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2025 Bracketology
« on: May 07, 2024, 12:48:07 AM »
Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #5 Seed playing #12 seed Princeton in Providence. With the winner playing the winner of # 4 Seed Tennessee versus #13 Seed Vermont in the West San Francisco Region

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Re: 2025 Bracketology
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2024, 06:22:33 AM »
Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #5 Seed playing #12 seed Princeton in Providence. With the winner playing the winner of # 4 Seed Tennessee versus #13 Seed Vermont in the West San Francisco Region


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Re: 2025 Bracketology
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2024, 09:00:43 AM »
The Athletic did a college hoops mailbag and I asked about their thoughts on MU's ceiling. Got a response, seems the hoops world (sans field of 68) has a lot of respect for Kam and Shaka, and this veteran roster.

What’s the ceiling for Marquette next year?

"An All-America season for Kam Jones and a top-3 seed in the NCAA Tournament. Shaka Smart has shown that a commitment to development and roster continuity works. Jones proved when Tyler Kolek was out late in the year that he could be the focal point of the offense. Chase Ross has star potential. The loss of Oso Ighodaro is tough to replace on both ends, but Ben Gold made improvements in that Ighodaro role in some of Marquette’s two-man games and his shooting is a real plus. David Joplin will be plenty motivated after a disastrous final game of his season. The roster is still solid. Still old. Good depth. Feels like the floor is high because we’ve seen these guys win together already. — Moore"

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Re: 2025 Bracketology
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2024, 09:42:25 AM »
Thanks for sharing that zcg. Great stuff.

I will say that it's probably too early to say that Shaka has proven "that a commitment to development and roster continuity works." Very small sample size so far, and the NIL/Freedom of Movement Era in major college sports is in its infancy.

We'll get a better idea once Shaka is operating with only his own recruits and college sports are a few more years into this experiment.

But as others have pointed out, this will be the final Covid year for athletes, and once that goes, the Shaka system could be even more attractive.

It's all gonna be real interesting to watch unfold. We Are Marquette!
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2024, 11:02:13 AM »
I mean I’m very bullish on Shaka in all facets, and have come to love his style/system and the way he’s doing things at Marquette.

I also love Kam Jones and his abilities, I’ve been on board with him becoming an all American type of guard since day 1.

However, Marquette is losing an All American pg, the best in the country and the catalyst for everything the squad has done these past few seasons, AND an all BE 5 that is perfect for Shaka’s system and the 1A catalyst for everything that’s been special these past few years.

So, IF that excerpt and the prognostications are accurate, and IF Shaka finds a way to lead Marquette to another top 3/4 seed in this upcoming NCAAt, THEN it seems like there is really nothing to fear going forward.
That would mean to me that, if he sticks around and continues to bring in guys that buy in and have the talent- always big IFs- then Marquette will win a National Championship under Coach Smart at some point.

It would seem impossible to get protected seeds year in and year out and not win one, although I’m certain there are some cases in the past 25 years.
I do think with continued/retained success in this new era it will be easier to break thru because of the turnover that others have, but there’s really no concrete data to that opinion.

I’m usually very glass half full, but this upcoming year, when Shaka loses Tyler and Oso, has always been the “take a step back” year.
If that doesn’t happen, and Marquette gets another protected seed, it really changes how I see the future going.
It would make Marquette a legit National Title contender that’s here to stay in the next decade.

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Re: 2025 Bracketology
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2024, 11:09:53 AM »
Mark Few has been getting protected seed for 2 decades and hasn't won a natty.  There is a still a huge range between "exceeds all expectations" and "wins a National Championship".

I'm not saying that Shaka can't, but making the assessment that if he can get a protected next year then he will win a natty is a huge leap imo.
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold.  He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.

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Re: 2025 Bracketology
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2024, 11:10:31 AM »
I mean, they can "take a step back" and still be a protected seed. I'm not sure I'd consider that a bad outcome.

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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2024, 11:15:04 AM »
Great post.  The last paragraph is key.  This year and next are where there will be proof of concept.  Did Shaka get lucky with Kolek and retaining Wojo players?  Could there have been completely different players the first three years with the same success?  That is the lingering question and I hope his coaching and development will be just as much as a reason for the team’s success as any specific players.  At least I hope so. 

