NIL Future

[MuggsyB]

I think this deserves a separate thread.  Personally I hate it,  but get that these are the times.  I also think realignment is awful  as well.  Imagine being in the B20, not having charter planes, and going to a mid-week track meet from Cali to College Park?  Anyway, will there be an NIL cap and can MU compete with schools with much larger endowments and alumni bases?  Will it get to a point where Ivies and Stanford for example just pay for the best talent?  All of this concerns me.  I'd prefer not to get rid of my islands and planes. 

[oldwarrior81]

I think college football (school presidents) will eventually move to a league outside the NCAA's jurisdiction.
Maybe it's 50 teams, maybe 80.
Which could allow for the unionization of players and minimizing the impact of NIL.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

As oldwarrior says, unless student athletes becomes employees, unionize, and agree to cap compensation due to a collective bargaining agreement, there really is no way to limit compensation. And that doesn't limit external NIL.

Unless Congress grants the NCAA antitrust exemption. Which is a terrible idea.

Can Marquette compete? Hope so. Not worth worrying about.

[4everwarriors]

NIL is the ruination of college athletics, as we know it. The rich will get richer..., hey?

[Badgerhater]

NIL is the ruination of college athletics, as we know it. The rich will get richer..., hey?

Probably true.  So let’s enjoy the ride now.

[MuggsyB]

NIL is the ruination of college athletics, as we know it. The rich will get richer..., hey?

I don't care for it.

[Uncle Rico]

Never felt more confident of the future of college athletics

[MuggsyB]

Never felt more confident of the future of college athletics

Confident of what?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

It won't be the "ruination" of anything and the rich have always gotten richer.

Not sure if in the long run it will benefit Marquette however.

[Uncle Rico]

Confident of what?

Not being ruined, at least by NIL.

Ruined by conferences?  Yes.  Ruined by the people leading it?  Yes.  Not by NIL

[MuggsyB]

It won't be the "ruination" of anything and the rich have always gotten richer.

Not sure if in the long run it will benefit Marquette however.

So if it won't be good for Marquette is it safe to say it will be much worse for mid-majors?  And if that's the case the tournament becomes way, way, way, worse?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

So if it won't be good for Marquette is it safe to say it will be much worse for mid-majors?  And if that's the case the tournament becomes way, way, way, worse?

Well “the tournament” isn’t “college athletics.” So what is bad for one isn’t necessarily bad for the other.

[tower912]

So, the elites get the best players and the non-elites fight to build teams out of the thousands of basketball players not recruited by the elites.   

[4everwarriors]

It won't be the "ruination" of anything and the rich have always gotten richer.

Not sure if in the long run it will benefit Marquette however.

Never fails, the Wizard puts everything in prospective, aina?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Never fails, the Wizard puts everything in prospective, aina?

I'm either a smart man...or I have just looked back at everything that was declared to be the ruination of sports, and realized that not only have those predictions not come to pass, they've been laughably wrong.

[MuggsyB]

Well “the tournament” isn’t “college athletics.” So what is bad for one isn’t necessarily bad for the other.

Why bother calling it "college athletics"?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Why bother calling it "college athletics"?

That's the phrase that 4ever used.

[MuggsyB]

So, the elites get the best players and the non-elites fight to build teams out of the thousands of basketball players not recruited by the elites.   

There's more to it than just that.  This could be an unmitigated disaster Tower. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

There's more to it than just that.  This could be an unmitigated disaster Tower. 

You do you Muggs.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Adapt or die.  The NCAA had a plethora of opportunities over the years to change and it ignorantly held firm in the belief of "amateur" athletics - something that really hasn't truly existed in its written form in decades.  It developed into a billion dollar industry with free labor, and ultimately the courts have viewed what is the amateur model of the NCAA as unconstitutional with all of the rulings it has either passed or upheld. 

Marquette can continue to be a high-level program within this current landscape.  It has the market, it has the focus (no football) and it has the support behind the scenes.  I am not worried at all about that.  What will need to happen is to let the market settle over the course of several years for there to be a wider and better understanding of NIL, the portal and have some type of consistency. 

What is a by-product of the current system is that there are many student-athletes that have not signed any written agreement, but promised $$$ through NIL, that never came through or went unfulfilled.  There should be a standard contract for all these student-athletes (and schools/NIL providers can put a final pay date at the end of a season, thus preventing or encouraging mid-season or even postseason transfers).  Protects both sides IMO.  There's still so much to figure out that a majority of current athletic departments and coaches don't fully grasp yet.

