Is America a Christian Theocracy?

[MU82]

The Ten Commandments must be displayed in Louisiana classrooms under requirement signed into law

https://apnews.com/article/louisiana-ten-commandments-displayed-classrooms-571a2447906f7bbd5a166d53db005a62

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — Louisiana has become the first state to require that the Ten Commandments be displayed in every public school classroom under a bill signed into law by Republican Gov. Jeff Landry on Wednesday.

The GOP-drafted legislation mandates that a poster-sized display of the Ten Commandments in "large, easily readable font" be required in all public classrooms, from kindergarten to state-funded universities.

Opponents question the law's constitutionality, warning that lawsuits are likely to follow. Proponents say the purpose of the measure is not solely religious, but that it has historical significance. In the law's language, the Ten Commandments are described as "foundational documents of our state and national government."

Not long after the governor signed the bill into law, civil rights groups and organizations that want to keep religion out of government promised to file a lawsuit challenging it.

The law prevents students from getting an equal education and will keep children who have different beliefs from feeling safe at school, the American Civil Liberties Union, Americans United for Separation of Church and State and the Freedom from Religion Foundation said in a joint statement Wednesday afternoon.

"Even among those who may believe in some version of the Ten Commandments, the particular text that they adhere to can differ by religious denomination or tradition. The government should not be taking sides in this theological debate," the groups said.

Similar bills requiring the Ten Commandments be displayed in classrooms have been proposed in other states including Texas, Oklahoma and Utah. However, with threats of legal battles over the constitutionality of such measures, no state besides Louisiana has had success in making the bills law.

Legal battles over the display of the Ten Commandments in classrooms are not new.

In 1980, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a similar Kentucky law was unconstitutional and violated the establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution, which says Congress can "make no law respecting an establishment of religion." The high court found that the law had no secular purpose but rather served a plainly religious purpose.

"I can't wait to be sued," Mr. Landry said on Saturday at a Republican fund-raiser in Nashville, according to The Tennessean. And on Wednesday, as he signed the measure, he argued that the Ten Commandments contained valuable lessons for students.

"If you want to respect the rule of law," he said, "you've got to start from the original law giver, which was Moses."

[The Sultan]

No.

And this will end well.

[tower912]

Not yet.   But a subset would like it to be.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Seems like a pretty mundane 1st amendment violation, you'd think.

[MUBurrow]

Do people still say in before the

[Skatastrophy]

Only 30% of people in the US regularly go to church and that falls every year. Hopefully this stuff dies down in my lifetime.

[jficke13]

Explicitly unconstitutional under Stone v. Graham. Also, obviously calculated to be summarily enjoined and declared unconstitutional by a district court, for the 5th circuit to overturn the TRO, and for SCOTUS to be able to overturn Stone.

Probably will work too.

[MU82]

Seems like a pretty mundane 1st amendment violation, you'd think.

They don't seem to care - just look at Landry's quote. They're betting that when it gets appealed up to the Supreme Court, Alito & the gang side with "godliness" over the Constitution.

And if they do happen to lose that bet, they can claim victimhood.

[Pakuni]

Do people still say in before the

In before the

[NCMUFan]

I don't know, but something written by the finger of God, I wouldn't mess with.

[Uncle Rico]

The Ten Commandments must be displayed in Louisiana classrooms under requirement signed into law

https://apnews.com/article/louisiana-ten-commandments-displayed-classrooms-571a2447906f7bbd5a166d53db005a62

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — Louisiana has become the first state to require that the Ten Commandments be displayed in every public school classroom under a bill signed into law by Republican Gov. Jeff Landry on Wednesday.

The GOP-drafted legislation mandates that a poster-sized display of the Ten Commandments in "large, easily readable font" be required in all public classrooms, from kindergarten to state-funded universities.

Opponents question the law's constitutionality, warning that lawsuits are likely to follow. Proponents say the purpose of the measure is not solely religious, but that it has historical significance. In the law's language, the Ten Commandments are described as "foundational documents of our state and national government."

