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High school kids
« on: June 23, 2024, 02:41:57 PM »
The top 5 kids in Wisconsin are going to
Prep schools next year, what is the going rate to pay these kids?  Great for the kids and family, hard for the college coaches to travel all over the place.  The other point is coaches are not even close to being done for 2025, but have to suck up to kids in 26.  They earn there money!

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2024, 02:43:51 PM »
The top 5 kids in Wisconsin are going to
Prep schools next year, what is the going rate to pay these kids?  Great for the kids and family, hard for the college coaches to travel all over the place.  The other point is coaches are not even close to being done for 2025, but have to suck up to kids in 26.  They earn there money!

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2024, 03:00:38 PM »
The top 5 kids in Wisconsin are going to
Prep schools next year, what is the going rate to pay these kids?  Great for the kids and family, hard for the college coaches to travel all over the place.  The other point is coaches are not even close to being done for 2025, but have to suck up to kids in 26.  They earn there money!

Hannah, Allen and Rogers are the 3 I know going out of state.  The next 3 top kids from rankings I've seen are Batemon, Mitchell and Kinzinger and they are still instate and far as I know.  Who am I missing?
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Re: High school kids
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2024, 03:03:35 PM »
I am trying to figure out what the issue is.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2024, 03:05:15 PM »
Great for the kids and family, hard for the college coaches to travel all over the place.

I don’t mean this in the wrong way, but… tf is u talm bout??
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2024, 03:08:00 PM »
I don’t mean this in the wrong way, but… tf is u talm bout??

Davion Hannah and Kai Rogers have both announced in the last week that they will be leaving Wisconsin to play out of state in 2024-25.
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Re: High school kids
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2024, 03:09:27 PM »
Davion Hannah and Kai Rogers have both announced in the last week that they will be leaving Wisconsin to play out of state in 2024-25.

My question was Re: the claim that it makes “hard for the college coaches to travel all over the place”… just a bizarre comment
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Re: High school kids
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2024, 03:10:21 PM »
Davion Hannah and Kai Rogers have both announced in the last week that they will be leaving Wisconsin to play out of state in 2024-25.

Right. But why is this a problem?
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2024, 03:11:09 PM »
Every college coach wants their players to be coached by the best coaches.

They hardly care at all about having to travel to see them. Especially for HS games.

Especially when they are seniors, who are already commited/heavily recruited before leaving for a prep school.

There are no issues for anyone involved.

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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2024, 03:29:16 PM »
6 kids now

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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2024, 03:31:41 PM »
6 kids now

This feels like a question worth addressing as you continue to make this assertion.

Hannah, Allen and Rogers are the 3 I know going out of state.  The next 3 top kids from rankings I've seen are Batemon, Mitchell and Kinzinger and they are still instate and far as I know.  Who am I missing?
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2024, 03:32:06 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2024, 03:41:26 PM »
And what?

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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2024, 03:44:03 PM »
Observation?   Reason to worry?  Thoughts about the condition of HS basketball in Wiscy?   Is it a big deal?
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2024, 03:58:54 PM »
Observation?   Reason to worry?  Thoughts about the condition of HS basketball in Wiscy?   Is it a big deal?

Just an observation, that’s about it.  Rather have the kids stay in Wisconsin to play there senior year.  The state has to approve NIL money and the shot clock in high school.  Like watching high school ball with the best players playing

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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2024, 04:08:03 PM »
Just an observation, that’s about it.  Rather have the kids stay in Wisconsin to play there senior year.  The state has to approve NIL money and the shot clock in high school.  Like watching high school ball with the best players playing

Observation of what?

Per 247, the current Wisconsin top-6 is:

1) Davion Hannah (Going out of state)
2) Jamarion Batemon (Still at MAS)
3) Amari Allen (listed as Florida currently)
4) Kai Rogers (Going out of state)
5) Zach Kinziger (Still at DePere)
6) Xzavion Mitchell (Still at Oshkosh North)

Who are the other three?
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2024, 04:11:30 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2024, 04:33:53 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2024, 04:39:26 PM »
So a number of guys Marquette isn’t even recruiting…
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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2024, 04:47:38 PM »
So a number of guys Marquette isn’t even recruiting…

So how do you know that those kids have an awesome senior year, sort of like that skinny kid from Oshkosh.  Never know.

