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Pakuni

Quote from: The Sultan on February 19, 2025, 02:23:51 PMThe 2022 stoppage was a pretty minor thing over minor issues - I have no idea who "won" that one. The last one prior to that was 30 years ago.

But the union is considered weak and I think the owners are going to want significant changes to the compensation structure.

Not sure the union matters all that much. Players will be taking their cues from Scott Boras, Joel Wolfe and CAA, not Tony Clark.
And given the rise in salaries, players have never been better positioned to wait out a long stoppage.
Owners wanted significant changes in 1981 and 1994 also. They didn't get them.
Never say never, but historically speaking work stoppages have led to worse outcomes for owners than players.

Jockey

Owners always want to "break' the union. Reinsdorf & Selig always led the charge. Bas as Pak said, it usually didn't go real well for them.

MU82

My money wouldn't be on the owners.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Pakuni

#178
One of baseball's great traditions is no more.
I'm speaking, of course,of the Yankees' ban on beards.


CreightonWarrior

Quote from: Pakuni on February 21, 2025, 08:35:40 AMOne of baseball's great traditions is no more.
I'm speaking, of course,of the Yankees' ban on beards.


RIP to a once strong, proud franchise.

wadesworld

Quote from: Pakuni on February 21, 2025, 08:35:40 AMOne of baseball's great traditions is no more.
I'm speaking, of course,of the Yankees' ban on beards.



Devin Williams was so ugly clean shaven that it finally got the Yankees out of the 19th century.

CreightonWarrior

Quote from: wadesworld on February 21, 2025, 10:13:51 AMDevin Williams was so ugly clean shaven that it finally got the Yankees out of the 19th century.
Hope he didn't punch a wall when he found out the changed they rule right after he shaved.

GB Warrior

Quote from: Pakuni on February 21, 2025, 08:35:40 AMOne of baseball's great traditions is no more.
I'm speaking, of course,of the Yankees' ban on beards.



DEI?

Shaka Shart

For a team trying to build goodwill with the fans, who else would you resign yet again but Mike Clevinger!
" There are two things I can consistently smell.    Poop and Chlorine.  All poop smells like acrid baby poop mixed with diaper creme. And almost anything that smells remotely like poop; porta-johns, water filtration plants, fertilizer, etc., smells exactly the same." - Tower912

Re: COVID-19

Jockey

Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 21, 2025, 04:00:01 PMFor a team trying to build goodwill with the fans, who else would you resign yet again but Mike Clevinger!

But, at least he sucks so he'll fit right in.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 21, 2025, 04:00:01 PMFor a team trying to build goodwill with the fans, who else would you resign yet again but Mike Clevinger!
Based upon their entire body of work the past year, I don't think that is a factual statement. I honestly don't think the Sox or Bulls care one lick about the fans.

GB Warrior

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 21, 2025, 05:18:16 PMBased upon their entire body of work the past year, I don't think that is a factual statement. I honestly don't think the Sox or Bulls care one lick about the fans.

The beatings will continue until morale improves

WhiteTrash

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 21, 2025, 05:32:01 PMThe beatings will continue until morale improves
I could see P Diddy singing the national anthem on opening day for the Sox to get fans back.

Dish

There's no way Justin Ishbia is giving up on buying the Twins to "only" increase his minority share in the Sox. He's most likely getting these shares way below fair market value for the non Reinsdorf family shares, with some type of understanding about the future.


Pakuni

Quote from: Dish on February 22, 2025, 12:18:48 AMThere's no way Justin Ishbia is giving up on buying the Twins to "only" increase his minority share in the Sox. He's most likely getting these shares way below fair market value for the non Reinsdorf family shares, with some type of understanding about the future.



Yep. Matter of when not if.

The Sultan

Quote from: wadesworld on February 21, 2025, 10:13:51 AMDevin Williams was so ugly clean shaven that it finally got the Yankees out of the 19th century.

The Athletic story on this is just something.

"Steinbrenner said he spoke with team leaders Aaron Judge, Gerrit Cole and Giancarlo Stanton, among others, to gather their thoughts on possibly changing the rule. He also spoke with former Yankees and individuals outside of baseball to get their take on whether the most recognizable rule in American sports should change."