[WhiteTrash]

Adapt or die.  The NCAA had a plethora of opportunities over the years to change and it ignorantly held firm in the belief of "amateur" athletics - something that really hasn't truly existed in its written form in decades.  It developed into a billion dollar industry with free labor, and ultimately the courts have viewed what is the amateur model of the NCAA as unconstitutional with all of the rulings it has either passed or upheld. 

Marquette can continue to be a high-level program within this current landscape.  It has the market, it has the focus (no football) and it has the support behind the scenes.  I am not worried at all about that.  What will need to happen is to let the market settle over the course of several years for there to be a wider and better understanding of NIL, the portal and have some type of consistency. 

What is a by-product of the current system is that there are many student-athletes that have not signed any written agreement, but promised $$$ through NIL, that never came through or went unfulfilled.  There should be a standard contract for all these student-athletes (and schools/NIL providers can put a final pay date at the end of a season, thus preventing or encouraging mid-season or even postseason transfers).  Protects both sides IMO.  There's still so much to figure out that a majority of current athletic departments and coaches don't fully grasp yet.

Don't undermine a good post with false claims of "free labor". You threaten your credibility. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Don't undermine a good post with false claims of "free labor". You threaten your credibility. 

Under compensated labor.

[HutchwasClutch]

Not being ruined, at least by NIL.

Ruined by conferences?  Yes.  Ruined by the people leading it?  Yes.  Not by NIL

You didn’t answer the question what you’re feeling so confident about.  And you provided examples of what you think may ruin it.

[WhiteTrash]

Under compensated labor.

Yes, for much of D1.

[4everwarriors]

Well, if they're not gettin' $20/hr, they could be flippin' burgers at Mickey D's, aina?

[Uncle Rico]

You didn’t answer the question what you’re feeling so confident about.  And you provided examples of what you think may ruin it.

I’m confident NIL won’t ruin college sports because college sports as we know it are over.

NIL is simply the result of the people running the sport burying their heads in the sand despite all the evidence pointing to this inevitability.

What will happen is, the Big Ten and SEC and whatever monolith they’ll create for football will use NIL and the portal and whatever other doomsday happening as an excuse for why they have to split from the NCAA when the real reason is, they just want that sweet TV money.  They have a solid foundation of fans that will believe they had no choice because NIL and these maladies forced their hands but it’s not true.

How this will change college basketball remains to be seen because football drives it all, but no, it’s not an NIL problem.  It’s a money problem all right, just not the money problem generating angst.

[HutchwasClutch]

I’m confident NIL won’t ruin college sports because college sports as we know it are over.

NIL is simply the result of the people running the sport burying their heads in the sand despite all the evidence pointing to this inevitability.

What will happen is, the Big Ten and SEC and whatever monolith they’ll create for football will use NIL and the portal and whatever other doomsday happening as an excuse for why they have to split from the NCAA when the real reason is, they just want that sweet TV money.  They have a solid foundation of fans that will believe they had no choice because NIL and these maladies forced their hands but it’s not true.

How this will change college basketball remains to be seen because football drives it all, but no, it’s not an NIL problem.  It’s a money problem all right, just not the money problem generating angst.

Sounds correct to me.

[lawdog77]

So, the elites get the best players and the non-elites fight to build teams out of the thousands of basketball players not recruited by the elites.   

Good thing that recruiting is an inexact science and many players develop when they age

[Pakuni]

Good thing that recruiting is an inexact science and many players develop when they age

You're right, but the downside of that is that the elite programs are going to poach a bunch of those players after they develop.

[lawdog77]

You're right, but the downside of that is that the elite programs are going to poach a bunch of those players after they develop.

As long as we are the poacher and not poachee

[BrewCity83]

Here's what we need:

https://badgerswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/17/wisconsin-badgers-football-nil-beer-varsity-collective-launch/

Someone with a connection to a local brewery needs to get them connected with the MU NIL collective and get us our own NIL brew. 

[JakeBarnes]

Here's what we need:

https://badgerswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/17/wisconsin-badgers-football-nil-beer-varsity-collective-launch/

Someone with a connection to a local brewery needs to get them connected with the MU NIL collective and get us our own NIL brew.

