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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2024, 07:10:05 PM »
Interesting article about how battery storage can help facilitate the recovery of salmon

https://apnews.com/article/columbia-snake-river-dams-tribes-58f5c6737df3c3e141cbc8e1cd4926ca

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2024, 08:08:35 AM »
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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2024, 08:12:52 AM »
And some moronic rando is out there vandalizing the cybertruck.    Florida.(shakes his head)
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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2024, 10:12:54 AM »
I've finally seen a couple of cyber trucks in the wild.  They are f*cking hideous.

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2024, 10:20:38 AM »
When my daughter was small, we played the slug-bug game.  We expanded it to PT cruiser bruiser.  We added in Aztek alert where we would shield our eyes when we saw one.  (15 years too early, the Aztek)   I could imagine doing something similar with the cybertruck.   Tesla mess-la and shielding my eyes.
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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2024, 10:26:44 AM »
Three recalls on the Cybertruck already.

https://seekingalpha.com/news/4118715-tesla-recalls-thousands-of-cybertrucks-over-safety-issues?

My car has had a few recalls over the years.

IMO, recalls are not a big deal. Every vehicle/manufacturer has them

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2024, 10:59:35 AM »
My car has had a few recalls over the years.

IMO, recalls are not a big deal. Every vehicle/manufacturer has them

All true. Though it does seem like if you've worked on a vehicle you've been touting heavily for 5+ years and calling it the next great vehicle in the history of mankind, you might not have 3 recalls in its first few months on the road. But sure, I've owned vehicles with recalls, too, including on one of the cars we own now.
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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2024, 11:08:04 AM »
Meh.  If you have been building cars for a century...
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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2024, 11:30:30 AM »
I've finally seen a couple of cyber trucks in the wild.  They are f*cking hideous.

It’s so aesthetically unappealing. Like it was specifically designed to cater exclusively to the whims of one person and without any regard for a real world market.

It does do one thing really well though, it signifies to the world that the owner really really really likes simping for Elon.

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2024, 01:06:10 PM »
It’s so aesthetically unappealing. Like it was specifically designed to cater exclusively to the whims of one person and without any regard for a real world market.

It does do one thing really well though, it signifies to the world that the owner really really really likes simping for Elon.

Like a 12-year-old with an erector set. I'm just surprised he didn't name it Xybertruck.
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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2024, 03:54:26 PM »
Meh.  If you have been building cars for a century...

Ford recalling a half million F-150s because the transmission can randomly drop into first gear at any speed.


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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2024, 04:38:39 PM »
Ford recalling a half million F-150s because the transmission can randomly drop into first gear at any speed.


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That's bad.
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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2024, 04:47:41 PM »
That's bad.

Yeah it's wild that people buy American cars. I had great hope that Tesla would bring US car manufacturers back from the brink, globally, but Musk is screwing that pooch vigorously.

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2024, 05:51:25 PM »
VW just took a big stake in Rivian. USA auto manufacturers have another contender!

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2024, 06:00:24 PM »
Yeah it's wild that people buy American cars. I had great hope that Tesla would bring US car manufacturers back from the brink, globally, but Musk is screwing that pooch vigorously.

Well, Toyotas, Hondas and Hyundais (among others) have had plenty of recalls, too.

I happened to think it was interesting that a much-hyped model that's been out for about 10 seconds already has 3 recalls, but tower seems to think that's not worth mentioning, and I respect him.
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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2024, 06:01:58 PM »
Smart for VW and Rivian.  But this will not improve build quality.




MU82, it is worth mentioning.   It just isn't outside the norm.   Unfortunately.
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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2024, 06:06:05 PM »
Smart for VW and Rivian.  But this will not improve build quality.




MU82, it is worth mentioning.   It just isn't outside the norm.   Unfortunately.

OK, thanks.
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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2024, 06:26:34 PM »
Well, Toyotas, Hondas and Hyundais (among others) have had plenty of recalls, too.

I happened to think it was interesting that a much-hyped model that's been out for about 10 seconds already has 3 recalls, but tower seems to think that's not worth mentioning, and I respect him.

Within a couple months of buying my EV6 at first release in 2022, I had 4 recalls.

There are legitimate things to bag on musk/Tesla/cyber truck, but this ain't one of them

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2024, 09:44:04 PM »
Within a couple months of buying my EV6 at first release in 2022, I had 4 recalls.

