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Billy Hoyle

#175
March 04, 2025, 08:59:30 PM Last Edit: March 04, 2025, 09:13:58 PM by Billy Hoyle
So, next coach at Nova?

Texas will be searching as well
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MuggsyB

#176
March 04, 2025, 10:50:27 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 04, 2025, 08:59:30 PMSo, next coach at Nova?

Texas will be searching as well

That's a tough call. 

WhiteTrash

#177
March 05, 2025, 09:09:05 AM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 04, 2025, 08:59:30 PMSo, next coach at Nova?

Texas will be searching as well
Shaka to Texas!

The Sultan

#179
March 05, 2025, 09:53:00 AM
Quote from: MUbiz on March 05, 2025, 09:47:47 AMBased on these numbers, I would say Neptune is back next year: https://www.sportscasting.com/news/kyle-neptune-buyout-contract-salary-how-much-will-it-cost-villanova-to-fire-their-basketball-coach

They very well could make the argument that he needs one more year, but if they wanted to they could find the money to make a change.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Billy Hoyle

#180
March 05, 2025, 09:58:53 AM
Quote from: MUbiz on March 05, 2025, 09:47:47 AMBased on these numbers, I would say Neptune is back next year: https://www.sportscasting.com/news/kyle-neptune-buyout-contract-salary-how-much-will-it-cost-villanova-to-fire-their-basketball-coach

Nova has plenty of donors with deep pockets. Many people didn't think MU would pull the trigger on Wojo because of his buyout but leadership realized waiting another year could/would have adverse effects on the program (despite a strong recruiting class) and found the money. Nova only has one player signed for 2025, the son of a former player, Malik Allen. Another year of Neptune will further harm the program.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

WhiteTrash

#181
March 05, 2025, 11:28:21 AM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 05, 2025, 09:58:53 AMNova has plenty of donors with deep pockets. Many people didn't think MU would pull the trigger on Wojo because of his buyout but leadership realized waiting another year could/would have adverse effects on the program (despite a strong recruiting class) and found the money. Nova only has one player signed for 2025, the son of a former player, Malik Allen. Another year of Neptune will further harm the program.
I agree with this. If Neptune comes back it is because they still believe in him, not because of money.

SaveOD238

#182
March 05, 2025, 11:40:20 AM
Honestly, I always had the sense that Villanova always knew that Neptune would be just the "guy after the legend" that doesn't come close to matching the previous success.  Nobody wants to be the guy after the legend, and Nova just bought in to that theory.

Instead, they're looking for (and always have been looking for) the NEXT guy.  Does Nova know who that is? Is that guy available right now?  If the answers to those questions are yes, then an $8M buyout is peanuts.  If they don't, why not wait one more year?
 

The Sultan

#184
March 05, 2025, 11:52:26 AM
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 05, 2025, 11:40:20 AMHonestly, I always had the sense that Villanova always knew that Neptune would be just the "guy after the legend" that doesn't come close to matching the previous success.  Nobody wants to be the guy after the legend, and Nova just bought in to that theory.

Instead, they're looking for (and always have been looking for) the NEXT guy.  Does Nova know who that is? Is that guy available right now?  If the answers to those questions are yes, then an $8M buyout is peanuts.  If they don't, why not wait one more year?
 

I agree with your first paragraph - they basically let Wright choose his successor, and that guy was Neptune.

But I think the second paragraph is odd. If they know who the next guy they are targetting, why wouldn't he be available now but then be available at some point in the future? I think if you don't think Neptune is the guy, you cut the cord and run your search. If the main target says "no," you just go elsewhere.
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MU82

#185
March 05, 2025, 02:39:31 PM
Quote from: MUbiz on March 05, 2025, 09:47:47 AMBased on these numbers, I would say Neptune is back next year: https://www.sportscasting.com/news/kyle-neptune-buyout-contract-salary-how-much-will-it-cost-villanova-to-fire-their-basketball-coach

That's a really, really, really bad contract - it's a borderline fire-able offense for the person that approved it.

I'd love to know Villanova's justification for giving that kind of money and buy-out to a guy who had one bad season of coaching experience at a mid-major.

You give that kind of deal to somebody so you can get him before one of his many other suitors do. But in this case, there were no other suitors.

Big credit to Neptune's agent, though!
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The Sultan

#186
March 05, 2025, 02:44:32 PM
Quote from: MU82 on March 05, 2025, 02:39:31 PMThat's a really, really, really bad contract - it's a borderline fire-able offense for the person that approved it.