There's been a lot of collab with Good City brewing and David is a MU law alum. Not sure how they feel about doing an NIL thing, but it'd be pretty good to have an NIL beer right by the stadium...

[BrewCity83]

It sure would.  Get the brand into Fiserv Forum and Miller Park too.  Now we're talking some volume.

[mug644]

Why not connect the Be the Difference NIL collective with MU's own student business venture, Blue and Gold Brewing https://www.bandgbrewing.com?

[Viper]

I’m confident NIL won’t ruin college sports because college sports as we know it are over.

NIL is simply the result of the people running the sport burying their heads in the sand despite all the evidence pointing to this inevitability.

What will happen is, the Big Ten and SEC and whatever monolith they’ll create for football will use NIL and the portal and whatever other doomsday happening as an excuse for why they have to split from the NCAA when the real reason is, they just want that sweet TV money.  They have a solid foundation of fans that will believe they had no choice because NIL and these maladies forced their hands but it’s not true.

How this will change college basketball remains to be seen because football drives it all, but no, it’s not an NIL problem.  It’s a money problem all right, just not the money problem generating angst.

are you contributing $ to Marquette basketball player salaries?

[Uncle Rico]

are you contributing $ to Marquette basketball player salaries?

Not a dime

[Herman Cain]

I think this deserves a separate thread.  Personally I hate it,  but get that these are the times.  I also think realignment is awful  as well.  Imagine being in the B20, not having charter planes, and going to a mid-week track meet from Cali to College Park?  Anyway, will there be an NIL cap and can MU compete with schools with much larger endowments and alumni bases?  Will it get to a point where Ivies and Stanford for example just pay for the best talent?  All of this concerns me.  I'd prefer not to get rid of my islands and planes. 

Muggsy:
The MU Alumni and Supporter community has limited resources.

Yes, MU has spent extensively on it’s own program Pre -NIL and that was money well spent over the years.

Seems like our Coach has advocated to the Boosters that everyone on the roster to have some NIL. Seems like that ohilosophy works well with the high school player development approach that appears to be the current mode.

MU can’t compete with Big Dollar schools on a pure NIL basis , however I am not convinced the evidence is there that pure dollars can buy Championships. Simply because there are still a lot of teams with dollars and talent develops at different rates. Also there are roster limits and kids don't want to sit on the bench either. So MU just needs enough to attract four Big East Quality kids a year and coach them up. 

Hopefully the Big East remains a strong viable conference  and  that should also keep the high school talent considering MU. Networks have a stake in seeing their content be worth something. So next Media contract should be solid.

MU under Shaka, in an NIL environment, is a solid top 15 program. Not a bad place to be.

[brewcity77]

There's been a lot of collab with Good City brewing and David is a MU law alum. Not sure how they feel about doing an NIL thing, but it'd be pretty good to have an NIL beer right by the stadium...

Good City, Gathering Place, and Broken Bat all collaborated with the student-run Blue & Gold Brewing to develop the '77 Golden Ale last year and The Beer Can Cream Ale this year. I would probably say it's worth bringing to B&G Brewing's attention as it would be multi-purposed.

[mug644]

Good City, Gathering Place, and Broken Bat all collaborated with the student-run Blue & Gold Brewing to develop the '77 Golden Ale last year and The Beer Can Cream Ale this year. I would probably say it's worth bringing to B&G Brewing's attention as it would be multi-purposed.

As I posted earlier...

Why not connect the Be the Difference NIL collective with MU's own student business venture, Blue and Gold Brewing https://www.bandgbrewing.com?

[PointWarrior]

The MU Alumni and Supporter community has limited resources.


You know this how?

[Tyler COLEk]

The MU Alumni and Supporter community has limited resources.


You know this how?

Hermie is under the impression that schools are dipping into endowments to pay NIL.

[Uncle Rico]

The MU Alumni and Supporter community has limited resources.


You know this how?

He doesn’t

[tower912]

Will say this here rather than further corrupting the transfer portal thread.    I get the frustration with NIL and the thought this will drive fans away.  I had that moment with college football over a decade ago with the first big conference reorganization and the demise of that version of the Big East.  The same problem with men's professional golf right now.

Greed is still one of the seven deadlies.   

A long time ago, when you could still occasionally have a rational conversation with Chico, I argued that greed and narcissism were the biggest threats to society.   I haven't seen much to change my mind in the last dozen or so years.

