Bluejays SOTG

[Elonsmusk]

I don't bet on dopey things.

"The 18 offensive rebounds, including nine from Oso, was absolutely the difference in the game." - Shaka Smart

Shaka also lumped Sean's 3s in with Stevie's 3s as being important contributions.

Good judgement because Shaka did give Sean Domino of the game (His MVP), and he also gave him the EGB award too. 

But no doubt Scoop MVP should carry more weight than Shaka's.

1. The criteria for Shaka's Domino of the Game might be different than Scoop's Stud of the Game.

2. This debate has reached epic levels of silliness.

[MU82]

"The 18 offensive rebounds, including nine from Oso, was absolutely the difference in the game." - Shaka Smart

[Dr. Blackheart]

And yet Shaka sent Sean out for the presser as Tyler was busy with Goody on The Field of 68. 

#kpom

[MU82]

Maybe Shaka wanted to give somebody other than Kolek and Oso a chance to talk to the media.

Look, as I said numerous times, Sean would be a fine choice. He wouldn't be my choice, but he would be A-OK by me.

I can't believe folks (including me) are spending so much time debating something that means so little.

Wait ... what am I saying? I'm not new here, so I certainly can believe it. We're still having debates about Crean, Dawson, the Ellensons, the Hausers and Wojo, for crissakes.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Maybe Shaka wanted to give somebody other than Kolek and Oso a chance to talk to the media.

Look, as I said numerous times, Sean would be a fine choice. He wouldn't be my choice, but he would be A-OK by me.

I can't believe folks (including me) are spending so much time debating something that means so little.

Wait ... what am I saying? I'm not new here, so I certainly can believe it. We're still having debates about Crean, Dawson, the Ellensons, the Hausers and Wojo, for crissakes.

And Porter Moser!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Good judgement because Shaka did give Sean Domino of the game (His MVP), and he also gave him the EGB award too. 

But no doubt Scoop MVP should carry more weight than Shaka's.

The domino of the game is not an MVP award. It's an award given to the player who made his teammates better that game. You know, one domino falling leads to another domino falling. It's more akin to a "spark of the game" award.

And I'll say this for the third or fourth time this thread. It is okay if some internet dweebs have differing opinions about this fake award.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Sean had the best 8 minutes (he played 5 minutes in the first, 8 in the second) of anyone on the floor yesterday. It was such a good eight minutes, that I think he was a third most impactful player. But there's only so much impact you can have when you play in less than a third of the game. On a per minute basis, Sean was the best player. That's not how I judge SOTG (which again, is a meaningless award argued about by internet dweebs and chose by a moderator who probably won't remember to decide until 5 minutes before the next game). Internet dweebs are allowed to have different criteria.

And I'll say this for the third or fourth time this thread. It is okay if some internet dweebs have differing opinions about this fake award.

BANHAMMER!

[tower912]

Sad.

[MU82]

Good judgement because Shaka did give Sean Domino of the game (His MVP), and he also gave him the EGB award too. 

Have you coached? Coaches prop up role players whenever they have the opportunity, figuring that the stars always get plenty of accolades.

And as TAMU said, Domino of the game is not MVP.

[rocky_warrior]

a moderator who probably won't remember to decide until 5 minutes before the next game

Hey now!  I've legit forgot a few times  

This one, I decided immediately after the game.  I just like to let you guys argue about it for a few days!

I agree with those that say Sean.  My eyes told me we won the game because of  him.  I don't normally pay too much attention to torvik's BPM or NET but for this particular game it's clear we were outplayed when he was off the court, and won when he was on the court (BPM +34.7!!, NET +7).  I don't disagree with anyone that says other players were important to this win with defense or otherwise, but my eyes told me we won with Sean, and probably lose without him.

Meaningless Stud

[tower912]

I want my money back.

[rocky_warrior]

I want my money back.

I only give refunds if you go back and edit all your posts to "NM"

Also, just realized I messed up and never put stats up for Jop's SOTG.  I owe him a refund.

