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[Shooter McGavin]

I think you are projecting a bit here.  I can't speak for everyone but I posted repeatedly about our 3P% needing a positive regrssion to the mean in order for our offense to get back on track.  There were some who didn't believe we'd get that positive regression to the mean and if they were correct then we would have remained scouted.

And Shooter, every scout is based on things that "are on us". We couldn't shoot so teams adjusted to exploit that.  We can't rebound so teams adjust to exploit that. We're aggressive on D, some teams have been able to adjust to exploit that (most fail). That's what scouting is.

Yes, different teams have different weaknesses.  Our team went through a bad stretch of shooting.   A couple teams exploited that.  But several posters made it sound like the team had been figured out.  Had a long term solution to the Marquette problem.  That genius coaching had broken the code. 

Two threads could have been started during that time. 

1) we are really shooting poorly

Or

2) we've been scouted

1) is much more accurate than 2).   


Regardless, I agree there are game by game scouting reports that help beat a given team on a given night.  I'm not arguing that there is no strategy in basketball on a game by game basis based on strengths and weaknesses of other teams or based on strengths and weaknesses of our team.

I'm only arguing the big picture premise that we had been figured out when the team was only in a shooting slump.

I'll let it die there.

[tower912]

Where is the fun in that?

[Shooter McGavin]

Where is the fun in that?

Ha!

[Disco Hippie]

This team is way too reliant on 3PT shooting.  When they don't fall we're exposed plain and simple.  Even more concerning than our 3PT shooting our is free throw percentage.  We are second to last in conference, only Providence is worse at the line. 

https://www.bigeast.com/stats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2023

When our 3's don't fall at high percentage, we need free throws to make up the difference.

[The Sultan]

This team is way too reliant on 3PT shooting.  When they don't fall we're exposed plain and simple.  Even more concerning than our 3PT shooting our is free throw percentage.  We are second to last in conference, only Providence is worse at the line. 

https://www.bigeast.com/stats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2023

When our 3's don't fall at high percentage, we need free throws to make up the difference.

JB in 3...2...1...

[MU82]

This team is way too reliant on 3PT shooting.  When they don't fall we're exposed plain and simple.

Shaka's opinion is different than yours, and his is the one that counts. There is 0.00% chance the team is going to change offensive strategy at this point in the season - and probably not as long as he's coach.

It's like having our 5 hedge on defense. It's simply what we do. So either get used to it or enjoy complaining about it.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Yes, different teams have different weaknesses.  Our team went through a bad stretch of shooting.   A couple teams exploited that.  But several posters made it sound like the team had been figured out.  Had a long term solution to the Marquette problem.  That genius coaching had broken the code. 

Two threads could have been started during that time. 

1) we are really shooting poorly

Or

2) we've been scouted

1) is much more accurate than 2).   


Regardless, I agree there are game by game scouting reports that help beat a given team on a given night.  I'm not arguing that there is no strategy in basketball on a game by game basis based on strengths and weaknesses of other teams or based on strengths and weaknesses of our team.

I'm only arguing the big picture premise that we had been figured out when the team was only in a shooting slump.

I'll let it die there.

Have you noticed Marquette coaches have put in offensive adjustments too? It's better shooting because players are catching in rhythm and space. Raf pointed those out a few games ago. Shaka has talked about him working with Jop. MU's action around the free throw line vortex is much improved, with and without the ball.

[tower912]

This team is way too reliant on 3PT shooting.  When they don't fall we're exposed plain and simple.  Even more concerning than our 3PT shooting our is free throw percentage.  We are second to last in conference, only Providence is worse at the line. 

https://www.bigeast.com/stats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2023

When our 3's don't fall at high percentage, we need free throws to make up the difference.

In one of his media availabilities, Shaka referenced that 3 pt shooting percentage is one of the most volatile statistics as well as one of the most important.   He accepts that.   So, while I will agree that many teams look bad when they are clanging 3s, I would ask you how many you have seen that can also score 60 in the paint on a given night against a conference opponent.
   MU's offensive concepts are sound.   Off nights happen.

[Uncle Rico]

This team is way too reliant on 3PT shooting.  When they don't fall we're exposed plain and simple.  Even more concerning than our 3PT shooting our is free throw percentage.  We are second to last in conference, only Providence is worse at the line. 

https://www.bigeast.com/stats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2023

When our 3's don't fall at high percentage, we need free throws to make up the difference.

This is why we need Al to play 5-10 minutes a game and dunk on fools

[MUfan12]

Without the TK-Oso PNR buckets for the foreseeable future, MU is gonna have to shoot the piss out of the ball to hang with good teams.