There are legitimate things to bag on musk/Tesla/cyber truck, but this ain't one of them

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2024, 12:19:16 AM »
but Musk is screwing that pooch vigorously.

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2024, 07:38:43 AM »
RIVN stock was up 9% yesterday and is up 40% premarket today after the joint venture with VW was announced.
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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2024, 09:21:15 AM »
Ah yes, an electric car for every American family, hey?
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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2024, 09:23:13 AM »
Ah yes, an electric car for every American family, hey?

Not as catchy as 10 guns for every American man, woman and child.
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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2024, 09:59:43 AM »
Ah yes, an electric car for every American family, hey?

Is this supposed to be ominous? I honestly don't know what you mean by it.

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2024, 10:01:16 AM »
Ah yes, an electric car for every American family, hey?
As long as they come with personal robot chauffeurs

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2024, 10:15:42 AM »
RIVN stock was up 9% yesterday and is up 40% premarket today after the joint venture with VW was announced.

They also released their gen2 R1T/S to very favorable reviews.

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2024, 10:17:23 AM »
Ah yes, an electric car for every American family, hey?

I mean, in 100 years cars won't still be gas powered. The future has to start somewhere.

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2024, 11:54:12 AM »
I am going to give the benefit of the doubt and assume he is celebrating the marriage of VW and Rivian as a way to bring more and improved affordable EVs to the marketplace.
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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2024, 12:18:19 PM »
They also released their gen2 R1T/S to very favorable reviews.

That's cool. One of my neighbors got a new Rivian truck 2 years ago (I don't know the model), and it's really nice-looking. He loves it.
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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2024, 12:42:12 PM »
What is the batteries lifetime?
A workmate had some interesting perspectives.  He seemed to believe the car had little value once the batteries were shot.
Also he felt, for everyday driving around town or commute, get an electric vehicle.  If going on a long trip, just rent a gas vehicle.

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« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2024, 01:08:14 PM »
What is the batteries lifetime?
A workmate had some interesting perspectives.  He seemed to believe the car had little value once the batteries were shot.
Also he felt, for everyday driving around town or commute, get an electric vehicle.  If going on a long trip, just rent a gas vehicle.

We have a 10 yr/100,000 mile warranty on the battery. So we'll see how long the thing lasts.

Ours has been only used for local travel so far, but we're planning on taking it for a longer trip soon and stopping for some juice along the way. Interested to see how that goes.

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« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2024, 01:34:18 PM »
All true. Though it does seem like if you've worked on a vehicle you've been touting heavily for 5+ years and calling it the next great vehicle in the history of mankind, you might not have 3 recalls in its first few months on the road. But sure, I've owned vehicles with recalls, too, including on one of the cars we own now.

Nah, they're finding bugs.  A lot of cars have recalls.  Many of the bugs are fixable through software updates.

I think the word recall sounds a lot worse than it actually it.

And I'm no Elon stan.

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2024, 01:38:56 PM »
What is the batteries lifetime?
A workmate had some interesting perspectives.  He seemed to believe the car had little value once the batteries were shot.
Also he felt, for everyday driving around town or commute, get an electric vehicle.  If going on a long trip, just rent a gas vehicle.

Replacing the batteries will be very expensive, though I imagine with tech improvements the life cycles can be extended or the cost of replacement will come down.

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2024, 03:11:23 PM »


Former Packer star Randall Cobb and his family "lucky to be alive" after their Tesla charger sparked a raging house fire:

https://nypost.com/2024/06/26/sports/randall-cobb-family-escape-after-tesla-charger-causes-house-fire/


Have some patience, FFS.

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2024, 03:17:47 PM »

Former Packer star Randall Cobb and his family "lucky to be alive" after their Tesla charger sparked a raging house fire:

https://nypost.com/2024/06/26/sports/randall-cobb-family-escape-after-tesla-charger-causes-house-fire/

ICE vehicles catch fire at higher rates than EVs

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« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2024, 03:18:25 PM »
We have a 10 yr/100,000 mile warranty on the battery. So we'll see how long the thing lasts.

Ours has been only used for local travel so far, but we're planning on taking it for a longer trip soon and stopping for some juice along the way. Interested to see how that goes.

