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What do you expect this year?

More of the same. Top-3 BE, Protected Seed, S16 or better
38 (29%)
C'mon man, we lost TKO and Oso. Fringe Top-25. 6-9 seed. Win our first round game.
71 (54.2%)
C'mon man, WE LOST TKO AND OSO. Bubbly but in. First round exit.
15 (11.5%)
Too many holes/frosh. Sub .500 BE. No dance.
2 (1.5%)
Banner. Anything less is COLE.
3 (2.3%)
Arbys.
2 (1.5%)

Total Members Voted: 131

MUbiz

Great questions Brew. My biggest concern is the interior defense. Massive increase of opponents PPP with BG on the floor and Oso on the bench. I believe it was around 12 points per game more overall.

muwarrior69

#26
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 09, 2024, 08:42:06 AM
Damn it. How many games and how do I get it?

Marquette vs Seton Hall, Depaul and Georgetown; all first-round games and the afternoon quarterfinal games of the BET.

I might have missed one.

swoopem

I'm thinking we'll have a slightly worse regular season and be a 3 or 4 seed but go further in the tournament

San Antonio here we come!
Bring back FFP!!!

MU82

Quote from: Herman Cain on October 09, 2024, 08:44:37 AM
We will have the best player on the floor in almost every game. A kid who score 30 plus, playing within a team concept. We will also have one of the best defensive players in the country. That is an Excellent foundation.

Shaka's team concepts on offense  and focus on defense will ensure the rest of the rotation makes important contributions.

I expect another strong season in the Big East , which will get us in the tournament .

Given that you were one of the most wrong Scoopers last year, I'm now suddenly very concerned about the upcoming season.
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DoctorV

Offense will not be as good- how can it be without TyKo and Oso?

Interior defense will not be as good, I don't think, but perimeter defense will be better.

Rebounding I'm not sure about. I think the added length will help in that department, but Tyler was a great rebounder for a pg and Oso was a bit underwhelming as a 5. When I saw he grabbed 7 boards in 20 NBA mins yesterday I shook my head...
Not sure what'll happen in the rebounding department.

My biggest concern remains the 5 with Ben and Caedin, and if there is a struggle there does Shaka go to a "small" lineup with Jop/Royce at the 5 and how does that work?

I suspect Kam will take his lumps when it comes to poor shooting nights and poor turnover nights, forcing the issue too much with high expectations/pressure sort of thing, but he will be so fantastic overall that it won't matter. His stage of stardom is set.

Stevie will be great as usual. Jop is the x-factor for the season, for good or bad.
The others will do their parts and a few will pleasantly surprise- Owens, Chase, and Zaide being the most likely to take that next leap into the "this dude will be one of the best 3/4 players on this team after the seniors leave" realms. Excited to watch them all try to jump into that level.

Overall, at this point I'd say this team is a 3rd-5th place in the BE type of team.
That should put them safely in the tournament. I'd put mid range 6-9 type seed as more likely than a top 5 seed.
I'm slightly more hopeful than I was a few months ago, and imo that would be a success the year after losing TyKo and Oso.

I've said for a while that if Shaka succeeds the year after losing those two then there's very little to worry about going forward

DoctorV

Offense will not be as good- how can it be without TyKo and Oso?

Interior defense will not be as good, I don't think, but perimeter defense will be better.

Rebounding I'm not sure about. I think the added length will help in that department, but Tyler was a great rebounder for a pg and Oso was a bit underwhelming as a 5. When I saw he grabbed 7 boards in 20 NBA mins yesterday I shook my head...
Not sure what'll happen in the rebounding department.

My biggest concern remains the 5 with Ben and Caedin, and if there is a struggle there does Shaka go to a "small" lineup with Jop/Royce at the 5 and how does that work?

I suspect Kam will take his lumps when it comes to poor shooting nights and poor turnover nights, forcing the issue too much with high expectations/pressure sort of thing, but he will be so fantastic overall that it won't matter. His stage of stardom is set.

Stevie will be great as usual. Jop is the x-factor for the season, for good or bad. Clear off that chicken wing young man.
The others will do their parts and a few will pleasantly surprise- Owens, Chase, and Zaide being the most likely to take that next leap into the "this dude will be one of the best 3/4 players on this team after the seniors leave" realms. Excited to watch them all try to jump into that level.