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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2024, 04:51:15 PM »
So how do you know that those kids have an awesome senior year, sort of like that skinny kid from Oshkosh.  Never know.

Correct. But a lot of the kids you mentioned aren’t even being recruited by Marquette. That’s simply a fact.

And the ones that are, Shaka can keep in contact with and travel to go see.
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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2024, 05:01:12 PM »
Juan Hernandez
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Devin Brown

Latravion Fenderson

So guys that aren't ranked in the top-6 in Wisconsin next year.
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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2024, 05:04:54 PM »
So guys that aren't ranked in the top-6 in Wisconsin next year.

MU has looked at two of those kids.

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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2024, 05:51:39 PM »
MU has looked at two of those kids.

Two of those kids who aren't ranked in the top-6 in Wisconsin next year.
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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2024, 06:19:24 PM »
Two of those kids who aren't ranked in the top-6 in Wisconsin next year.

So those kids can not have a big year? Some recruit on MU right now had no offers from the top 4 schools in TEXAS.
He probably was not even top 20!  Never know



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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2024, 06:23:01 PM »
So those kids can not have a big year? Some recruit on MU right now had no offers from the top 4 schools in TEXAS.
He probably was not even top 20!  Never know

You were the one who initially claimed “top 5.” Then you changed it to six.

Brew was just pointing out that the top 5 or 6 are not leaving the state.
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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2024, 06:34:50 PM »
My question was Re: the claim that it makes “hard for the college coaches to travel all over the place”… just a bizarre comment

I'm with Jay Bee here. Instead of most of the top players in country playing at a handful of top prep schools, where coaches can go and watch a team with multiple D1 guys play another team with multiple D1 guys...BC thinks coaches would prefer to drive up to high schools, possibly in places like Rhinelander, to watch a team with one D1 guy play a team whose best player is going to be the second best guy on a team that gets knocked out of the first round of the intramural playoffs as a college junior.

I think what BC is actually saying is that he misses the days when colleges just recrutied from their own state and maybe the neighboring state if the school was near the border.
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« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2024, 06:37:01 PM »
So those kids can not have a big year? Some recruit on MU right now had no offers from the top 4 schools in TEXAS.
He probably was not even top 20!  Never know

It's irrelevant. You said the top-5 were leaving, then changed it to top-6, and neither were true. The opening post was untrue, your follow-up was untrue, and you fail to acknowledge that the entire premise of your thread is based on false statements.
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« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2024, 06:37:46 PM »
You were the one who initially claimed “top 5.” Then you changed it to six.

Brew was just pointing out that the top 5 or 6 are not leaving the state.
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« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2024, 06:52:03 PM »
I'm with Jay Bee here. Instead of most of the top players in country playing at a handful of top prep schools, where coaches can go and watch a team with multiple D1 guys play another team with multiple D1 guys...BC thinks coaches would prefer to drive up to high schools, possibly in places like Rhinelander, to watch a team with one D1 guy play a team whose best player is going to be the second best guy on a team that gets knocked out of the first round of the intramural playoffs as a college junior.

I think what BC is actually saying is that he misses the days when colleges just recrutied from their own state and maybe the neighboring state if the school was near the border.

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« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2024, 06:58:34 PM »
I'm with Jay Bee here. Instead of most of the top players in country playing at a handful of top prep schools, where coaches can go and watch a team with multiple D1 guys play another team with multiple D1 guys...BC thinks coaches would prefer to drive up to high schools, possibly in places like Rhinelander, to watch a team with one D1 guy play a team whose best player is going to be the second best guy on a team that gets knocked out of the first round of the intramural playoffs as a college junior.

I think what BC is actually saying is that he misses the days when colleges just recrutied from their own state and maybe the neighboring state if the school was near the border.