[Pakuni]

Will say this here rather than further corrupting the transfer portal thread.    I get the frustration with NIL and the thought this will drive fans away.  I had that moment with college football over a decade ago with the first big conference reorganization and the demise of that version of the Big East.  The same problem with men's professional golf right now.

Greed is still one of the seven deadlies.

Who's guilty of greed here?

[Uncle Rico]

Will say this here rather than further corrupting the transfer portal thread.    I get the frustration with NIL and the thought this will drive fans away.  I had that moment with college football over a decade ago with the first big conference reorganization and the demise of that version of the Big East.  The same problem with men's professional golf right now.

Greed is still one of the seven deadlies.

I agree with this.  The money in college athletics is a massive problem, the biggest of which is the distribution of it.

Greed lead to conference realignment which destroyed decades long traditions and rivalries, done so with no regards to fans.  One of the unintended consequences has been the 4-hour games fans have to attend to stuff in commercials and terrible home schedules.  I know Badger season ticket holders who dropped season packages because of how bad the schedule is for football.  Easy to sell the Ohio State games.  Rutgers or Maryland?  Not so much.

The blame lays at the feet of the conference commissioners, school presidents and AD’s who chased every penny with no regard for the players or fans.  The reckoning has been coming for decades with regards to player compensation and they buried their heads in the sand. 

The portal and NIL are all things they could have controlled from the beginning.  Would people still howl about it being unfair?  Yup.  But you needed a plan and room to adjust.  Instead, you opened the floodgates with no plan to control the water.  That’s on you, universities, not the athletes.

[tower912]

Who isn't?   I have long thought that college athletes should get a stipend.   The legendary Jim Chones story comes to mind.   What we have now is the chaos that comes from a new product, a new way to make money, without enough guidelines.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Except there is no real evidence that fans are being driven away from college football or college basketball.

And while I agree that conference realignment is greed, I don't think NIL is. The current NIL environment is all about the NCAA and its member school digging in on amateurism until it lost control of its own destiny. The fact is many college athletes had values greater than their scholarships, and now we are living in an environment where they are allowed to max out those values.

And honestly good for them. There has been a lot of money flowing around intercollegiate athletics for years and it has mostly been used to build fancy new buildings and enrich the coaches and administrators in charge. So I am not going to hand-wring about Jonas Aidoo getting $1.4 million.  I have no idea if its sustainable or not. That's not my problem. It certainly isn't Jonas' problem. Grab that bag! Be smart with it. You will have a jump start on life that 99% of people your age won't have.

So don't blame the players because the adults in charge were unwilling to change. If everyone could go back a decade, the path would be easy. But a lot of people were paid a lot of money to be "in charge" of something. And they ended up REALLY bad at it.

[MU82]

Except there is no real evidence that fans are being driven away from college football or college basketball.

And while I agree that conference realignment is greed, I don't think NIL is. The current NIL environment is all about the NCAA and its member school digging in on amateurism until it lost control of its own destiny. The fact is many college athletes had values greater than their scholarships, and now we are living in an environment where they are allowed to max out those values.

And honestly good for them. There has been a lot of money flowing around intercollegiate athletics for years and it has mostly been used to build fancy new buildings and enrich the coaches and administrators in charge. So I am not going to hand-wring about Jonas Aidoo getting $1.4 million.  I have no idea if its sustainable or not. That's not my problem. It certainly isn't Jonas' problem. Grab that bag! Be smart with it. You will have a jump start on life that 99% of people your age won't have.

So don't blame the players because the adults in charge were unwilling to change. If everyone could go back a decade, the path would be easy. But a lot of people were paid a lot of money to be "in charge" of something. And they ended up REALLY bad at it.

Yep yep yep.

[MuggsyB]

I think the ramifications of all of this are far worse than the obvious.  And don't discount the roll that app gambling could play moving forward.  To think J Porter is the only one dumb enough to bet on his team or whatever is very naive.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I think the ramifications of all of this are far worse than the obvious. 

Like what?

[Pakuni]

Who isn't?   I have long thought that college athletes should get a stipend.   The legendary Jim Chones story comes to mind.   What we have now is the chaos that comes from a new product, a new way to make money, without enough guidelines.

Is it greedy to seek the best employment opportunity to provide for.yourself and your family?
If it is, then 99.9% of us are greedy. Kind of sucks to realize one is committing a deadly sin by taking a better job.