Overall, at this point I'd say this team is a 3rd-5th place in the BE type of team.
That should put them safely in the tournament. I'd put mid range 6-9 type seed as more likely than a top 5 seed.
I'm slightly more hopeful than I was a few months ago, and imo that would be a success the year after losing TyKo and Oso.

I've said for a while that if Shaka succeeds the year after losing those two then there's very little to worry about going forward

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brewcity77

Quote from: MUbiz on October 09, 2024, 10:33:20 AM
Great questions Brew. My biggest concern is the interior defense. Massive increase of opponents PPP with BG on the floor and Oso on the bench. I believe it was around 12 points per game more overall.

Just looked it up and according to hoop-explorer, with garbage time filtered out, when Gold was out there without Oso, we gave up 68.6 2PFG% at the rim. When Oso was out there, we gave up 51.2%. It's definitely something to keep an eye on (or just cover your eyes).
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: brewcity77 on October 09, 2024, 03:54:43 PM
Just looked it up and according to hoop-explorer, with garbage time filtered out, when Gold was out there without Oso, we gave up 68.6 2PFG% at the rim. When Oso was out there, we gave up 51.2%. It's definitely something to keep an eye on (or just cover your eyes).

#longseason
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CTWarrior

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2024, 03:57:06 PM
#longseason
I said fringe top 25, win one in the NCAAs because I trust in Shaka.  We know what we have in Kam Jones, Mitchell, Joplin and Gold.  Everyone else, in my mind, is a question mark, including Ross.  I think he needs to take a big stride forward for us to be good.  I don't think the four listed above are going to improve appreciably (maybe some more consistency from Jop), but we're gonna need two or three of the guys not in the starting lineup turn out to be useful guys for us to be good.
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Holy hell all time

Quote from: CTWarrior on October 09, 2024, 04:08:08 PM
I said fringe top 25, win one in the NCAAs because I trust in Shaka.  We know what we have in Kam Jones, Mitchell, Joplin and Gold.  Everyone else, in my mind, is a question mark, including Ross.  I think he needs to take a big stride forward for us to be good.  I don't think the four listed above are going to improve appreciably (maybe some more consistency from Jop), but we're gonna need two or three of the guys not in the starting lineup turn out to be useful guys for us to be good.

I don't know that he WILL take the big jump, but I don't think we can say for sure that we "know what we have" from Ben Gold.  He's stepping into a completely new role.

BM1090

Quote from: Jay Bee on October 09, 2024, 08:42:06 AM
Damn it. How many games and how do I get it?

It's easy and it's actually a pretty good streaming service.

MurphysTillClose

Craving willie golden eagle's take on this year's team. Need it.

brewcity77

Quote from: Jay Bee on October 09, 2024, 08:42:06 AM
Damn it. How many games and how do I get it?

It's basically the same as needing cable in the 90s or a sports package in the 2000s to see all your games. Just a matter of keeping up with the times. My guess is the presentation will be better than CBSSN. These are the Peacock games:

Nov 8: George Mason
Jan 21: @ Seton Hall
Feb 11: DePaul
Mar 1: @ Georgetown

Also have Iowa State on ESPN+, so that's streaming only, and there's still no TV carrier (network or streaming) for Georgia.
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rocket surgeon

at this point, i have to trust shaka.  my issues however, are depth.  we don't have much room for error and/or injuries.  unless # 8, 9 10 off the bench step up and surprise us.  shaka has an uncanny ability to get all of HIS players to buy into the concept of TEAM MU. 

we can talk and prognosticate till the manatees come home... unless i see anything that disputes my faith in shaka, i'm just going to have to sit back and watch
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Shooter McGavin

Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2024, 05:05:02 PM
I don't know that he WILL take the big jump, but I don't think we can say for sure that we "know what we have" from Ben Gold.  He's stepping into a completely new role.

Biggest X factor to stay near where we were last year and not take a step back. 

