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MUfan12

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2024, 09:29:49 AM
.793
Ben's 2FG%

29
The number of 2FGA. Less than one per game.

That's the next step. Cut with authority and finish through contact. The opportunities are there, he just prefers drifting to the arc.

MU82

Quote from: MUfan12 on March 11, 2024, 09:37:01 AM
That's the next step. Cut with authority and finish through contact. The opportunities are there, he just prefers drifting to the arc.

He does seem to prefer what you say, but I do also believe Gold is doing what Shaka wants him to do.

If Shaka insisted that Ben pass up 3s and drive more, he'd do it. But Gold's 3-point shooting gives us a dimension that this particular team needs. Next season, Ben will be asked to do more, and hopefully he'll deliver.
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Goose

If Ben Gold was incoming portal addition, there would be a lot of excitement on scoop, imo. Said the same thing two years ago when Shaka retained Oso, TK and Omax. Sometimes it is hard to appreciate the players you have because you watch them often and closely. I am pretty certain there would be a lot of fanbases excited if they got Gold via the portal.

Dr. Blackheart

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Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2024, 09:39:23 AM
He does seem to prefer what you say, but I do also believe Gold is doing what Shaka wants him to do.

If Shaka insisted that Ben pass up 3s and drive more, he'd do it. But Gold's 3-point shooting gives us a dimension that this particular team needs. Next season, Ben will be asked to do more, and hopefully he'll deliver.

Here's another crazy Scoop take by me. Make him a Karaban and grab a graduate transfer center, say a Dixon. Let's face it, Ben is three in a five body.

MU needs to be able to play physical teams (and rebound). I'd go here in the portal, not PG.

cheebs09

He's shown some nice drives to the basket.

MU82

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2024, 10:00:15 AM
Here's another crazy Scoop take by me. Make him a Karaban and grab a graduate transfer center, say a Dixon. Let's face it, Ben is three in a five body.

MU needs to be able to play physical teams (and rebound). I'd go here in the portal, not PG.

If that's really something Shaka would consider doing, and if we really could get a rim protector and low-post scorer who would be better than Gold, I'd endorse your plan as not crazy at all ... although I'd be concerned about Ben having to play too much perimeter D again.
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Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2024, 10:09:39 AM
If that's really something Shaka would consider doing, and if we really could get a rim protector and low-post scorer who would be better than Gold, I'd endorse your plan as not crazy at all ... although I'd be concerned about Ben having to play too much perimeter D again.

I'd have Dixon guard the perimeter and Ben the post in that theoretical.

Shooter McGavin

Quote from: Goose on March 11, 2024, 09:56:07 AM
If Ben Gold was incoming portal addition, there would be a lot of excitement on scoop, imo. Said the same thing  hetwo years ago when Shaka retained Oso, TK and Omax. Sometimes it is hard to appreciate the players you have because you watch them often and closely. I am pretty certain there would be a lot of fanbases excited if they got Gold via the portal.

Agree with this 100%.  Ben is a good one.  It will be Kam and his team next year.  With the glue guy's leadership thrown in there as well.   

MU82

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2024, 10:12:09 AM
I'd have Dixon guard the perimeter and Ben the post in that theoretical.

We'd have 2 bigs firing 3s all the time! And I'm not sure Dixon would be any better defending on the perimeter than Gold has been. Dixon's also only an OK rebounder.

I know he was the name you used in your hypothetical ... but if Shaka wanted to make Gold a taller Karaban, I'd prefer a true rim-protector/rebounder to Dixon. How about bringing over Clingan to go with Karaban!  8-)
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Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2024, 10:00:15 AM
Here's another crazy Scoop take by me. Make him a Karaban and grab a graduate transfer center, say a Dixon. Let's face it, Ben is three in a five body.

MU needs to be able to play physical teams (and rebound). I'd go here in the portal, not PG.