Not long after the governor signed the bill into law, civil rights groups and organizations that want to keep religion out of government promised to file a lawsuit challenging it.

The law prevents students from getting an equal education and will keep children who have different beliefs from feeling safe at school, the American Civil Liberties Union, Americans United for Separation of Church and State and the Freedom from Religion Foundation said in a joint statement Wednesday afternoon.

"Even among those who may believe in some version of the Ten Commandments, the particular text that they adhere to can differ by religious denomination or tradition. The government should not be taking sides in this theological debate," the groups said.

Similar bills requiring the Ten Commandments be displayed in classrooms have been proposed in other states including Texas, Oklahoma and Utah. However, with threats of legal battles over the constitutionality of such measures, no state besides Louisiana has had success in making the bills law.

Legal battles over the display of the Ten Commandments in classrooms are not new.

In 1980, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a similar Kentucky law was unconstitutional and violated the establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution, which says Congress can "make no law respecting an establishment of religion." The high court found that the law had no secular purpose but rather served a plainly religious purpose.

"I can't wait to be sued," Mr. Landry said on Saturday at a Republican fund-raiser in Nashville, according to The Tennessean. And on Wednesday, as he signed the measure, he argued that the Ten Commandments contained valuable lessons for students.

"If you want to respect the rule of law," he said, "you've got to start from the original law giver, which was Moses."

lol, Moses the original law giver 😂😂😂

The Bible is great fiction.  So is Star Wars but I don't want the Jedi books serving as a form of law

[NCMUFan]

How did you determine that?

[Uncle Rico]

How did you determine that?

Common sense

[NCMUFan]

Proverbs 3:5-6

[Uncle Rico]

Proverbs 3:5-6

That's a great line.  There's a lot in that book.

[Pakuni]

Proverbs 3:5-6

Exodus 21:7-11

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

I don't know, but something written by the finger of God, I wouldn't mess with.

Moses saw God's ass

"Then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen." (Exodus 33:23 ESV)

[Goose]

NCMUFan

I'm with you.

Skatastrophy

Are you happy that only 30% of Americans attend Mass regularly?

[MU82]

Goose, so you'd be good with Koran doctrine being posted in public schools?

Also, you seem like a "small government" and "parent's rights" guy. You're ok with government choosing the religion that kids must worship? You're ok with "indoctrinating" kids as long as you happen to agree with the material?

Also, you're ok with using millions of dollars in taxpayer money to defend this policy when it's appealed all the way to the Supreme Court?

[reinko]

NCMUFan

I'm with you.

Skatastrophy

Are you happy that only 30% of Americans attend Mass regularly?

I'm trying to remember about this guy in the New Testament, and I think I recall he was all about your service, kindness and your acts in your every day life is what the big guy cares about, not your attendance rate where you sit up and down on command and be seen.

[tower912]

I didn't see in the original article.   Will this be the Catholic version of the 10 commandments or the protestant version?  I need to know whether I am outraged or not.

[Pakuni]

I'm trying to remember about this guy in the New Testament, and I think I recall he was all about your service, kindness and your acts in your every day life is what the big guy cares about, not your attendance rate where you sit up and down on command and be seen.

"When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men ... but when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your father who is unseen."

[Goose]

82

I 100% support anyone's religious choice and even those that choose to have no faith in their lives. I am not celebrating LA's decision, but not going to bash them for that decision.

I am a small government guy and respect decisions that are made that reflect the beliefs of individual state. I won't throw out a crazy analogy, but if state decided to do something completely against my beliefs but if reflected the beliefs of the citizens, I'm not going to bitch about it.


reinko
I agree that daily acts of kindness and service is how we all should live and the older I get the more I understand that. Not sure what that has to do with my question to Skatastrophy.

I guess I just assumed being a good person a daily basis did not need to be addressed. Thought that was a given.

[The Sultan]

I think attending a religious service should not be done out of requirement, but because you find it meaningful.

[jesmu84]

No.

But some of the populace wants it to be while some of the populace doesn't.