Potential Strike Tomorrow

[The Sultan]

Committing war crimes?

To be fair, that seems to be what Muggs wants.

[jesmu84]

It wouldn't fail.  And if by an infinitesimal  chance it did yes, as Gallant said with regards to Iran, everything would be on the table.  We're not living in an age of conventional warfare.  We never should have slow rolled Ukraine with weapons or worried about Putin's threats.  Attack with zero hesitation and they would surrender immediately.

So we try to assassinate Putin and fail, so we're in open war.

And you're okay with that scenario against a nuclear power?

[Uncle Rico]

He's doing the right thing now.

Avoiding jail?

[The Sultan]

So we try to assassinate Putin and fail, so we're in open war.

And you're okay with that scenario against a nuclear power?

Putin will be toppled internally if pressure continues. But I'm not sure the devil we don't know is a better choice.

[Scoop Snoop]

Putin will be toppled internally if pressure continues. But I'm not sure the devil we don't know is a better choice.

Pretty ballsy to post here with logical comments.

I agree pretty much with your first comment, but the "savvy genius" has managed to stay in power against all odds, so I'm not quite ready to agree that he will definitely go down. But I'm close.

Your second comment? Agree Big Time.

But since Mr. If I Was In Charge has made it clear that conventional warfare is not enough, so let's light it up and get this done.

[MuggsyB]

Putin will be toppled internally if pressure continues. But I'm not sure the devil we don't know is a better choice.

The alternative is/was always a better choice.   He should be fertilizer and is a colossal fkbag. 

[MuggsyB]

So we try to assassinate Putin and fail, so we're in open war.

And you're okay with that scenario against a nuclear power?

That's not what I said. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

That's not what I said. 

It wouldn't fail.  And if by an infinitesimal  chance it did yes, as Gallant said with regards to Iran, everything would be on the table.  We're not living in an age of conventional warfare.  We never should have slow rolled Ukraine with weapons or worried about Putin's threats.  Attack with zero hesitation and they would surrender immediately.

So when you said "everything would be on the table" and "attack with zero hesitation and they would surrender immediately" you weren't stating that you would be okay with open war against Russia?

[tower912]

Do your research.  Then write letters, send e-mails, make phone calls to the politicians that are taking Putin's side in this.  If they were against sending aid to Ukraine, chastise them severely for their wrongheadness.   It is difficult to imagine politicians siding with Putin, but some do.   Focus your energy upon them.

[MuggsyB]

So when you said "everything would be on the table" and "attack with zero hesitation and they would surrender immediately" you weren't stating that you would be okay with open war against Russia?

I'm not concerned with Putin's ability to counterattack to be blunt. 

[jesmu84]

I'm not concerned with Putin's ability to counterattack to be blunt.

You aren't concerned with Russia using it's nuclear arsenal? Why not?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm not concerned with Putin's ability to counterattack to be blunt.

So youre good with open war, you just think Russia can't fight back.... despite them having enough nukes to blow up the world a few times over

[The Sultan]

The alternative is/was always a better choice. 

I'm not concerned with Putin's ability to counterattack to be blunt. 

These are simply inane statements.

Putin has been severely weakened through this entire affair. He is bogged down in eastern Ukraine, has seen Russia invaded for the first time since WW2, had two longtime neutrals, one on its border, join NATO, and has crapped away all the goodwill Russia has built up in Europe.

Furthermore Russia has been exposed as a paper tiger. Its military is technologically obsolete and bereft with corruption and mismanagement.  And he is increasingly unpopular at home, both with the masses and the elites. And it is the latter who will control if he stays or goes.

But if you would have attacked him, killed him and made him a martyr, that would have caused a much broader and deadlier war.

Your ideas are full of silliness.

[MuggsyB]

These are simply inane statements.

Putin has been severely weakened through this entire affair. He is bogged down in eastern Ukraine, has seen Russia invaded for the first time since WW2, had two longtime neutrals, one on its border, join NATO, and has crapped away all the goodwill Russia has built up in Europe.

Furthermore Russia has been exposed as a paper tiger. Its military is technologically obsolete and bereft with corruption and mismanagement.  And he is increasingly unpopular at home, both with the masses and the elites. And it is the latter who will control if he stays or goes.

But if you would have attacked him, killed him and made him a martyr, that would have caused a much broader and deadlier war.

Your ideas are full of silliness.

Ukraine was invaded by this fkbag in February of '22.  Countless numbers of lives have been lost on both sides.  If Putin had been introduced to darkness 2.5 years ago the entire world would be in a far better place, he would not be a martyr, and alternative leadership in Russia could not conceivable be worse.  This "martyr" narrative is also stupid.  Being hated more than we're already hated by certain dictatorships is not the least bit concerning to me. 

[The Sultan]

Ukraine was invaded by this fkbag in February of '22.  Countless numbers of lives have been lost on both sides.  If Putin had been introduced to darkness 2.5 years ago the entire world would be in a far better place, he would not be a martyr, and alternative leadership in Russia could not conceivable be worse.  This "martyr" narrative is also stupid.  Being hated more than we're already hated by certain dictatorships is not the least bit concerning to me. 

You simply do not understand. If Putin would have been taken out, which would have been incredibly difficult to do, you just gave Russia a reason to expand the war WITH their citizen's support. What do you think China would think about that? That the United States and the west decides to kill a leader for invading a country that isn't even an ally?

And finally, if you don't think there are options worse than Putin, you lack imagination.

[Uncle Rico]

You simply do not understand. If Putin would have been taken out, which would have been incredibly difficult to do, you just gave Russia a reason to expand the war WITH their citizen's support. What do you think China would think about that? That the United States and the west decides to kill a leader for invading a country that isn't even an ally?

And finally, if you don't think there are options worse than Putin, you lack imagination.

You've obviously never watched any of The Bourne movies.  It's not that hard

[cheebs09]

I feel like Muggsy never has a Plan B since he is certain Plan A will work as long as he's the one enacting it.

[Scoop Snoop]

I feel like Muggsy never has a Plan B since he is certain Plan A will work as long as he's the one enacting it.

No need to worry. 1) He's not in charge of himself, so he will never be in charge of anything anywhere. 2) He doesn't have a plan A, so a plan B is unnecessary.

[Jockey]

I can't believe people try to rationalize with Muggsy.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Has anyone contracted the avengers about Putin?

[BM1090]

That's not what I said.

That's exactly what you said, Muggs.

[Skatastrophy]

That's exactly what you said, Muggs.

I didn't know there'd be fact-checking

[Pakuni]

I didn't know there'd be fact-checking

Muggsy was promised there would be none. It's right there in the Superbar rules.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Has anyone contracted the avengers about Putin?

It is a job for The Thunderbolts*.

[The Sultan]

In fact, I've had about enough of the Mullahs and Putin.  The perception is we're weak now with a lame duck president and pinprick responses.  Perfect time to say hello with a forceful and emphatic message. 

If you think there's an impression that we're weak now, I wonder what will happen if we re-elect a former president who has apparently been regularly talking with Putin since the invasion began?