[MuggsyB]

Like what?

Like college players  betting a lot more because they have cash.  Or teammates resentful that they don't and betting to make up for it.  The easy access to sports gambling is very, very, bad, Fluffy.  You realize that young kids are being bombarded with Fanduel and these ads constantly while they watch pretty much anything.   This is a societal issue, and those that get directly involved in college sports, that can impact making a quick buck by their actions, will be constantly tempted. 

[Pakuni]

Except there is no real evidence that fans are being driven away from college football or college basketball.

And while I agree that conference realignment is greed, I don't think NIL is. The current NIL environment is all about the NCAA and its member school digging in on amateurism until it lost control of its own destiny. The fact is many college athletes had values greater than their scholarships, and now we are living in an environment where they are allowed to max out those values.

And honestly good for them. There has been a lot of money flowing around intercollegiate athletics for years and it has mostly been used to build fancy new buildings and enrich the coaches and administrators in charge. So I am not going to hand-wring about Jonas Aidoo getting $1.4 million.  I have no idea if its sustainable or not. That's not my problem. It certainly isn't Jonas' problem. Grab that bag! Be smart with it. You will have a jump start on life that 99% of people your age won't have.

So don't blame the players because the adults in charge were unwilling to change. If everyone could go back a decade, the path would be easy. But a lot of people were paid a lot of money to be "in charge" of something. And they ended up REALLY bad at it.

Nailed it.

[Uncle Rico]

Like college players  betting a lot more because they have cash.  Or teammates resentful that they don't and betting to make up for it.  The easy access to sports gambling is very, very, bad, Fluffy.  You realize that young kids are being bombarded with Fanduel and these ads constantly while they watch pretty much anything.   This is a societal issue, and those that get directly involved in college sports, that can impact making a quick buck by their actions, will be constantly tempted.

You do know salaries across any profession aren’t equal, right?  Good life lesson for these kids.  Work harder and get better.

I doubt kids are gambling.  It’s a sin to gamble

[Pakuni]

Like college players  betting a lot more because they have cash.  Or teammates resentful that they don't and betting to make up for it.  The easy access to sports gambling is very, very, bad, Fluffy.  You realize that young kids are being bombarded with Fanduel and these ads constantly while they watch pretty much anything.   This is a societal issue, and those that get directly involved in college sports, that can impact making a quick buck by their actions, will be constantly tempted.

None of this is new.
And how do professional sports teams survive with players receiving wildly disparate salaries?

[Hards Alumni]

Like college players  betting a lot more because they have cash.  Or teammates resentful that they don't and betting to make up for it.  The easy access to sports gambling is very, very, bad, Fluffy.  You realize that young kids are being bombarded with Fanduel and these ads constantly while they watch pretty much anything.   This is a societal issue, and those that get directly involved in college sports, that can impact making a quick buck by their actions, will be constantly tempted.

NIL going away changes none of this.  Stop being such a reactionary.

[wisblue]

Why bother calling it "college athletics"?

At the highest levels that’s been true for years.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Like college players  betting a lot more because they have cash.  Or teammates resentful that they don't and betting to make up for it.  The easy access to sports gambling is very, very, bad, Fluffy.  You realize that young kids are being bombarded with Fanduel and these ads constantly while they watch pretty much anything.   This is a societal issue, and those that get directly involved in college sports, that can impact making a quick buck by their actions, will be constantly tempted. 

You said “far worse than the obvious.” These are all pretty obvious.

[Viper]

Muggsy, you do realize that there are 4 or 5 on here, two of whom might be one, that will counter, argue and argue some more…on any post? In fact, have some fun. Post something totally made-up. Make it crazy outlandish. Then, sit back and watch these select have at it. They’ll debate themselves. The ‘always right’ crew live on Scoop, my friend.

[wadesworld]

Muggsy, you do realize that there are 4 or 5 on here, two of whom might be one, that will counter, argue and argue some more…on any post? In fact, have some fun. Post something totally made-up. Make it crazy outlandish. Then, sit back and watch these select have at it. They’ll debate themselves. The ‘always right’ crew live on Scoop, my friend.

Stick to RED.

[Hards Alumni]

Muggsy, you do realize that there are 4 or 5 on here, two of whom might be one, that will counter, argue and argue some more…on any post? In fact, have some fun. Post something totally made-up. Make it crazy outlandish. Then, sit back and watch these select have at it. They’ll debate themselves. The ‘always right’ crew live on Scoop, my friend.

