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MuggsyB

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NIL Future
« on: April 07, 2024, 06:04:30 PM »
I think this deserves a separate thread.  Personally I hate it,  but get that these are the times.  I also think realignment is awful  as well.  Imagine being in the B20, not having charter planes, and going to a mid-week track meet from Cali to College Park?  Anyway, will there be an NIL cap and can MU compete with schools with much larger endowments and alumni bases?  Will it get to a point where Ivies and Stanford for example just pay for the best talent?  All of this concerns me.  I'd prefer not to get rid of my islands and planes.  :)

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Re: NIL Future
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2024, 06:17:06 PM »
I think college football (school presidents) will eventually move to a league outside the NCAA's jurisdiction.
Maybe it's 50 teams, maybe 80.
Which could allow for the unionization of players and minimizing the impact of NIL.

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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2024, 06:23:56 PM »
As oldwarrior says, unless student athletes becomes employees, unionize, and agree to cap compensation due to a collective bargaining agreement, there really is no way to limit compensation. And that doesn't limit external NIL.

Unless Congress grants the NCAA antitrust exemption. Which is a terrible idea.

Can Marquette compete? Hope so. Not worth worrying about.
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Re: NIL Future
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2024, 06:29:42 PM »
NIL is the ruination of college athletics, as we know it. The rich will get richer..., hey?
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Re: NIL Future
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2024, 06:31:56 PM »
NIL is the ruination of college athletics, as we know it. The rich will get richer..., hey?

Probably true.  So let’s enjoy the ride now.

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Re: NIL Future
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2024, 06:32:24 PM »
NIL is the ruination of college athletics, as we know it. The rich will get richer..., hey?

I don't care for it.

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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2024, 06:33:20 PM »
Never felt more confident of the future of college athletics
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2024, 06:34:13 PM »
Never felt more confident of the future of college athletics

Confident of what?

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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2024, 06:34:29 PM »
It won't be the "ruination" of anything and the rich have always gotten richer.

Not sure if in the long run it will benefit Marquette however.
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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2024, 06:36:35 PM »
Confident of what?

Not being ruined, at least by NIL.

Ruined by conferences?  Yes.  Ruined by the people leading it?  Yes.  Not by NIL
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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2024, 06:42:31 PM »
It won't be the "ruination" of anything and the rich have always gotten richer.

Not sure if in the long run it will benefit Marquette however.

So if it won't be good for Marquette is it safe to say it will be much worse for mid-majors?  And if that's the case the tournament becomes way, way, way, worse?

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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2024, 06:44:50 PM »
So if it won't be good for Marquette is it safe to say it will be much worse for mid-majors?  And if that's the case the tournament becomes way, way, way, worse?

Well “the tournament” isn’t “college athletics.” So what is bad for one isn’t necessarily bad for the other.
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2024, 06:45:00 PM »
So, the elites get the best players and the non-elites fight to build teams out of the thousands of basketball players not recruited by the elites.   
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2024, 06:45:41 PM »
It won't be the "ruination" of anything and the rich have always gotten richer.

Not sure if in the long run it will benefit Marquette however.


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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2024, 06:47:43 PM »

Never fails, the Wizard puts everything in prospective, aina?

I'm either a smart man...or I have just looked back at everything that was declared to be the ruination of sports, and realized that not only have those predictions not come to pass, they've been laughably wrong.
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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2024, 06:51:32 PM »
Well “the tournament” isn’t “college athletics.” So what is bad for one isn’t necessarily bad for the other.

Why bother calling it "college athletics"?

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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2024, 06:52:31 PM »
Why bother calling it "college athletics"?

That's the phrase that 4ever used.
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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2024, 06:57:02 PM »
So, the elites get the best players and the non-elites fight to build teams out of the thousands of basketball players not recruited by the elites.   

There's more to it than just that.  This could be an unmitigated disaster Tower. 

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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2024, 06:58:45 PM »
There's more to it than just that.  This could be an unmitigated disaster Tower. 

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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2024, 07:19:10 PM »
Adapt or die.  The NCAA had a plethora of opportunities over the years to change and it ignorantly held firm in the belief of "amateur" athletics - something that really hasn't truly existed in its written form in decades.  It developed into a billion dollar industry with free labor, and ultimately the courts have viewed what is the amateur model of the NCAA as unconstitutional with all of the rulings it has either passed or upheld. 

Marquette can continue to be a high-level program within this current landscape.  It has the market, it has the focus (no football) and it has the support behind the scenes.  I am not worried at all about that.  What will need to happen is to let the market settle over the course of several years for there to be a wider and better understanding of NIL, the portal and have some type of consistency. 

What is a by-product of the current system is that there are many student-athletes that have not signed any written agreement, but promised $$$ through NIL, that never came through or went unfulfilled.  There should be a standard contract for all these student-athletes (and schools/NIL providers can put a final pay date at the end of a season, thus preventing or encouraging mid-season or even postseason transfers).  Protects both sides IMO.  There's still so much to figure out that a majority of current athletic departments and coaches don't fully grasp yet.

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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2024, 07:23:30 PM »
Adapt or die.  The NCAA had a plethora of opportunities over the years to change and it ignorantly held firm in the belief of "amateur" athletics - something that really hasn't truly existed in its written form in decades.  It developed into a billion dollar industry with free labor, and ultimately the courts have viewed what is the amateur model of the NCAA as unconstitutional with all of the rulings it has either passed or upheld. 

Marquette can continue to be a high-level program within this current landscape.  It has the market, it has the focus (no football) and it has the support behind the scenes.  I am not worried at all about that.  What will need to happen is to let the market settle over the course of several years for there to be a wider and better understanding of NIL, the portal and have some type of consistency. 

What is a by-product of the current system is that there are many student-athletes that have not signed any written agreement, but promised $$$ through NIL, that never came through or went unfulfilled.  There should be a standard contract for all these student-athletes (and schools/NIL providers can put a final pay date at the end of a season, thus preventing or encouraging mid-season or even postseason transfers).  Protects both sides IMO.  There's still so much to figure out that a majority of current athletic departments and coaches don't fully grasp yet.
Don't undermine a good post with false claims of "free labor". You threaten your credibility. 

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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2024, 07:45:22 PM »
Don't undermine a good post with false claims of "free labor". You threaten your credibility. 

Under compensated labor.
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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2024, 07:51:41 PM »
Not being ruined, at least by NIL.

Ruined by conferences?  Yes.  Ruined by the people leading it?  Yes.  Not by NIL

You didn’t answer the question what you’re feeling so confident about.  And you provided examples of what you think may ruin it.
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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2024, 07:58:35 PM »
Well, if they're not gettin' $20/hr, they could be flippin' burgers at Mickey D's, aina?
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