Transfer Portal vs. Recruiting, retaining , developing

[Viper]

I think Ben stays at the 5 and Royce moves into the Joplin 4 role.  I think Clark and Caedin can combine to give Jayce Johnson presence next season.  It was never about production with JJ, as that was was disappointing.   It was about giving physical minutes. 

with regard to Ben you are probably correct, but I sure hope not.

[JakeBarnes]

Ben would be a prized get in the portal for a p5 team.

[JTJ3]

Yup. Ben and Chase would both get PAID if they enterred the portal.  We see their flaws because we watch every second of every game, but their production and experience playing on winning teams would have tons of high level Power 5 teams fighting for them.

[MU82]

with regard to Ben you are probably correct, but I sure hope not.

Like you, I hope Ben goes away and we never hear his name again. He has been nothing but an anchor to the team these last three years, and there are probably 1,000 better 5s than him available. Having him start for this season's team made me embarrassed to wear any Marquette gear.

[Small Orange Soda]

Ya know, of all the players I listed, he was the one that I paused on.  I am not sure he would have been able to play defense for Shaka or handle the ball out top before rolling to the basket, but yeah.

If Caedin got minutes then Jayce certainly would have.

[Pakuni]

Yup. Ben and Chase would both get PAID if they enterred the portal.  We see their flaws because we watch every second of every game, but their production and experience playing on winning teams would have tons of high level Power 5 teams fighting for them.

Theo John was recruited to Duke.
Size is always a hot commodity in the portal.

[tower912]

This is starting to remind me of the offseason discussions in baseball and football.  The Brewers are a small market team who have been successful developing their own players for the most part and still making the playoffs.   The critiquing of whether or not the OL help the Bears signed will be enough. 

I hope the players stick around and Shaka stays committed to his principles.

[Small Orange Soda]

Theo John was recruited to Duke.
Size is always a hot commodity in the portal.

And he came off the bench for them.

I think most people who want Shaka to utilize the portal want him to because there are guys not ready and/or capable of stepping into the roles of departed players. I'm totally fine with Tre coming off the bench the next couple years. If he's starting, we're in trouble.

[Elonsmusk]

Let us hypothesize, for the sake of argument, that there are wholesale departures
Do you think the team would be improved by a Carlino, a Reinhardt, a McEwen, a Carton, a Jayce Johnson?

Carlino - No
Reinhardt - Yes
McEwen - No
Carton - Yes
Jayce - No

Carton is better than Carlino.  That aside I'd probably take DJ over Sean Jones, though I am a big Sean Jones fan.  Gold is better than Jayce.  McEwen would be a downgrade over Chase/Zaide.

[Pakuni]

I hope the players stick around and Shaka stays committed to his principles.

I mentioned this in another thread, but maybe it'll get some traction here.
Nick Saban went from one of the best college football coaches of his time to the GOAT because, by his own account, he was willing to adapt his coaching and leadership philosophies over time. While he had a set of core of principles that revolved around things like work ethic and commitment, but he was always flexible around the edges, whether it be in his approach to players or his schemes.
I don't believe Shaka is as rigid as he's often portrayed here, but if he is, that's a mistake and he could learn something from Saban.

[Pakuni]

Carlino - No
Reinhardt - Yes
McEwen - No
Carton - Yes
Jayce - No

Carton is better than Carlino.  That aside I'd probably take DJ over Sean Jones, though I am a big Sean Jones fan.  Gold is better than Jayce.  McEwen would be a downgrade over Chase/Zaide.

Carlino would give this team a legitimate shooting threat who could stretch defenses. He was a 42% three-point shooter his one year at MU.
Jayce would give MU the legit backup center they don't have this year.

[Nukem2]

Carlino would give this team a legitimate shooting threat who could stretch defenses. He was a 42% three-point shooter his one year at MU.
Jayce would give MU the legit backup center they don't have this year.

Would be absolutely hilarious to watch Carlino defend in Shaka's defensive scheme! Carlino was good offensively. But his defense would make Rowsey look half way decent. Always tried for the steal and then watch his man blow right by.

[Pakuni]

Would be absolutely hilarious to watch Carlino defend in Shaka's defensive scheme! Carlino was good offensively. But his defense would make Rowsey look half way decent. Always tried for the steal and then watch his man blow right by.

Kam or Stevie need a rest in their opening round game this week.
Who'd you rather see come off the bench, Carlino or Tre?

[#UnleashSean]

Ben would be a prized get in the portal for a p5 team.

A stretch 5 who doesn't shoot?