What are you driving?

I've taken my EV6 on numerous 200-500 mile road trips. Lemme know if you have any questions

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2024, 03:18:37 PM »
ICE vehicles catch fire at higher rates than EVs

Sittile idle (not running) in the garage?

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2024, 03:21:05 PM »
ICE vehicles absolutely catch fire more often than do EVs.  EVs are tougher to extinguish.
   My favorite story like that is the firefighter charging his Nissan Leaf with a Dollar General extension cord and having an electrical fire in his garage.
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« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2024, 03:35:17 PM »
ICE vehicles catch fire at higher rates than EVs

But EV fires are more dangerous and harder to put out.

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« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2024, 03:56:54 PM »
But EV fires are more dangerous and harder to put out.

And more likely to happen in a garage...

Edit:  It's an age old battery charging problem.  Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries should be better (with appropriate charging control), but only about 40% of EVs use them so far.
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« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2024, 03:59:17 PM »
ICE vehicles catch fire at higher rates than EVs

It wasn't the vehicle; it was the charger.

How many houses have burned down because the owner's gas station caught on fire?
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« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2024, 04:05:39 PM »
It wasn't the vehicle; it was the charger.

I've got to believe that was a misstatement?  Most car chargers are actually *in* the car.  The thing is the garage is mostly a high voltage cable.  But it's possible that was wired improperly.  Most garage fires are caused by electrical issues.

Edit:  The pic is of an electrical panel, so probably a home electrical problem, not the car.
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« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2024, 04:24:12 PM »
And more likely to happen in a garage...

Edit:  It's an age old battery charging problem.  Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries should be better (with appropriate charging control), but only about 40% of EVs use them so far.

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« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2024, 04:29:36 PM »
Horses don’t catch on fire

But hay does.

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« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2024, 05:29:03 PM »
But hay does.

I don’t think that’s scientifically provable
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« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2024, 06:05:41 PM »
The charger was in the garage.   Perhaps it was wired incorrectly.
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« Reply #48 on: June 26, 2024, 06:11:50 PM »
It wasn't the vehicle; it was the charger.

How many houses have burned down because the owner's gas station caught on fire?

I think a better analogy would be "how many houses burn down because of faulty or incorrectly installed appliances?"

The Tesla S draws about 48 amps when charging (according to google). That's about double what a 2 ton AC unit draws, just over what a 5 ton draws. That's big boy amperage.

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« Reply #49 on: June 26, 2024, 06:17:12 PM »
I think a better analogy would be "how many houses burn down because of faulty or incorrectly installed appliances?"

The Tesla S draws about 48 amps when charging (according to google). That's about double what a 2 ton AC unit draws, just over what a 5 ton draws. That's big boy amperage.

Ding ding ding.

Space heaters and window AC units through cheap extension cords cause many fires.  Poorly installed,  old, or overloaded wiring is no bueno.   
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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #50 on: July 07, 2024, 05:44:40 PM »
Anyone have any opinion, comments or thoughts on the 2023 Chevy Bolt?

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Re: The return of EVs thread
« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2024, 08:41:12 AM »
Has anyone run into the Dealer keeping the IRS tax credit?
From Car & Driver:
Buyer beware: This is an easy scam. Get a copy of the bill of sale the dealer sends to the IRS and the confirmation the IRS sends to the dealer. Be certain the cash or discount on the final purchase price is correct. Current IRS guidance does not appear to penalize a dealer from keeping some or all of the credit.
https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32586259/how-ev-tax-credits-work/

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« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2024, 10:03:18 AM »
Anyone have any opinion, comments or thoughts on the 2023 Chevy Bolt?

It's a great EV for in-town driving.

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« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2024, 10:05:09 AM »
RIVN stock was up 9% yesterday and is up 40% premarket today after the joint venture with VW was announced.

VW tying in with Rivian for their "software"

Does the Rivian software cheat too??
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« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2024, 10:53:04 AM »
VW tying in with Rivian for their "software"

Does the Rivian software cheat too??

That's a great point. How are Rivian vehicles passing emissions? Probably VW software causing them to blow 0s.

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« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2024, 10:56:26 AM »
VW tying in with Rivian for their "software"

Does the Rivian software cheat too??

If I can go 2/2 in cars being bought back for more then I bought them for, I'm all game.

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