoiding home run turnovers, something joplin and zaide struggle with, and somethign Kam avoids. It is the reason their defense, from an advanced perspective, doesn't look as good as it should for either of them. Because you can't seggregate that to a run out to being an offensive issue.

The best player on our bench is clearly Royce Parham through 9 games. If we are talking replacments. The only viable replacement would be inserting Royce into the lineup. That fits Joplin more than it even fits Gold. I am not calling for this to happen, yet. But it makes more sense than throwing zaide out there in any capacity.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I thought about it.  Seemed too cliche' to me.

*Sigh* Clones

[Spotcheck Billy]

Not a single blip watching ESPN+ on Xfinity...

Not a blip at all for me on Spectrum either, strange that my boss has Spectrum but mine includes Disney+ and ESPN+ where his doesn't.

[WolfganghisKhan]

Jop just thinks he's LeBron sometimes which causes the mass frustration. Just shoot threes and have the occasional post up.

[Its DJOver]

In Jops defense, that's pretty much all he did his Freshman season when he was labeled a chucker. He is who he is, I don't foresee him changing much at this point.

[brewcity77]

First we were talking about improvement, they have improved similarly on defense, and Kam improving offensivly is turbo charging this team well the other guy is doing worse than he was supposed to.

Sorry, but that is laughably inaccurate, going all the way back to his first public practice at Marquette:

Kam Jones was the biggest surprise for me as well. Confident with the ball, a creative scorer, and a pest on defense.

Joplin isn't afraid to shoot but his defense looked to be the farthest behind of anyone.

I was at that practice. I watched Kam go at Morsell back and forth. You could see him learning how to fight through screens, how to get in the way, as TAMU said, to be a pest. Joplin had none of that. He just shot with little regard for the other end. You yourself noted that he was our worst defender:

The bigger problem at the end of last year was the guard defense. Mitchell was the only Rapm  negative guard in the past few games of the season. Kolek defense took a major downturn late. Morsells defense was questionable all year for his pedigree. And kam was lost. Now Joplin or a freshman in gold will have to play more defense. Joplin was probably our worst defender last year.

His defense has been a constant talking point in a way Kam's never was:

Because Joplin is a negative defensively

i agree with all of this, i am probably as low on Joplin as anyone one... at the same time he is such a good outside shooter it  largely doesn't matter.

He'll just be Davante Gardner on the wing...

...I will be annoying sing the defense slip, but it might be the best path staying good.

Joplin is such an offensive spark plug but his defense makes him borderline unplayable

Bench play will be our death


Sean Jones-8, Chase Ross (who shot well) -10, David Joplin -16.

Stevie +20 Oso+15

Kam has improved. The idea that he's improved as much on the defensive end as Joplin flies in the face of what everyone, including yourself on multiple occasions, has observed. Kam will be a first-round pick because his offense has improved tremendously and his defensive prowess now matches the defensive effort he put in as a freshman.

But as far as Jop, I'm overjoyed with where he is now because he has a defensive floor that keeps him on the court whether or not his shot is falling. I get frustrated with the offensive inconsistencies and the turnovers, but considering where he started on defense, his development is tremendous.

[Jay Bee]

#defensivly

Jolp - love the dr%, stl%, blk%, not fouling much

#defensivly

[Newsdreams]

We could have prime NBA Dwyane Wade, prime NBA Jimmy Butler, prime Jae Crowder, prime Markus Howard, prime Lazar Hayward, prime Travis Diener, prime Steve Novak, prime Robert Jackson, prime Kolek, prime Oso, prime Kam, prime Wes Matthews, and prime Jerel McNeal all on the roster this year and you wouldn't see a win over the Badgers.

The freshman can't perform like they did last night because we'll be playing veteran teams?  As if Iowa State isn't a veteran team, on its home floor?

Gard owns Shaka

[MU82]

We could have prime NBA Dwyane Wade, prime NBA Jimmy Butler, prime Jae Crowder, prime Markus Howard, prime Lazar Hayward, prime Travis Diener, prime Steve Novak, prime Robert Jackson, prime Kolek, prime Oso, prime Kam, prime Wes Matthews, and prime Jerel McNeal all on the roster this year and you wouldn't see a win over the Badgers.

In GE03's defense, he wouldn't pick that team to beat Georgia Tech, either.

[GoldenEagles03]

In GE03's defense, he wouldn't pick that team to beat Georgia Tech, either.

In GE03's defense, he wouldn't pick that team to beat Georgia Tech, either.

In GE03's defense, he wouldn't pick that team to beat Georgia Tech, either.

In GE03's defense, he wouldn't pick that team to beat Georgia Tech, either.

You guys are goofy.

Marquette hasn't beat UW in front of a crowd in like 7 years. UW is good and I would like to beat them, but I just don't like the matchup.

[wadesworld]

You guys are goofy.

Marquette hasn't beat UW in front of a crowd in like 7 years. UW is good and I would like to beat them, but I just don't like the matchup.

Oh no!

[MU82]

You guys are goofy.

Marquette hasn't beat UW in front of a crowd in like 7 years. UW is good and I would like to beat them, but I just don't like the matchup.

Yes, everyone is goofy except for the guy who loves to say Madison "always finds a way to get it done" while conveniently ignoring all the times they don't find a way to get it done.

[GoldenEagles03]

Yes, everyone is goofy except for the guy who loves to say Madison "always finds a way to get it done" while conveniently ignoring all the times they don't find a way to get it done.

They do. They always have a subpar roster and find a way to win Big games and dance.

That is getting it done with the limited talent they have.

[MU82]

They do. They always have a subpar roster and find a way to win Big games and dance.

That is getting it done with the limited talent they have.

Yep, they even got it done Tuesday. Because they always do.

Always. Even in 2022-23. Finished 11th, but they got it done in some big NIT games.

Anyhoo, they appreciate your devotion to their always-getting-it-doneness.