Good thing that guy left Villanova for Northwestern just months after giving that contract.  They have a new AD in place now.
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MU82

#187
March 05, 2025, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on March 05, 2025, 02:44:32 PMGood thing that guy left Villanova for Northwestern just months after giving that contract.  They have a new AD in place now.

Thanks for that info.

For Northwestern's sake, here's hoping he has learned a few things from a massive error like that contract.
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The Sultan

#188
March 05, 2025, 03:01:56 PM
That new AD is also a reason why a change may be made this year.
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Shaka Shart

#189
March 05, 2025, 03:14:48 PM
If they want good recruiting classes, Nova should take a swing on Wojo
" There are two things I can consistently smell.    Poop and Chlorine.  All poop smells like acrid baby poop mixed with diaper creme. And almost anything that smells remotely like poop; porta-johns, water filtration plants, fertilizer, etc., smells exactly the same." - Tower912

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Newsdreams

#190
March 05, 2025, 03:23:25 PM
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 05, 2025, 03:14:48 PMIf they want good recruiting classes, Nova should take a swing on Wojo
Left or right cheek?
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Shaka Shart

#191
March 05, 2025, 03:29:13 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 05, 2025, 03:23:25 PMLeft or right cheek?

Please go to confession before game time.
" There are two things I can consistently smell.    Poop and Chlorine.  All poop smells like acrid baby poop mixed with diaper creme. And almost anything that smells remotely like poop; porta-johns, water filtration plants, fertilizer, etc., smells exactly the same." - Tower912

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Newsdreams

#192
March 05, 2025, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 05, 2025, 03:29:13 PMPlease go to confession before game time.
No I'm evil, been drinking. Will watch game at a bar from this forsaken evil party ship.
Goal is National Championship
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Shaka Shart

#193
March 05, 2025, 03:42:27 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 05, 2025, 03:35:58 PMNo I'm evil, been drinking. Will watch game at a bar from this forsaken evil party ship.

I will put in an SAP requisition for a prayer for you.
" There are two things I can consistently smell.    Poop and Chlorine.  All poop smells like acrid baby poop mixed with diaper creme. And almost anything that smells remotely like poop; porta-johns, water filtration plants, fertilizer, etc., smells exactly the same." - Tower912

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Billy Hoyle

#194
March 05, 2025, 03:44:31 PM
Quote from: MU82 on March 05, 2025, 02:39:31 PMThat's a really, really, really bad contract - it's a borderline fire-able offense for the person that approved it.

I'd love to know Villanova's justification for giving that kind of money and buy-out to a guy who had one bad season of coaching experience at a mid-major.

You give that kind of deal to somebody so you can get him before one of his many other suitors do. But in this case, there were no other suitors.

Big credit to Neptune's agent, though!

How do we know that is accurate though? Since Nova is private they don't have to disclose that information publically.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

MU82

#195
March 05, 2025, 04:54:00 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 05, 2025, 03:44:31 PMHow do we know that is accurate though? Since Nova is private they don't have to disclose that information publically.

I'm guessing it came from the agent. That's how such stuff usually gets put. Or "insiders" - which is how Shaka's info has been available here and elsewhere.

Could it all have been made up? I guess, but there's sure lots of details.
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"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Billy Hoyle

#196
March 05, 2025, 05:49:41 PM
Jai Lucas is the new Miami coach and will leave the Duke staff before the tourney starts as the Transfer Portal opens March 24.

https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/1897414982004040044?t=r14GuH8LJZfMHgb9jEL4iQ&s=19
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Newsdreams

#197
March 05, 2025, 06:31:20 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 05, 2025, 05:49:41 PMJai Lucas is the new Miami coach and will leave the Duke staff before the tourney starts as the Transfer Portal opens March 24.

https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/1897414982004040044?t=r14GuH8LJZfMHgb9jEL4iQ&s=19
The next Woj
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Billy Hoyle

#198
March 05, 2025, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 05, 2025, 06:31:20 PMThe next Woj

Woj, Snyder, Amaker, Henderson...

The most successful former Duke player turned assistant turned HC elsewhere is probably Chris Collins.
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The Sultan

#199
March 05, 2025, 10:14:04 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 05, 2025, 10:13:09 PMWoj, Snyder, Amaker, Henderson...

The most successful former Duke player turned assistant turned HC elsewhere is probably Chris Collins.

Lucas isn't a former Duke player. He's been there just a couple seasons. Played at Texas. Assisted there and at Kentucky.
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