Nah, some people just live in a world where you can't just make stuff up.  Apologies if you don't want to live in that world.

[TallTitan34]

Except there is no real evidence that fans are being driven away from college football or college basketball.

And while I agree that conference realignment is greed, I don't think NIL is. The current NIL environment is all about the NCAA and its member school digging in on amateurism until it lost control of its own destiny. The fact is many college athletes had values greater than their scholarships, and now we are living in an environment where they are allowed to max out those values.

And honestly good for them. There has been a lot of money flowing around intercollegiate athletics for years and it has mostly been used to build fancy new buildings and enrich the coaches and administrators in charge. So I am not going to hand-wring about Jonas Aidoo getting $1.4 million.  I have no idea if its sustainable or not. That's not my problem. It certainly isn't Jonas' problem. Grab that bag! Be smart with it. You will have a jump start on life that 99% of people your age won't have.

So don't blame the players because the adults in charge were unwilling to change. If everyone could go back a decade, the path would be easy. But a lot of people were paid a lot of money to be "in charge" of something. And they ended up REALLY bad at it.

^ This

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

The winners in an NIL scenario are the top schools.  The SEC commish/Greg Sankey said the quiet part out loud before the tourney.  It's clear they are trying to break things so they can consolidate the money.  I don't know why people blame the players -- at least they are now getting something from this out in the open vs. under the table.

[Shooter McGavin]

Will say this here rather than further corrupting the transfer portal thread.    I get the frustration with NIL and the thought this will drive fans away.  I had that moment with college football over a decade ago with the first big conference reorganization and the demise of that version of the Big East.  The same problem with men's professional golf right now.

Greed is still one of the seven deadlies.   

A long time ago, when you could still occasionally have a rational conversation with Chico, I argued that greed and narcissism were the biggest threats to society.   I haven't seen much to change my mind in the last dozen or so years.

Agree with the overall premise of this. 

I also agree with others that say it’s not the athletes problem. 

I’m still not sure any of this is sustainable with regard to the athletes as there is still no ROI for people funding this except for playing “GM/owner” of something you don’t own and are not the GM of. 

Basically it’s still lighting money on fire.  There can be only one national champion each year and 100s of millions of dollars thrown down the toilet.  When will donors get smart when it simply doesn’t work and they realize throwing more money at the players doesn’t change the fact that they are still only college players who are prone to stumble and bumble their way through seasons.

Owners like Jerry Jones or Jerry Reinsdorf (I just threw up in my mouth ) pay players but also get value in return.  These donors get nothing except pride when the money is reasonable.  They will be getting fleeced as the money becomes more unreasonable.  It just doesn’t seem sustainable unless Saudi oil is backing you.  And they are literally lighting their money on fire with the LIV tour.

[PointWarrior]

Agree with the overall premise of this. 

I also agree with others that say it’s not the athletes problem. 

I’m still not sure any of this is sustainable with regard to the athletes as there is still no ROI for people funding this except for playing “GM/owner” of something you don’t own and are not the GM of. 

Basically it’s still lighting money on fire.  There can be only one national champion each year and 100s of millions of dollars thrown down the toilet.  When will donors get smart when it simply doesn’t work and they realize throwing more money at the players doesn’t change the fact that they are still only college players who are prone to stumble and bumble their way through seasons.

Owners like Jerry Jones or Jerry Reinsdorf (I just threw up in my mouth ) pay players but also get value in return.  These donors get nothing except pride when the money is reasonable.  They will be getting fleeced as the money becomes more unreasonable.  It just doesn’t seem sustainable unless Saudi oil is backing you.  And they are literally lighting their money on fire with the LIV tour.

I think the Saudi's should pull a LIV on college basketball.   Start funding a no-status school like Chicago State, pay the top 10 players each year $5M and own the tourney year after year.  Then we might see the top conferences/school sing a different tune about NIL fairness.


 

[Shooter McGavin]

I think the Saudi's should pull a LIV on college basketball.   Start funding a no-status school like Chicago State, pay the top 10 players each year $5M and own the tourney year after year.  Then we might see the top conferences/school sing a different tune about NIL fairness.

