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[21Jumpstreet]

Jop by dribbling with head down has no idea where the defenders are which is why they can poke the ball feee from him, or he dribbles into so much traffic he loses the ball himself.   If he can figure this out, he is powerful enough to take on a defend through contact.   But he has to know where they are.   The coaches should be working in that with him.  If he can be both an outside threat and driver, wow ... will be hard to stop.

He's also become incredibly easy to defend, they know exactly what he is going to do, exactly when he turns his back, where he stops, and that he will be stuck. This makes it increasingly more difficult for him to successfully put the ball on the floor leading to even more bad turnovers and decisions. He should only take open threes, which I know makes him easy to guard, but he can't turn the ball over and make poor decisions.

Last night I think Shaka kept him in because he wanted Jop to gain some confidence. Jop is STRUGGLING, and you could see all the guys (less so TyKo, but his MO is to get after a guy) trying to pump him up, multiple times Oso gave him the come on chest slap, Shaka had his arm around him a couple times coming out of time outs. Jop is not my kind of player, but he is essential to our sustained success this year. Unless he transfers, he isn't leaving next year, so it's either bury him on the bench and lose him for good, or dig deep and try to get him mentally back in it and to believe he can be a big contributor to the season.

[tower912]

With Stevie out, who could Shaka have substituted in for Joplin?  Also, after the Wisconsin game, Shaka indicated that Joplin was going to have to play through it.  All of this is to say that Joplin will need to continue to learn and grow.   And that the team needs him to do so.

[Scoop Snoop]

If the roles were reversed, you would be screaming for that call.  Oso go his arm up making himself available for the in bounds pass.   Clearly no malicious intent, but also clearly hit the defender in the head/neck.  The rule is pretty straightforward and so was the caĺl.

All that you said is true, but El G repeated his statement, so there's that. 

[DoctorV]

If the roles were reversed, you would be screaming for that call.  Oso go his arm up making himself available for the in bounds pass.   Clearly no malicious intent, but also clearly hit the defender in the head/neck.  The rule is pretty straightforward and so was the caĺl.

Yup, it was the right call.

The block call along the team bench on that inbounds that sent Ty to the line I thought was the wrong call, and it looked like Shaka might have worried the same.
Thought that shoulda been called against Kolek for being out of control, got away with one in a key moment IMO

[pbiflyer]

And if they would not have called the flagrant on them earlier, I would have been okay with that as well.

BTW, it looked like Oso hit him well below where the guy was grabbing his throat. (But still no issue with the call).

[MU82]

And if they would not have called the flagrant on them earlier, I would have been okay with that as well.

Yep. I knew it was gonna be a flagrant because they called the borderline flagrant earlier that benefited us.

[Scoop Snoop]

Yup, it was the right call.

The block call along the team bench on that inbounds that sent Ty to the line I thought was the wrong call, and it looked like Shaka might have worried the same.
Thought that shoulda been called against Kolek for being out of control, got away with one in a key moment IMO

My thoughts also Doc. Whew! We got away with that one.

[JakeBarnes]

Yep. I knew it was gonna be a flagrant because they called the borderline flagrant earlier that benefited us.

If there was a flagrant in the game last night, it was the one on whoever dragged Ross to the ground a play or so before. Looked like an NFL drop tackle.

Not the best game, but it could have been much worse. ST guys felt like they all got coached by Rowsey before the game--played free and shot quickly. Nevada Smith probably secretly loved how they played. Feels this team plays well against top tier teams, but struggles a bit when they think they can get by with just pure athleticism. Ceiling is still the team that blew out Kansas. I imagine Shaka and co will remind them that they can't take anything for granted after this performance.

On Jop: Would love to see Jop and a few others with a slightly quicker trigger like some of the ST players had. The play he got fouled on while driving is what he needs to do, if he drives at all. None of the back down stuff. Just go downhill and get contact and/or layup. He's a little in his head right now and trying to do too much.

Stevie was missed. He'd have drastically changed the game with on-ball defense and just injecting energy. Get healthy soon, Stewie.