[1SE]

Hey now!  I've legit forgot a few times  

This one, I decided immediately after the game.  I just like to let you guys argue about it for a few days!

I agree with those that say Sean.  My eyes told me we won the game because of  him.  I don't normally pay too much attention to torvik's BPM or NET but for this particular game it's clear we were outplayed when he was off the court, and won when he was on the court (BPM +34.7!!, NET +7).  I don't disagree with anyone that says other players were important to this win with defense or otherwise, but my eyes told me we won with Sean, and probably lose without him.

Meaningless Stud

Just rewatching the 2nd half - his energy when he comes in at 13:00 is incredible - shortly after we take our first lead of the game.  Both spark and stud.

[Elonsmusk]

The domino of the game is not an MVP award. It's an award given to the player who made his teammates better that game. You know, one domino falling leads to another domino falling. It's more akin to a "spark of the game" award.

And I'll say this for the third or fourth time this thread. It is okay if some internet dweebs have differing opinions about this fake award.

Who ever said it wasn't okay for internet dweebs to have differing opinions about SOTG?  You're welcome to have a differing opinion and think Oso was SOTG for the Creighton game.  Scoop is an opinion exchange. 

Are you sure the Domino of the game from Shaka is the "Spark of the game award?"  If so its weird that he's awarded it to:

Sean against Creighton
Joplin against Georgetwon (leading scorer and KenPom MVP)
Oso against St. Thomas (leading scorer and KenPom MVP)
Oso against Notre Dame (leading scorer)
Kolek against Texas (leading scorer and Ken Pom MVP)
Kolek against Southern (leading scorer and Ken Pom MVP)

[Elonsmusk]

Have you coached? Coaches prop up role players whenever they have the opportunity, figuring that the stars always get plenty of accolades.

And as TAMU said, Domino of the game is not MVP.

Yes, I've coached.  And see the above post.  Pretty odd that Shaka's Dominos of the Game are usually the leading scorer AND/or Ken Pom MVP. 

TAMU trying to assert Domino of the game is "Spark of the Game" is as absurd as his belief Wojo was the goods as a coach, because Jay Wright didn't win immediately.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Hey now!  I've legit forgot a few times  

Gave up the bong for New Year's?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Gave up the bong for New Year's?

Clearly not as Sean is listed as the 'Stud of the G-town game' on my screen.

[rocky_warrior]

Clearly not as Sean is listed as the 'Stud of the G-town game' on my screen.

Ah hell. 

[Dr. Blackheart]

Clearly not as Sean is listed as the 'Stud of the G-town game' on my screen.

Jop deserves a double refund plus punitive damages.

[StillAWarrior]

Not picking a side in this fight because I really don't know Shaka's intent with these awards, but I do note that in addition to the "Domino of the Game" award, he has a "EGB Champion" award. If the Domino is the "spark of the game" award, what do you think the EGB Champ is for?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Who ever said it wasn't okay for internet dweebs to have differing opinions about SOTG?  You're welcome to have a differing opinion and think Oso was SOTG for the Creighton game.  Scoop is an opinion exchange. 

Notice how everyone else in this thread (and every other SOTG thread) just posted their picks and left it at that? You on the other hand started quoting people who didnt agree with you, telling them why they were wrong,  and stating your opinion as fact.

Are you sure the Domino of the game from Shaka is the "Spark of the game award?"  If so its weird that he's awarded it to:

Sean against Creighton
Joplin against Georgetwon (leading scorer and KenPom MVP)
Oso against St. Thomas (leading scorer and KenPom MVP)
Oso against Notre Dame (leading scorer)
Kolek against Texas (leading scorer and Ken Pom MVP)
Kolek against Southern (leading scorer and Ken Pom MVP)

Shaka has explained what a domino is many times,  its a key tenet of his culture.  If you want to read up https://apnews.com/article/sports-march-madness-mens-college-basketball-college-basketball-shaka-smart-31d563760753b839f510b47ddd6abcf5

TAMU trying to assert Domino of the game is "Spark of the Game" is as absurd as his belief Wojo was the goods as a coach, because Jay Wright didn't win immediately.