[#UnleashSean]

I mentioned this in another thread, but maybe it'll get some traction here.
Nick Saban went from one of the best college football coaches of his time to the GOAT because, by his own account, he was willing to adapt his coaching and leadership philosophies over time. While he had a set of core of principles that revolved around things like work ethic and commitment, but he was always flexible around the edges, whether it be in his approach to players or his schemes.
I don't believe Shaka is as rigid as he's often portrayed here, but if he is, that's a mistake and he could learn something from Saban.

Yep. I have my doubts of everyone gets paid the same, everyone's happy, we don't deal with agents. Once 18-22year Olds with dim futures in the NBA start getting offered 500k-4m to play ball in college, I think the Shaka no agents mode goes out the windows.

Only time will tell, and realistically that's going to be this off season. Probably the 1st one that NIL and agents are fully understood and prepared

[The Sultan]

Yep. I have my doubts of everyone gets paid the same, everyone's happy, we don't deal with agents. Once 18-22year Olds with dim futures in the NBA start getting offered 500k-4m to play ball in college, I think the Shaka no agents mode goes out the windows.

Only time will tell, and realistically that's going to be this off season. Probably the 1st one that NIL and agents are fully understood and prepared

Shaka's not saying players can't have agents. He's just telling me players that agents aren't going to help them get more money.

[MuMark]

Shaka's not saying players can't have agents. He's just telling me players that agents aren't going to help them get more money.

 " you can have an agent if you want to but our collective isn't negotiating with him/her......so you're wasting your money." 

[MU82]

I mentioned this in another thread, but maybe it'll get some traction here.
Nick Saban went from one of the best college football coaches of his time to the GOAT because, by his own account, he was willing to adapt his coaching and leadership philosophies over time. While he had a set of core of principles that revolved around things like work ethic and commitment, but he was always flexible around the edges, whether it be in his approach to players or his schemes.
I don't believe Shaka is as rigid as he's often portrayed here, but if he is, that's a mistake and he could learn something from Saban.

I agree with all of this, and I have confidence that Shaka will adapt as necessary. For example, he's already largely gone away from the defense he used at VCU and the offense he used at Texas.

He's a coach. He lives to win basketball games and he hates to lose. He's paid to win basketball games. If the new reality dictates that Shaka has to use the transfer portal to keep Marquette in contention for NCAAT bids and success, I think he will do so.

Right now, he believes that MU's recruit-develop-retain philosophy is advantageous, and he's been buoyed in that belief by the many statements recruits have made about why they've chosen Marquette over other suitors. And it's hard to argue that it's been unsuccessful so far.

I say all of the above as a fan who has said numerous times over the last 2-3 years that I'd have liked to have seen us add a veteran big who could have provided 10-20 minutes of toughness and fouls. Shaka didn't do that. Although I wish he did, I've nonetheless really enjoyed watching Marquette hoops these last four seasons and, overall, I'll trust Shaka's vision for the program until he gives me reason not to.

[Viper]

Theo John was recruited to Duke.
Size is always a hot commodity in the portal.

I wish Ben played like a 5. We actually need a guy like Theo!

[Viper]

Like you, I hope Ben goes away and we never hear his name again. He has been nothing but an anchor to the team these last three years, and there are probably 1,000 better 5s than him available. Having him start for this season's team made me embarrassed to wear any Marquette gear.

...if Ben was coming off the bench, absolutely fine. Starter at 5? No thx..

[Jockey]

I think Ben stays at the 5 and Royce moves into the Joplin 4 role.  I think Clark and Caedin can combine to give Jayce Johnson presence next season.  It was never about production with JJ, as that was was disappointing.  It was about giving physical minutes. 

Parham is a 4 on both ends of the floor, so hopefully he won't have to play much of the 5.

But center is still going to be the biggest problem area next year. You know it's pretty bad when you realize how much better the team would be this year with Steven Crowl at center instead of Ben.

[MuggsyB]

I wish Ben played like a 5. We actually need a guy like Theo!

Theo couldn't stay on the floor Viper. 

[MU82]

You know it's pretty bad when you realize how much better the team would be this year with Steven Crowl at center instead of Ben.

Crowl had 2 points in 28 minutes against us, as Gold outplayed him and helped our heroes rout your BIL's team.

But OK.

[The Sultan]

I can't believe we have Scoopers pining for Theo. We've come full circle.

[tower912]

Parham is a 4 on both ends of the floor, so hopefully he won't have to play much of the 5.

But center is still going to be the biggest problem area next year. You know it's pretty bad when you realize how much better the team would be this year with Steven Crowl at center instead of Ben.

Ben held Crowl to 2 points head to head.