Viper

#41
IF each returning player improves YOY...whether that's improved shooting, improved D, rebounding, ball handling or simply playing with more confidence and assertiveness...each player has a different area of needed improvement...AND if Hamilton can offer quality minutes of D and boards, and if DO has some impactability off the bench, MU can be a top 3 BE team and easily a 5 or 6 seed. I know, I pretty much covered the bases, but status quo in player development won't cut it. Worst case I think MU is still 5th in-conference, and a 8-seed ncaa. From there, and as we all know, its about health, hot hand and matchups.  Imo there are two players that must definitely take a step up for MU to maximize this teams potential, Tre Norman and Ben Gold.

mug644

Quote from: Viper on October 09, 2024, 08:36:44 PM
IF each returning player improves YOY...whether that's improved shooting, improved D, rebounding, ball handling or simply playing with more confidence and assertiveness...each player has a different area of needed improvement...AND if Hamilton can offer quality minutes of D and boards, and if DO has some impactability off the bench, MU can be a top 3 BE team and easily a 5 or 6 seed. I know, I pretty much covered the bases, but status quo in player development won't cut it. Worst case I think MU is still 5th in-conference, and a 8-seed ncaa. From there, and as we all know, its about health, hot hand and matchups.  Imo there are two players that must definitely take a step up for MU to maximize this teams potential, Tre Norman and Ben Gold.

I'd say Chase is more important to MU taking a step up than Tre is.

Holy hell all time

Quote from: Viper on October 09, 2024, 08:36:44 PM
IF each returning player improves YOY...whether that's improved shooting, improved D, rebounding, ball handling or simply playing with more confidence and assertiveness...each player has a different area of needed improvement...AND if Hamilton can offer quality minutes of D and boards, and if DO has some impactability off the bench, MU can be a top 3 BE team and easily a 5 or 6 seed. I know, I pretty much covered the bases, but status quo in player development won't cut it. Worst case I think MU is still 5th in-conference, and a 8-seed ncaa. From there, and as we all know, its about health, hot hand and matchups.  Imo there are two players that must definitely take a step up for MU to maximize this teams potential, Tre Norman and Ben Gold.

So you think the difference between our floor and ceiling next year is 2 or 3 seed lines? I disagree there.

Also, if Shaka can't beat RED this December, we'll have a mid season coaching change so that could alter the course of our season greatly. Cannot, I repeat, CANNOT go 0-4 against RED and survive.

tower912

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Quote from: tower912 on October 09, 2024, 08:48:27 PM
23-25 regular season wins.  Second weekend.

I like it Tower.  Hope you are right.

I think MU makes the tournament but I do not see that many regular season wins. 

Will be really fun to see the recruit, retain and develop model working to its fullest this year.

Viper

Quote from: mug644 on October 09, 2024, 08:45:39 PM
I'd say Chase is more important to MU taking a step up than Tre is.
Chase definitely important. I went with Tre because if he can lock it down at pg, allowing Kam to cook at the 2, MU is better for it.

mug644

Quote from: Viper on October 09, 2024, 09:08:28 PM
Chase definitely important. I went with Tre because if he can lock it down at pg, allowing Kam to cook at the 2, MU is better for it.

I can see that. Still, if Tre can lock it down at PG, what are the dominos for the lineup? Kam and Stevie stay in, with Ben at the 5. So, does Jop or Chase get pushed out? I can't see Jop, as a senior getting pushed out, so it's Chase. And, thus, I see Chase as more important, because he has the position now, and would lose it, with it being essentially a swap.

Of course, game by game, it's important that lots of guys, Tre being among them, are able to step up.

1SE

Quote from: tower912 on October 09, 2024, 08:48:27 PM
23-25 regular season wins.  Second weekend.

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1SE

Quote from: mug644 on October 09, 2024, 09:13:45 PM
I can see that. Still, if Tre can lock it down at PG, what are the dominos for the lineup? Kam and Stevie stay in, with Ben at the 5. So, does Jop or Chase get pushed out? I can't see Jop, as a senior getting pushed out, so it's Chase. And, thus, I see Chase as more important, because he has the position now, and would lose it, with it being essentially a swap.

Of course, game by game, it's important that lots of guys, Tre being among them, are able to step up.

I can see us definitely having O and D lineups - tre, kam, chase, jop, Ben would put up some serious pts - kam will clearly be max minutes - jop probably 30-35 - I could see everyone else under 25 as situation and matchups will define rotations
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