You won't find one post where i call Wojo the goods or anything similar or make any sort of argument that because Jay Wright didn't win immediately that meant that Wojo was good.

I welcome you to find a source where Shaka refers to domino of the game award as his mvp award. If you do, I'll gladly admit I was wrong. I can find you dozens of sources about  what Shakas definition of a domino is. Presumably he doesn't change the definition for the domino of the game award

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Not picking a side in this fight because I really don't know Shaka's intent with these awards, but I do note that in addition to the "Domino of the Game" award, he has a "EGB Champion" award. If the Domino is the "spark of the game" award, what do you think the EGB Champ is for?

Domino is for play in game. EGB is for out of game behavior (ie cheering a teammate, slapping the floor, celebrating when appropriate)

[MU82]

Notice how everyone else in this thread (and every other SOTG thread) just posted their picks and left it at that? You on the other hand started quoting people who didnt agree with you, telling them why they were wrong,  and stating your opinion as fact.

Shaka has explained what a domino is many times,  its a key tenet of his culture.  If you want to read up https://apnews.com/article/sports-march-madness-mens-college-basketball-college-basketball-shaka-smart-31d563760753b839f510b47ddd6abcf5

You won't find one post where i call Wojo the goods or anything similar or make any sort of argument that because Jay Wright didn't win immediately that meant that Wojo was good.

I welcome you to find a source where Shaka refers to domino of the game award as his mvp award. If you do, I'll gladly admit I was wrong. I can find you dozens of sources about  what Shakas definition of a domino is. Presumably he doesn't change the definition for the domino of the game award

Ners always needs to "win," so he will die on every hill he climbs. And if the facts go against him, he always tries to end the debate with "Oh yeah ... you thought Wojo was the best coach ever," even if Wojo had nothing to do with the discussion.

Which I guess is fair in its own Scoopy way, since many of us so enjoy poking fun at him for claiming that Magic Dawson was better than Rowsey and for believing that dunking in high school gives a person a big basketball brain.

[StillAWarrior]

Domino is for play in game. EGB is for out of game behavior (ie cheering a teammate, slapping the floor, celebrating when appropriate)

Thanks.

[Elonsmusk]

Notice how everyone else in this thread (and every other SOTG thread) just posted their picks and left it at that? You on the other hand started quoting people who didnt agree with you, telling them why they were wrong,  and stating your opinion as fact.

Shaka has explained what a domino is many times,  its a key tenet of his culture.  If you want to read up https://apnews.com/article/sports-march-madness-mens-college-basketball-college-basketball-shaka-smart-31d563760753b839f510b47ddd6abcf5

You won't find one post where i call Wojo the goods or anything similar or make any sort of argument that because Jay Wright didn't win immediately that meant that Wojo was good.

I welcome you to find a source where Shaka refers to domino of the game award as his mvp award. If you do, I'll gladly admit I was wrong. I can find you dozens of sources about  what Shakas definition of a domino is. Presumably he doesn't change the definition for the domino of the game award

New Scoop Rules per TAMU:

No quoting of other's posts shall be allowed in the SOTG threads (which btw I quoted Wades and agreed with his selection of Sean as SOTG)

EGB's are only "out of game behavior."  WTAF?  Does TAMU really believe Energy Generating Behaviors are restricted to those on the bench and that no player in the game can actually be perform Energy Generating Behavior?  Like Shaka says - Hey guys on the floor - I don't want you to dive for loose balls, or "celebrate appropriately," or slap the floor - I need you to be robots and flat throughout the game."

Domino of the game is:  "Spark of the game" despite Shaka awarding it to the high scorer and/or Ken Pom MVP every game.