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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2024, 11:24:16 AM »
Development is more important than retention.  I thought MU would only be active in the portal if there were departures.   That proved accurate.   

However, now the real work begins.   Getting Ben confident.   Getting the unproven length ready for the rigors of the Big East.    Tre and Zaide realizing their potential.    These are not small tasks.

Good luck and get to work.
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2024, 11:47:59 AM »
Marquette will win a National Championship under Coach Smart at some point.

I edited this for you, Brother Doctor V.

We will and that's all there is to it!

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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2024, 11:48:54 AM »

But as others have pointed out, this will be the final Covid year for athletes, and once that goes, the Shaka system could be even more attractive.


Curious to know the numbers next season for those in their COVID year.  That is a lot of experienced basketball talent that is of known quality and has NIL free agent value.  It is also talent that has been blocking underclassman who may have felt more inclined to move around.





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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2024, 01:29:34 PM »
I am of the thinking that a 4, 5 or 6 seed is about right for expectations.  Without any incoming experienced players on the docket, I feel like we have just enough flaws to not achieve what we did the last 2 years.  Another point guard, size and consistent 3-point shooter are areas we could have improved on with a key addition but didn't.  Instead, we are going headfirst with all of our eggs in one basket.  That everyone makes very impactful improvements. 

I am ok with Shaka sticking to his gameplan but slightly adjusted such as to add maybe 1 key player from the portal in any given year.  It will be interesting to see how it works out at the end of the year.  If Xavier and St. Johns or some other Big East teams jump over us in the standings, it will be a disappointment.  Especially considering what we have going into the year.   

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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2024, 02:12:03 PM »
My bracketology for 2032 is a 4 seed vs Colorado state

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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2024, 02:29:03 PM »
My bracketology for 2032 is a 4 seed vs Colorado state
That CSU teams projects to be under-seeded. Upset Alert!!

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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2024, 02:32:26 PM »
Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #5 Seed playing #12 seed Princeton in Providence. With the winner playing the winner of # 4 Seed Tennessee versus #13 Seed Vermont in the West San Francisco Region

Lunardi hates Marquette.

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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2024, 03:56:14 PM »
I didn’t mention that my instinct for this upcoming season is in the 6/7 seed range along with a “surprise” run to the S16 or maybe E8.

The March success/overachievement is an inverse of past results, but I can see this years team really relishing an ‘underdog’ type of mentality and using it for a nice March run.

It’s far too early for these types of predictions since rosters aren’t set, but it seems like we know what we’ve got.
If I had to predict at this point I’d go with the above and be pretty happy with it.

I’d say that doing worse than that is more likely than doing better than it, however, but hopefully Shaka and co have other ideas. It would likely take surprise improvements, of the ‘better than expected’ variety, from multiple guys or Jop/Stevie becoming all BE, or one of the frosh being awesome from the jump offensively and good enough to get the minutes defensively.




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Re: 2025 Bracketology
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2024, 04:10:03 PM »
Seniors Kam, Stevie, and Jolp and Juniors Chase and Ben getting lots of minutes bodes well for this team.  Those guys, flaws and all, have a lot of heart and will be a tough out in the tourney.
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2024, 04:14:43 PM »
Yes.
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2024, 12:57:10 AM »
3 Days Ago Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #6 Seed playing #11 seed Missouri/Nebraska in Raleigh. With the winner playing the winner of # 3 Seed North Carolina versus #14 Seed Charleston in the East Newark Region

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2024, 09:46:57 AM »
3 Days Ago Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #6 Seed playing #11 seed Missouri/Nebraska in Raleigh. With the winner playing the winner of # 3 Seed North Carolina versus #14 Seed Charleston in the East Newark Region

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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2024, 01:06:27 AM »
3 Days Ago Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #6 Seed playing #11 seed Boise State in Seattle. With the winner playing the winner of # 3 Seed Arizona  versus #14 Seed Samford in the East Newark Region

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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2024, 08:35:04 AM »
3 Days Ago Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #6 Seed playing #11 seed Boise State in Seattle. With the winner playing the winner of # 3 Seed Arizona  versus #14 Seed Samford in the East Newark Region

Lunardi hates Marquette.