Or he simply wants to return to the good ole days of high school basketball where kids played for the glory of their hometown.
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« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2024, 07:14:02 PM »
Hickory!
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« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2024, 09:06:57 PM »
This discussion is a bit odd. That said, the only relevance to MU could be the fact that there was apparently some pushback from Royce Parham’s HS fanbase when he chose to leave his PA hometown and join his future MU teammate Owens at Western Reserve Prep. Not surprising. Whether it was at the behest of Shaka or not, it certainly worked pretty well for these kids and their preparation for D1 basketball. They even won a prep school national title together. 

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« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2024, 06:41:32 AM »
I wonder how much the lack of shot clock in the WIAA has played into these kids' decisions to play elsewhere.  Wisconsin is one of the only states that has yet to approve a shot clock for high school hoops.

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« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2024, 07:03:36 AM »
I wonder how much the lack of shot clock in the WIAA has played into these kids' decisions to play elsewhere.  Wisconsin is one of the only states that has yet to approve a shot clock for high school hoops.

Kon Knueppel responded to that on a Mark Miller Twitter post. He pointed to both NIL and the shot clock as things that could push prominent high schoolers out of state. But if that's the case, then it's up to the WIAA and state. They can try to keep players here by making changes, or they can stick to how they've always done things. Ultimately, I don't think it will impact the in-state schools or Marquette very much.
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« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2024, 07:58:19 AM »
Right. The WIAA should be about what's best for high school basketball, not what's best for the state's top prospects. I am sure the shot clock is an expense that the school districts don't want to deal with - especially when you are going to need an extra hand to deal with that clock during games.
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« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2024, 08:07:25 AM »
Right. The WIAA should be about what's best for high school basketball, not what's best for the state's top prospects. I am sure the shot clock is an expense that the school districts don't want to deal with - especially when you are going to need an extra hand to deal with that clock during games.

If rural schools in North Dakota can find someone to manage the shot clock, so can schools in northern Wisconsin.  Players want it, coaches want it, fans want it.  Clearly the high level prospects want it.  The WIAA needs to get with the times.

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« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2024, 08:09:16 AM »
If rural schools in North Dakota can find someone to manage the shot clock, so can schools in northern Wisconsin.  Players want it, coaches want it, fans want it.  Clearly the high level prospects want it.  The WIAA needs to get with the times.

Then they should do it! I haven't been to a high school basketball game since my kids team was eliminated in the state playoffs as a senior - over a decade ago. So I have no idea what anyone wants.

It shouldn't be to keep prospects in state.
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« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2024, 08:18:09 AM »
I couldn't care less about players leaving Wisconsin.

Looking at Marquette's roster, the following players left their state for HS:

Chase Ross
Zaide Lowery
Damarius Owens
Royce Parham
Ben Gold (left his country!)

Plus, Caedin Hamilton was planning to do a 5th year at a NE Prep school before deciding to enroll and redshirt at Marquette.

All of these players made decisions that they thought were in their best interest.   I support all players doing the same, even those from Wisconsin.

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« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2024, 08:37:51 AM »
I couldn't care less about players leaving Wisconsin.

Looking at Marquette's roster, the following players left their state for HS:

Chase Ross
Zaide Lowery
Damarius Owens
Royce Parham
Ben Gold (left his country!)

Plus, Caedin Hamilton was planning to do a 5th year at a NE Prep school before deciding to enroll and redshirt at Marquette.

All of these players made decisions that they thought were in their best interest.   I support all players doing the same, even those from Wisconsin.

Yep. For many, many, many students, going to college farther away is something they've always wanted to do.

As for the shot clock ... NC doesn't have one for HS ball, and this state produces some pretty good college basketball players. There has been discussion of adding a shot clock here for the last several years but it hasn't happened yet.
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« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2024, 09:04:18 AM »
So, BC gets absolutely shredded for starting a thread that "exaggerated" a topic of basketball non-interest to some here. Have any y'all quit beatin' your dog yet, hey?
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« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2024, 09:21:35 AM »
So, BC gets absolutely shredded for starting a thread that "exaggerated" a topic of basketball non-interest to some here. Have any y'all quit beatin' your dog yet, hey?

