2024-25 NCAA Basketball Thread

[The Sultan]

GCU is still accredited by the Higher Learning Commission - which is Marquette's accreditor as well. You can't just give students graduation credit for things like going to a basketball game.

[Uncle Rico]

GCU had to pay nearly 38M for lying about Doctoral programs. They are also a for profit university. I would not put anything past them.

Perfect place for a member of the nefarious Drew family

[WhiteTrash]

GCU had to pay nearly 38M for lying about Doctoral programs. They are also a for profit university. I would not put anything past them.

I don't understand the "for profit university" angle. For-profit and non-profit organizations can be both good and corrupt. I think you could give them credit for not hiding behind a non-profit facade as other organizations have to unjustly enrich themselves.

I know nothing about GCU, it maybe corrupt as hell but being for-profit does not make it so. 

[Billy Hoyle]

I can't imagine that is accurate because of accredidation stadards.

apparently that has changed. My buddy was offered a HC job there a few years ago and that was something they sold him on when it came to student support of the team. It was part of a college experience course.

[wadesworld]

apparently that has changed. My buddy was offered a HC job there a few years ago and that was something they sold him on when it came to student support of the team. It was part of a college experience course.

Of course he was.

I cannot find anything, anywhere saying that GCU students have ever received college credits for attending athletic events.  But hey, they're selling it to head coaches as a selling point.

[The Sultan]

I don't understand the "for profit university" angle. For-profit and non-profit organizations can be both good and corrupt. I think you could give them credit for not hiding behind a non-profit facade as other organizations have to unjustly enrich themselves.

I know nothing about GCU, it maybe corrupt as hell but being for-profit does not make it so. 

In general, for-profit colleges are relatively more expensive, leave students with more debt, and have worse outcomes (graduation rates, post-graduation placement) than not-for-profit ones.

[Uncle Rico]

Some big games with huge implications for Marquette's cause tomorrow.  This post is brought to you by our friends at Lenny's Tap:

Maine-Fort Kent at Maine 5PM ESPN+

Baldwin-Wallace at Cleveland State 6PM ESPN+

Boyce at Morehead State 6PM ESPN+

Carolina Christian at Presbyterian 6PM ESPN+

Ohio Christian at Wright St. 6PM ESPN+

Virginia-Lynchburg at Norfolk St. 6PM ESPN+

Piedmont at South Carolina Upstate 6PM ESPN+

St. Andrews Presbyterian at Appalachian State 6PM ESPN+

Champion Baptist at Arkansas-Pine Bluff 7PM ESPN+

Lewis & Clark at Portland 9PM ESPN+

[WhiteTrash]

In general, for-profit colleges are relatively more expensive, leave students with more debt, and have worse outcomes (graduation rates, post-graduation placement) than not-for-profit ones.

That's fair. But people have a choice. Also, to the credit of the for-profit, they pay the income tax, real estate tax and sales taxes that can help support a local economies.

Maybe I'm jaded by the not-for-profit scam artist out there, of which I believe there are colleges included, that I give schools like GCU some slack. Plus I'd have to be shown the causation effect of a for-profit school being corrupt. I am willing to listen.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

apparently that has changed. My buddy was offered a HC job there a few years ago and that was something they sold him on when it came to student support of the team. It was part of a college experience course.

That's a bit different than what you posted. Lots of Universities require a college experience type course where a single assignment is to go to a university event.  Some may even require it to be an athletic event. But students don't receive credits just for going to athletic events.

[MUbiz]

I don't understand the "for profit university" angle. For-profit and non-profit organizations can be both good and corrupt. I think you could give them credit for not hiding behind a non-profit facade as other organizations have to unjustly enrich themselves.

I know nothing about GCU, it maybe corrupt as hell but being for-profit does not make it so. 

Grand Canyon almost filed for bankruptcy in 2000s because they were not managing finances correctly. Take the for or non profit out of the equation - GCU has had a long history of questionable financial decisions and shady practices. 

[The Sultan]

That's fair. But people have a choice. Also, to the credit of the for-profit, they pay the income tax, real estate tax and sales taxes that can help support a local economies.

Maybe I'm jaded by the not-for-profit scam artist out there, of which I believe there are colleges included, that I give schools like GCU some slack. Plus I'd have to be shown the causation effect of a for-profit school being corrupt. I am willing to listen.

I'm not saying that they are necessarily corrupt, those some clearly are. They just aren't that good at what they do. Grand Canyon is considered the "best" for-profit higher education institution in the country. And they're ranked by USN&WR around 400th - near the bottom of "national universities."

Again, their students usually pay more, exit with more debt, and have worse outcomes. I don't have the research paper that can prove causation, but I can certainly show correlation between those datapoints and the fact that they are for-profit.