[El Guerrero 2]

If the roles were reversed, you would be screaming for that call.  Oso go his arm up making himself available for the in bounds pass.   Clearly no malicious intent, but also clearly hit the defender in the head/neck.  The rule is pretty straightforward and so was the caĺl.

You're misrepresenting what the rule is. There simply is no automatic rule that contact to head/the neck is a flagrant 1.

Look at the NCAA's description: "A flagrant 1 foul is two shots and the ball and that means excessive in nature or unnecessary or avoidable, uncalled for or not required by the circumstances of the play." https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2022-03-19/mens-college-basketball-rule-changes-know-about-season.

Was Oso putting his arm out to catch an inbounds pass excessive in nature? Unnecessary? Avoidable? Uncalled for? Not required by the circumstances of the play?

If they wanted to give him a common foul for it, fine. But in no way shape or form was it a flagrant 1, regardless of where his arm happened to hit the player he couldn't see behind him. The actual NCAA rule is below.

***

1. Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul is a personal
foul that is deemed excessive in nature (unwarranted or too much)
and/or unnecessary (avoidable, uncalled for or not required by the
circumstances of the play), but is not based solely on the severity of the
act. Examples include, but are not limited to:
a) Causing excessive or unnecessary contact with an opponent;
b) Contact with an opponent that is not a legitimate attempt to play the
ball or player;
c) Pushing or holding a player from behind to prevent a score.
Depending on the severity of the contact and the potential for injury,
this type of foul could rise to the level of a flagrant 2 foul;
d) Fouling a player clearly away from the ball who is not directly
involved with the play, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock
from starting;
e) Contact with a player making a throw-in;
f) Illegal contact caused by swinging of an elbow that is deemed
excessive or unnecessary but does not rise to the level of a flagrant 2
personal foul (See Rule 4-18.7);
g) Illegal contact caused by a player hooking an opponent over or under
the arm and which may lead the official to believe the contact was
caused by the opponent. Depending on the nature of the contact, or
the result of the contact, this foul could be considered a flagrant 2
foul; and
h) Contact with an opponent that is not the result of a normal
basketball play. "Normal basketball play" is defined as any activity by
a player, including incidental contact, which is generally accepted as
that which occurs in a basketball game when the player is attempting
to make a legal offensive or defensive play

[El Guerrero 2]

All that you said is true, but El G repeated his statement, so there's that. 

See above. Didn't think I had to actually pull out the rule book.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

We pushed it to 70-58 with 12 minutes left. 5 of their final 6 makes were from three. The reason it was close in the final minutes was absolutely those shots, most of which were deep and/or well contested.

Which only mattered because the Tommies were within 5 with 8.5 minutes left due to their dominance of 2P% At that point,  St. Thomas was 14/18 (77.8%) from 2 and 8/25 (32%) from 3.

Yes,  the crazy barrage of threes at the end helped them nearly get the win.  But for over 75% of the game, they played us near even due to their ability to get easy shots over and over again. Im sure thatll be a focus for shaka at the next film session

[Scoop Snoop]

See above. Didn't think I had to actually pull out the rule book.

Thanks! Since I think Oso knew the guy was right behind him and reached backwards, my guess is that the refs applied h when they decided to call an F1. Regardless, your opinion is worthless in the narrow sense that the decision was made and will never be reversed. You were not a ref in last night's game.

Your obsession with this is really very character revealing, and not in a good way. I could understand a Tommie fan complaining that Kolek should have been called for charging, as that call in MU's favor call may well have eventually changed the final outcome.

[wadesworld]

Charges are trash. Players sliding out of nowhere just to flop to the ground should be a block 100% of the time. Especially when the ball handler is running out towards the other team's basket.

[NotAnAlum]

MU struggles when teams are able to take away the P&R which their sagging D did.  I'm not a big fan of relying on 3s but if they stop the P&R and the team is schooled not to take midrange shots the 3 is all that's left.  Thought TKO needed to shoot more 3s.  Before he started shooting free throws he only had 6 points.
All of this said if you score 82 you ought to comfortably beat one of the slowest teams in D1.  When a team has lesser players we might be better off simply staying if front of them than all these scrambling rotation that always end up with someone with an open 3.