And in your scenario, which one of Gold or Joplin transfers?  Because I wouldn't expect both to stay if Shaka added a starting caliber 4/5.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 11, 2024, 10:18:31 AM
And in your scenario, which one of Gold or Joplin transfers?  Because I wouldn't expect both to stay if Shaka added a starting caliber 4/5.

Joplin would still be the 4 and Ben the 3.  Stevie and Kam as the guards (or Chase if Kam goes pro).  Dixon the 5 in a similar role as he plays at Nova (5 out offense).

WolfganghisKhan

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 11, 2024, 10:18:31 AM
And in your scenario, which one of Gold or Joplin transfers?  Because I wouldn't expect both to stay if Shaka added a starting caliber 4/5.
If they transfer cause of some competition cya.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on March 11, 2024, 10:38:22 AM
If they transfer cause of some competition cya.

They're not transferring.  They'll be starters next year
Guster is for Lovers

WolfganghisKhan

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 11, 2024, 11:12:46 AM
They're not transferring.  They'll be starters next year
Id hope gold is starting. He has zero competition

Uncle Rico

Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on March 11, 2024, 12:13:36 PM
Id hope gold is starting. He has zero competition

Yeah, that's not correct.  Based on how Shaka has built his roster, Al and Caedin will see increased roles next year.
Guster is for Lovers

WolfganghisKhan

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 11, 2024, 12:17:09 PM
Yeah, that's not correct.  Based on how Shaka has built his roster, Al and Caedin will see increased roles next year.
two project guys who've played zero meaningful college minutes aren't legit competition

Uncle Rico

Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on March 11, 2024, 12:21:57 PM
two project guys who've played zero meaningful college minutes aren't legit competition

I can trust a poster on Scoop or the coaching staff
Guster is for Lovers

MU82

Guys like Oso, OMax, Shead, Brust and Kaminsky proved definitively that if you get just about no meaningful college minutes as a freshman, you will NEVER be any good.
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Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2024, 10:30:50 AM
Joplin would still be the 4 and Ben the 3.  Stevie and Kam as the guards (or Chase if Kam goes pro).  Dixon the 5 in a similar role as he plays at Nova (5 out offense).

Ben is much closer to a 5 than a 3.  A stretch big, if you will.

Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on March 11, 2024, 10:38:22 AM
If they transfer cause of some competition cya.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I think Shaka values loyalty and development of his guys more than you do.

Newsdreams

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 11, 2024, 12:25:49 PM
I can trust a poster on Scoop or the coaching staff
Posters on Scoop rule
Goal is National Championship
CBP profile my people who landed here over 100 yrs before Mayflower. Most I've had to deal with are ignorant & low IQ.
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PointWarrior

I assume you added  Brust as a joke?

Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2024, 12:36:26 PM
Guys like Oso, OMax, Shead, Brust and Kaminsky proved definitively that if you get just about no meaningful college minutes as a freshman, you will NEVER be any good.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: PointWarrior on March 12, 2024, 12:55:06 AM
I assume you added  Brust as a joke?

Ben Brust offensive rating as a sophomore was 107.2, as a senior it was 122.2 while playing 86% of available minutes.  Basically, he was one of the most efficient players in the nation as a senior while playing a load of minutes.

Not bad for a 3*
Guster is for Lovers

cheebs09

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 12, 2024, 06:38:32 AM
Ben Brust offensive rating as a sophomore was 107.2, as a senior it was 122.2 while playing 86% of available minutes.  Basically, he was one of the most efficient players in the nation as a senior while playing a load of minutes.

Not bad for a 3*

Never forget Bo fought to get him out of his LOI from Iowa, and then pulled the Uthoff nonsense a few years later.

WolfganghisKhan

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 11, 2024, 12:57:59 PM
Ben is much closer to a 5 than a 3.  A stretch big, if you will.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I think Shaka values loyalty and development of his guys more than you do.

Fair. Only time will tell how well it works. I hope he's right.

MU82

Quote from: PointWarrior on March 12, 2024, 12:55:06 AM
I assume you added  Brust as a joke?

You can laugh if you want, but he became a good college player and a valuable part of two Final Four teams.
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