[Uncle Rico]

I'm not saying that they are necessarily corrupt, those some clearly are. They just aren't that good at what they do. Grand Canyon is considered the "best" for-profit higher education institution in the country. And they're ranked by USN&WR around 400th - near the bottom of "national universities."

Again, their students usually pay more, exit with more debt, and have worse outcomes. I don't have the research paper that can prove causation, but I can certainly show correlation between those datapoints and the fact that they are for-profit.

Any school employing a Drew is a corrupt to its core

[wadesworld]

Any school employing a Drew is a corrupt to its core

There's zero doubt about that.

[Uncle Rico]

Maine up 48-22 over Maine Fort Kent at the half

[romey]

Maine up 48-22 over Maine Fort Kent at the half

with 50% of the vote counted.  Let me know when you call it

[Uncle Rico]

with 50% of the vote counted.  Let me know when you call it

They're up 30 with 11:44 left in the second half.  Game is available on ESPN+

Going to need to see more data to make a call.

[Uncle Rico]

Here is a list of tomorrow's important games with regards to the cause of the Big East, brought to you by Grand Canyon University:

Kentucky Christian at UT-Martin, 11AM ESPN+

Point University at North Alabama, 11AM ESPN+

Bethesda at Cal-State Bakersfield, 1PM ESPN+

Oneonta St. at Binghamton, 4PM, ESPN+

Oakwood at Alabama A&M, 5:30 Bull

SUNY-Purchase at FDU, 6PM NEC

Eureka at Indiana St., 6PM ESPN+

Mississippi University for Women at Mississippi Valley St., 6PM SWAC

Holy Cross College at NIU, 6PM ESPN+

Davenport at Western Michigan, 6PM, Bron

Worcester Polytechnic Institute at Quinnipiac, 6PM ESPN+

University of Health Sciences and Pharmacy in St. Louis Eutectics at Lindenwood, 6PM ESPN+

College of Biblical Studies at McNeese State, 7:30PM ESPN+

Wayland Baptist at North Texas, 7:30 ESPN+

Evergreen State at Portland State, 9PM, ESPN+

[Uncle Rico]

Mississippi Valley State up 5-0 against Mississippi University for Women with 16:39 left in the 1st half.  Game is available on the SWAC Network.

Stony Brook up 8-6 on Central Michigan with 13:47 left in the 1st half.  Game is available on ESPN+.  Big seeding implications for the Golden Eagles

[Uncle Rico]

Western Michigan 24 Davenport 2 with 8:40 left on the Bron Network

[Uncle Rico]

Many games that will help or hurt Marquette's cause being played tomorrow.  These games are brought to you your friends at Lenny's Tap:

Sienna Heights at Eastern Michigan, 11AM ESPN+

Southwestern U. at Incarnate Word, Noon, ESPN+

West Colorado St. at Denver, 2PM, Summit

Franklin at Ball St., 4PM, ESPN+

Ohio Wesleyan at Akron, 6PM, No TV

Costal Georgia at FAU, 6PM, ESPN+

Miami-Hamilton at Kent St., 6PM ESPN+

Nelson at Northern Arizona, 7PM ESPN+

Ozark Christian College at Oral Bob, 7PM ESPN+

Concordia College (MI) at Valpo, 7PM ESPN+

Life Pacific at Hawaii, 11PM, Spec

[GoldenEagles03]

Stony Brook (Marquette's opponent from this Monday) just beat Central Michigan (Marquette's opponent this upcoming Monday).

73 to 72.

[Newsdreams]

Many games that will help or hurt Marquette's cause being played tomorrow.  These games are brought to you your friends at Lenny's Tap:

Sienna Heights at Eastern Michigan, 11AM ESPN+

Southwestern U. at Incarnate Word, Noon, ESPN+

West Colorado St. at Denver, 2PM, Summit

Franklin at Ball St., 4PM, ESPN+

Ohio Wesleyan at Akron, 6PM, No TV

Costal Georgia at FAU, 6PM, ESPN+

Miami-Hamilton at Kent St., 6PM ESPN+

Nelson at Northern Arizona, 7PM ESPN+

Ozark Christian College at Oral Bob, 7PM ESPN+

Concordia College (MI) at Valpo, 7PM ESPN+

Life Pacific at Hawaii, 11PM, Spec

No dentist sponsorship? Weak a$$ dentist alumni

[CountryRoads]

Stony Brook (Marquette's opponent from this Monday) just beat Central Michigan (Marquette's opponent this upcoming Monday).

73 to 72.

The kid on Owens and Parham's team hit the game winner.

[Newsdreams]

The kid on Owens and Parham's team hit the game winner.

We need him

[The Sultan]

We need him

Yeah. Like a PG transfer from a CAA school could ever make it in the Big East.