I mean, JFC, the policy was dumb to begin with. But you had to check with former Yankees to get their input???  Watch your own sport. Watch a different sport. Just walk down the street for once.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

WhiteTrash

#191
 
Quote from: The Sultan on February 22, 2025, 11:27:59 AMThe Athletic story on this is just something.

"Steinbrenner said he spoke with team leaders Aaron Judge, Gerrit Cole and Giancarlo Stanton, among others, to gather their thoughts on possibly changing the rule. He also spoke with former Yankees and individuals outside of baseball to get their take on whether the most recognizable rule in American sports should change."

I mean, JFC, the policy was dumb to begin with. But you had to check with former Yankees to get their input???  Watch your own sport. Watch a different sport. Just walk down the street for once.
Is this a seminal moment for facial hair social justice? I don't get the interest in this "story".

The Sultan

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 22, 2025, 01:16:27 PMIs this a seminal moment for facial hair social justice? I don't get the interest in this "story".

It's the Yankees.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Dish on February 22, 2025, 12:18:48 AMThere's no way Justin Ishbia is giving up on buying the Twins to "only" increase his minority share in the Sox. He's most likely getting these shares way below fair market value for the non Reinsdorf family shares, with some type of understanding about the future.


If the Reinsdorfs are positioning to exit the Sox, and it sure looks that way, I think the Bulls will be next. All indications in the past were the Bulls are an afterthought that Jerry would sell way before he would sell the Sox.

Interesting years ahead for Chicago team ownerships.

Pakuni

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 22, 2025, 01:57:56 PMIf the Reinsdorfs are positioning to exit the Sox, and it sure looks that way, I think the Bulls will be next. All indications in the past were the Bulls are an afterthought that Jerry would sell way before he would sell the Sox.

Interesting years ahead for Chicago team ownerships.

Jerry definitely cares more about the Sox than the Bulls. Michael, however, is just the opposite. He's been heavily involved in the Bulls for a long time and has little to do with the Sox. I imagine dad is leaving the team to him.
I think the Reinsdorfs' heavy involvement in the private redevelopment of the neighborhood surrounding the UC lends further credence to this. I don't think they're investing their own money - $7 billion between them and the Wirtzes - into that project if the plan is to sell the team anytime soon.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Pakuni on February 22, 2025, 03:36:42 PMJerry definitely cares more about the Sox than the Bulls. Michael, however, is just the opposite. He's been heavily involved in the Bulls for a long time and has little to do with the Sox. I imagine dad is leaving the team to him.
I think the Reinsdorfs' heavy involvement in the private redevelopment of the neighborhood surrounding the UC lends further credence to this. I don't think they're investing their own money - $7 billion between them and the Wirtzes - into that project if the plan is to sell the team anytime soon.
Great points.

GB Warrior

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 22, 2025, 01:16:27 PMIs this a seminal moment for facial hair social justice? I don't get the interest in this "story".

Baseball's player empowerment era

Jockey

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 22, 2025, 01:16:27 PMIs this a seminal moment for facial hair social justice? I don't get the interest in this "story".

It was a really big deal back in the 70s when Steinbrenner did it. He was a real hard-a$$ jerk who wanted to go back to the old days when players had a dress code and strict grooming rules. Once Charlie Finley broke that mold with the A's by allowing players to have long hair, beards, and mustaches, George had to show how tough he was. Baseball's version of Trump - make all the rules and fire people.

The Sultan

Quote from: Jockey on February 22, 2025, 08:13:45 PMIt was a really big deal back in the 70s when Steinbrenner did it. He was a real hard-a$$ jerk who wanted to go back to the old days when players had a dress code and strict grooming rules. Once Charlie Finley broke that mold with the A's by allowing players to have long hair, beards, and mustaches, George had to show how tough he was. Baseball's version of Trump - make all the rules and fire people.


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"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

WhiteTrash

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 22, 2025, 06:22:21 PMBaseball's player empowerment era
The rest of baseball should be worried as the Yankees will finally be able to attract free agents.

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