That would be funny.  If I’m Chicago State I would try to set up a meeting.  Why not? 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Why would the Saudis do this? At least their investments in golf have a potential financial benefit down the line. What is supporting a public university's basketball team going to do for them?

[Uncle Rico]

Why would the Saudis do this? At least their investments in golf have a potential financial benefit down the line. What is supporting a public university's basketball team going to do for them?

I’ve thought about what universities would attach themselves to the bonesaws.  Pretty sure Texas A&M has some Middle East ties.

Grand Canyon is the obvious choice

[BrewCity83]

St. Thomas.

[lawdog77]

Fed Ex has pledged 5 years/$25 million total to Memphis. For football, men's/women's basketball, and women's sports. Times are tough at Fed Ex, as this seems less than what they were giving under the table.

[Shooter McGavin]

Why would the Saudis do this? At least their investments in golf have a potential financial benefit down the line. What is supporting a public university's basketball team going to do for them?

Obviously, it was a joke.  Come on Sultan, it didn’t even warrant a serious reply. 

[MuggsyB]

I don't recall I or anyone else here blaming the athlete.  That's not the freaking point.  I'd be pissed if Kam or if any of our players are/were poached but wouldn't be upset with them.  The current NIL system sucking has nothing to do with how much the NCAA has sucked.   

The tournament alone generates how much in revenue? Can they not distribute far more of this cash to the teams /players?  And add cash opportunities with jersey and likeness stuff?  Paying individual players salaries in the 1-5 million dollar range will not benefit the sport imo.  There needs to be incentives for staying at a particular school or some sort of cap.  The only way this is solvable is if some of the great minds here come up with better solutions. 

[Uncle Rico]

I don't recall I or anyone else here blaming the athlete.  That's not the freaking point.  I'd be pissed if Kam or if any of our players are/were poached but wouldn't be upset with them.  The current NIL system sucking has nothing to do with how much the NCAA has sucked.   

The tournament alone generates how much in revenue? Can they not distribute far more of this cash to the teams /players?  And add cash opportunities with jersey and likeness stuff?  Paying individual players salaries in the 1-5 million dollar range will not benefit the sport imo.  There needs to be incentives for staying at a particular school or some sort of cap.  The only way this is solvable is if some of the great minds here come up with better solutions.

Here?!?  No one here is fixing this problem, lol

[lawdog77]

Here?!?  No one here is fixing this problem, lol

My man Muggsy needs to learn and use the serenity prayer.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I don't recall I or anyone else here blaming the athlete.  That's not the freaking point.  I'd be pissed if Kam or if any of our players are/were poached but wouldn't be upset with them.  The current NIL system sucking has nothing to do with how much the NCAA has sucked.

Of course it does. The whole reason we got here is because the NCAA and its members couldn't see the writing on the wall and deal with this situation on the outset.
 

The tournament alone generates how much in revenue? Can they not distribute far more of this cash to the teams /players?

How? The players are not employees of the schools.

And add cash opportunities with jersey and likeness stuff?   

Already happening.

Paying individual players salaries in the 1-5 million dollar range will not benefit the sport imo.  There needs to be incentives for staying at a particular school or some sort of cap.  The only way this is solvable is if some of the great minds here come up with better solutions.

I'm sure retention of some sort is written into NIL deals. And there legally cannot be a cap.

There have been plenty of suggestion floated.

[Viper]

Why would the Saudis do this? At least their investments in golf have a potential financial benefit down the line. What is supporting a public university's basketball team going to do for them?

…hook, line, sinker

[Hards Alumni]

I don't recall I or anyone else here blaming the athlete.  That's not the freaking point.  I'd be pissed if Kam or if any of our players are/were poached but wouldn't be upset with them.  The current NIL system sucking has nothing to do with how much the NCAA has sucked.   

The tournament alone generates how much in revenue? Can they not distribute far more of this cash to the teams /players?  And add cash opportunities with jersey and likeness stuff?  Paying individual players salaries in the 1-5 million dollar range will not benefit the sport imo.  There needs to be incentives for staying at a particular school or some sort of cap.  The only way this is solvable is if some of the great minds here come up with better solutions.

Huh, are you not a capitalist?

[MU82]

Huh, are you not a capitalist?

Lots of Scoopers have been capitalists when it comes to their preference for how the U.S. economy should function. Unless the subject is college athletes.

IIRC, hoopaloop/chicos/Cheeks even admitted as much.