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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2024, 09:12:41 AM »
Lunardi hates Marquette.

So does Rothstein

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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2024, 09:58:57 AM »
3 Days Ago Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #6 Seed playing #11 seed Boise State in Seattle. With the winner playing the winner of # 3 Seed Arizona  versus #14 Seed Samford in the East Newark Region

so, the tourney starts next week, right? No reason to play the games as the guy who lives in a cave has already figured out the season before rosters are even finalized.
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2024, 10:05:19 AM »
Well, MU's roster is finalized.
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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2024, 10:18:50 AM »
so, the tourney starts next week, right? No reason to play the games as the guy who lives in a cave has already figured out the season before rosters are even finalized.

You can at least start making travel plans for the second weekend in advance.

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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2024, 10:19:39 AM »
so, the tourney starts next week, right? No reason to play the games as the guy who lives in a cave has already figured out the season before rosters are even finalized.

Yeah, I'm about as connected to Bracketology as one can be and still discuss this with other bracket nerds deep into summer, but this thread is completely useless until late December or early January.
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2024, 10:34:55 AM »
so, the tourney starts next week, right? No reason to play the games as the guy who lives in a cave has already figured out the season before rosters are even finalized.
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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2024, 10:50:55 AM »
Who cares?

Get rid of recruiting rankings until kids are into their senior high school seasons, because things change over the years right?  So they're pointless early, I guess.

Get rid of polls because they're pointless early in the year and don't really matter for anything at the end of the day.

Get rid of KenPom and predictive rankings until half way through conference season.

Heck, just invite 4 one seeds to the Tournament and let them duke it out for a title.

It's entertainment.  People complain about college football giving the shaft to every other college sports, and then complain that college basketball is throwing out ultimately useless stuff to entertain college basketball fans during the summer, after the portal is closed and the date to withdraw from the NBA Draft.
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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2024, 09:17:06 AM »
Who cares?

Get rid of recruiting rankings until kids are into their senior high school seasons, because things change over the years right?  So they're pointless early, I guess.

Get rid of polls because they're pointless early in the year and don't really matter for anything at the end of the day.

Get rid of KenPom and predictive rankings until half way through conference season.

Heck, just invite 4 one seeds to the Tournament and let them duke it out for a title.

It's entertainment.  People complain about college football giving the shaft to every other college sports, and then complain that college basketball is throwing out ultimately useless stuff to entertain college basketball fans during the summer, after the portal is closed and the date to withdraw from the NBA Draft.

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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2024, 06:44:09 PM »
Who cares?

Get rid of recruiting rankings until kids are into their senior high school seasons, because things change over the years right?  So they're pointless early, I guess.

Get rid of polls because they're pointless early in the year and don't really matter for anything at the end of the day.

Get rid of KenPom and predictive rankings until half way through conference season.

Heck, just invite 4 one seeds to the Tournament and let them duke it out for a title.

It's entertainment.  People complain about college football giving the shaft to every other college sports, and then complain that college basketball is throwing out ultimately useless stuff to entertain college basketball fans during the summer, after the portal is closed and the date to withdraw from the NBA Draft.

Agree

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« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2024, 01:00:18 PM »
Yeah, I'm about as connected to Bracketology as one can be and still discuss this with other bracket nerds deep into summer, but this thread is completely useless until late December or early January.

Hot take.  Prophetic in fact.

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« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2024, 03:05:54 PM »
Who cares?

Get rid of recruiting rankings until kids are into their senior high school seasons, because things change over the years right?  So they're pointless early, I guess.

Get rid of polls because they're pointless early in the year and don't really matter for anything at the end of the day.

Get rid of KenPom and predictive rankings until half way through conference season.

Heck, just invite 4 one seeds to the Tournament and let them duke it out for a title.

It's entertainment.  People complain about college football giving the shaft to every other college sports, and then complain that college basketball is throwing out ultimately useless stuff to entertain college basketball fans during the summer, after the portal is closed and the date to withdraw from the NBA Draft.


I am good with all your suggestions if it will stop discussion of NCAA seeding prior to the February prior to the tourney.   and mock drafts, kill them too...

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