[brewcity77]

This team is way too reliant on 3PT shooting.  When they don't fall we're exposed plain and simple.  Even more concerning than our 3PT shooting our is free throw percentage.  We are second to last in conference, only Providence is worse at the line. 

https://www.bigeast.com/stats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2023

When our 3's don't fall at high percentage, we need free throws to make up the difference.

We beat Illinois, Kansas, Creighton, and St. John's away shooting 30% or worse from three. We shot a collective 64.9% from the free throw line in those games, well below our season average of 72%. I'm going to go ahead and call BS on your entire post.

[DoctorV]

I think you are projecting a bit here.  I can't speak for everyone but I posted repeatedly about our 3P% needing a positive regrssion to the mean in order for our offense to get back on track.  There were some who didn't believe we'd get that positive regression to the mean and if they were correct then we would have remained scouted.

And Shooter, every scout is based on things that "are on us". We couldn't shoot so teams adjusted to exploit that.  We can't rebound so teams adjust to exploit that. We're aggressive on D, some teams have been able to adjust to exploit that (most fail). That's what scouting is.

So then the new question becomes....

Now that many of the guys are punching way above their typical weight in the last 10 games- with 3P shooting averages decently better than their career averages- is there a new regression to the mean with more misses coming? Or will the fiery hot shooting continue?

All Marquettes do, after all, reach equilibrium.

[brewcity77]

So then the new question becomes....

Now that many of the guys are punching way above their typical weight in the last 10 games- with 3P shooting averages decently better than their career averages- is there a new regression to the mean with more misses coming? Or will the fiery hot shooting continue?

All Marquettes do, after all, reach equilibrium.

I think we level out around 35-38%. And if we can hit in that range for 6 games after St. Patty's, we can cut nets in Glendale.

[MU82]

This is why we need Al to play 5-10 minutes a game and dunk on fools

You gotta know that Shaka now realizes the error in his ways and will give Amadou all of Kolek's minutes.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Yes, different teams have different weaknesses.  Our team went through a bad stretch of shooting.   A couple teams exploited that.  But several posters made it sound like the team had been figured out.  Had a long term solution to the Marquette problem.  That genius coaching had broken the code. 

Two threads could have been started during that time. 

1) we are really shooting poorly

Or

2) we've been scouted

1) is much more accurate than 2).   


Regardless, I agree there are game by game scouting reports that help beat a given team on a given night.  I'm not arguing that there is no strategy in basketball on a game by game basis based on strengths and weaknesses of other teams or based on strengths and weaknesses of our team.

I'm only arguing the big picture premise that we had been figured out when the team was only in a shooting slump.

I'll let it die there.

So what you're saying is.... the team had been scouted. You just don't like the term scouted. To you,  it means a finality. Thats it, Marquette will never recover from being scouted. I don't think anyone serious uses that definition. It just means a weakness that can be exploited had been identified and the team needed to adjust to overcome it.  And they did!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So then the new question becomes....

Now that many of the guys are punching way above their typical weight in the last 10 games- with 3P shooting averages decently better than their career averages- is there a new regression to the mean with more misses coming? Or will the fiery hot shooting continue?

All Marquettes do, after all, reach equilibrium.

It's hard to imagine that we will remain this hot through the eclipse but dammit I hope we do!

[DoctorV]

I think we level out around 35-38%. And if we can hit in that range for 6 games after St. Patty's, we can cut nets in Glendale.

Yea leveling out seems likely.

I think it'll be more important to not shoot under 25% in any single game starting 3/22 (assuming Indy) than it'll be to shoot at an elite clip like they have been.

One of those 20% outings could mean season over.

I think if Marquette shoots in the low 30s from 3 it'll still be good enough to advance to the sweet 16 and maybe even beyond.
Then sprinkle in a game or two at that 37%+ clip at just the right time and then we are really cooking.

Gotta keep the defensive tenacity and intensity alive, because they will save Marquette from doom when it inevitably has its brutal shooting elimination game.
That's way more important if TyKo misses a game or few.

[Shooter McGavin]

Agree Dr. V.! 

[wadesworld]

Marquette hasn't done anything to "adjust" other than make the shots they were missing during their slide. They were always there. They were just missing them.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Marquette hasn't done anything to "adjust" other than make the shots they were missing during their slide. They were always there. They were just missing them.

While it's true this offense creates a lot of open shots that were there, MU has certainly "adjusted".

[Shooter McGavin]

No half shots. Let it fly!

[BM1090]

While it's true this offense creates a lot of open shots that were there, MU has certainly "adjusted".

Yeah there's definitely been adjustments. And player improvement in both decision making and abilities.