[El Guerrero 2]

Thanks! Since I think Oso knew the guy was right behind him and reached backwards, my guess is that the refs applied h when they decided to call an F1. Regardless, your opinion is worthless in the narrow sense that the decision was made and will never be reversed. You were not a ref in last night's game.

Your obsession with this is really very character revealing, and not in a good way. I could understand a Tommie fan complaining that Kolek should have been called for charging, as that call in MU's favor call may well have eventually changed the final outcome.

"You don't understand the rules of basketball. Quit complaining."

***proven wrong***

"Your opinion is worthless because you're not an official. Why do you care if officials get calls right? [irrelevant point about a correctly called block against STU] Oh, and you're a bad person."

Very persuasive.

[Scoop Snoop]

"You don't understand the rules of basketball. Quit complaining."

***proven wrong***

"Your opinion is worthless because you're not an official. Why do you care if officials get calls right? [irrelevant point about a correctly called block against STU] Oh, and you're a bad person."

Very persuasive.

Have a nice day. And take your meds.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It wasn't flukey shots, they're just a well coached team that takes what the defense gives. And last night we were giving up the 3 on the extra pass. This

They didn't take a 2 point FG unless it was a layup. And they only shot 21 twos at all; they certainly weren't getting to the rim "at will." This game was about the 34 threes they shot, not the 21 twos.

If you compare their season long shot chart to ours, it is remarkably similar: https://cbbanalytics.com/tools/shot-charts

They shot 76.1% from 2. Their second best 2P% performance was 70% against a D3 team. Their third best was 60% against sub 300 UWM.

It's okay to point out that we didn't defend the two well. They switched until they got Sean Jones on a big and posted him up.  They drove right at Gold anytime he was on the floor.  They were smart and executed well.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

We're arguing that flagrant? I've never seen that not get called

[jfp61]

They shot 76.1% from 2. Their second best 2P% performance was 70% against a D3 team. Their third best was 60% against sub 300 UWM.

It's okay to point out that we didn't defend the two well. They switched until they got Sean Jones on a big and posted him up.  They drove right at Gold anytime he was on the floor.  They were smart and executed well.

We didn't defend as poorly as the numbers say, but we didn't defend well.

First, Stevie Mitchell is our best defender and wasn't playing. Playing him stops opponents from scoring nearly 3 points per 100 possessions to our defense. And adding him gets NCAA average defenders like Joplin and Sean off of the court.

Second, we ran them off the line decently well, St. Thomas was just disiplined and didn't take the bait. They hardly ever forced up 2s. And when they had too they were able to draw contact well enough. Either that or they just took deeper 3 pointers.

[El Guerrero 2]

Have a nice day. And take your meds.

I don't think ad hominems are the mic drop you appear to think they are.

[MU82]

St. Thomas is really well-coached. On a few occasions, I found myself admiring the way they were playing. They totally maximized what they could do against a more talented team, and it just about resulted in a big upset.

[El Guerrero 2]

St. Thomas is really well-coached. On a few occasions, I found myself admiring the way they were playing. They totally maximized what they could do against a more talented team, and it just about resulted in a big upset.

Agreed. Their guys knew what they were doing out there and weren't intimidated by the NBA arena like Notre Dame was. Consistently passed up good shots to get great shots.

It's dumb they don't have a chance to make the tourney.

[Tyler COLEk]

MU is still 1 player away from being a solid title pick. That player could be Joplin or Gold, but unless either or both get their chit together, I don't see it, hey?

Taking a quick pause to point out what a cringe-worthy shtick it is to end all your posts on muscoop.com with "hey?".

[Dr. Blackheart]

The Tommies came to win. MU came not to lose. Next game up.

[Goose]

4ever

MU could be one player away from being top 3-4 contender in the tournament and time will tell. I do think they have 8-9 guys to be top 3-4 contender if they are hitting on all cylinders. To be honest, I like our chances with the 8-9 guys over having one more guy. Joplin is going to better days and probably more better days than bad days based off watching him play 2+ years. I still believe that Ben Gold is going to have a very big fan club during his college career and think it happens sooner than later.