It should have also been in the Superbar, but we let that slide.
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« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2024, 09:44:31 AM »
So, BC gets absolutely shredded for starting a thread that "exaggerated" a topic of basketball non-interest to some here. Have any y'all quit beatin' your dog yet, hey?

Thanks, thought it was something to discuss since there is not much going on!

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« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2024, 09:51:04 AM »
It should have also been in the Superbar, but we let that slide.



Who are the "we"? Wait, pretty sure I can name 90+% of the cult. For the record, I don't know BC and he isn't a card carryin' member of the MS, hey?
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« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2024, 09:54:08 AM »
Is Stephanie Hauser still working high up in the WIAA?  If so, that family knows ball so I'll trust the WIAA to do the right thing, as they always do.
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« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2024, 09:57:27 AM »
Is Stephanie Hauser still working high up in the WIAA?  If so, that family knows ball so I'll trust the WIAA to do the right thing, as they always do.

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« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2024, 10:20:57 AM »
Yep. For many, many, many students, going to college farther away is something they've always wanted to do.

As for the shot clock ... NC doesn't have one for HS ball, and this state produces some pretty good college basketball players. There has been discussion of adding a shot clock here for the last several years but it hasn't happened yet.

27 states have a shot clock (Alabama is experimenting with one for the upcoming season). Oregon just added shot clocks for last season after coaches lobbied for years. As someone mentioned above, costs are an issue. $5k for the equipment and then paying someone to work them (in Ohio that estimated cost is $1100 for the season).
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« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2024, 01:15:23 PM »
27 states have a shot clock (Alabama is experimenting with one for the upcoming season). Oregon just added shot clocks for last season after coaches lobbied for years. As someone mentioned above, costs are an issue. $5k for the equipment and then paying someone to work them (in Ohio that estimated cost is $1100 for the season).

Thanks Billy. If NC starts using the shot clock, cool. If NC doesn't ever use the shot clock, also cool. Doesn't matter a bit to me.
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« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2024, 01:35:04 PM »
I wonder how much the Hausers success leaving Wisconsin has influenced these kids?  A lot of them look up to those two and follow their lead.  Pretty big reason why it would behoove Marquette to mend fences
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« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2024, 03:43:56 PM »
I wonder how much the Hausers success leaving Wisconsin has influenced these kids?  A lot of them look up to those two and follow their lead.  Pretty big reason why it would behoove Marquette to mend fences

Your going to need to show any amount of evidence on the "a lot of then look up to those two and follow their lead"


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« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2024, 03:45:46 PM »
Your going to need to show any amount of evidence on the "a lot of then look up to those two and follow their lead"

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He's joking.

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« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2024, 06:49:34 PM »


Who are the "we"? Wait, pretty sure I can name 90+% of the cult. For the record, I don't know BC and he isn't a card carryin' member of the MS, hey?
We is Hippie and the rest of his know it all cult
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« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2024, 07:01:54 PM »
We is Hippie and the rest of his know it all cult

I wonder how Ramsey looks this summer?
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« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2024, 05:47:29 AM »
I wonder how Ramsey looks this summer?
Reeker, vice chair of the cult.
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« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2024, 06:48:08 AM »
Reeker, vice chair of the cult.

I thought you had me on ignore?

Anyway, how does Ramsey look this summer? Any news?
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« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2024, 08:32:21 AM »
I wonder how Ramsey looks this summer?
My sources say he is ghosting the team
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« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2024, 08:57:14 AM »
I wonder how Ramsey looks this summer?

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Re: High school kids
« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2024, 04:12:28 PM »
I'm concerned that Shaka is talking to so many high schoolers. It's a bad look for a man his age.

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Re: High school kids
« Reply #60 on: June 25, 2024, 04:25:04 PM »
I'm concerned that Shaka is talking to so many high schoolers. It's a bad look for a man his age.

Shaka is not Josh Giddey.

 

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