Former walk-on scouting MU

[MUfan12]

https://twitter.com/JohnWillkom/status/1731393210365190604

Some good points in here. I don't know if I totally agree with them being "scoutable." Sure they have their tendencies, but they also mix up actions a lot. I do agree about trying to force UW into our style. Wasn't gonna work.

[mugrad_89]

https://twitter.com/JohnWillkom/status/1731393210365190604

Some good points in here. I don't know if I totally agree with them being "scoutable." Sure they have their tendencies, but they also mix up actions a lot. I do agree about trying to force UW into our style. Wasn't gonna work.

Some pretty good stuff, especially about running some pick and pops for Jop, along with the suggested approach for playing Bucky.

[brewcity77]

I read the thread and generally disagree with it. Phil points out some of the flaws here:

https://x.com/mooof23/status/1731664037190963552?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw

TK is scoutable because he drives left? He's finishing 60% at the rim. Apparently the scout isn't working.

Oso needs to add mid-range? He's making 65% of his 2-point shots and has a reliable 8-12 foot push shot.

This is typical overreaction to a loss. Wisconsin clogged the paint and made us beat them from deep. If our 40% shooter goes 4/9 instead of 1/9 we probably win. If we go 6/12 instead of 3/12 on unguarded spot up threes we probably win.

Bucky gambled that it was better to take away the interior than the perimeter and it worked that day. As the season goes on, our shooters will progress to the norm and teams trying that same strategy will get torched from deep.

S*** happens and it did on Saturday. But acting like the team that won at Illinois, whooped Kansas, and took Purdue to a single possession is broken and easy to scout is simply idiotic.

[Shooter McGavin]

I read the thread and generally disagree with it. Phil points out some of the flaws here:

https://x.com/mooof23/status/1731664037190963552?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw

TK is scoutable because he drives left? He's finishing 60% at the rim. Apparently the scout isn't working.

Oso needs to add mid-range? He's making 65% of his 2-point shots and has a reliable 8-12 foot push shot.

This is typical overreaction to a loss. Wisconsin clogged the paint and made us beat them from deep. If our 40% shooter goes 4/9 instead of 1/9 we probably win. If we go 6/12 instead of 3/12 on unguarded spot up threes we probably win.

Bucky gambled that it was better to take away the interior than the perimeter and it worked that day. As the season goes on, our shooters will progress to the norm and teams trying that same strategy will get torched from deep.

S*** happens and it did on Saturday. But acting like the team that won at Illinois, whooped Kansas, and took Purdue to a single possession is broken and easy to scout is simply idiotic.

+1

[Goose]

brew

I agree completely. They played poorly, shot poorly and lost. If the shooting does not improve, I would be beyond shocked. Anyone that thinks this is team is broken is not a serious fan of the sport. I could argue that the UW game was the fifth biggest game they played this year.

My one and only real concern is that MU has played for two years and eight games like it is the most important game of the year. Since January of last year, they have had very few gimme games or off nights and that has spoiled some fans. To me, it concerns me because every game is not an elimination game. I look at UConn last year and they had their share of off nights or bad games and they could afford to do so because they were damn good.

[tower912]

Scouting MU is like scouting Vullanova under Wright.   There is no secret.  How do you want to defend it.   Wisconsin sagged and MU missed from deep.  Wisconsin crashed the offensive boards hard and MU didn't respond.   Also, not a secret.

[Jay Bee]

Oso's (tied) 2nd KenPom comp.... Junior year Luke Fischer

#doom

[panda]

Scouting MU is like scouting Vullanova under Wright.   There is no secret.  How do you want to defend it.   Wisconsin sagged and MU missed from deep.  Wisconsin crashed the offensive boards hard and MU didn't respond.   Also, not a secret.

Agree w this take. Most of what he said is true. It hits much closer to home following a very poor performance where each of those scouts were exploited, making us look horrible.

The performance level on sat was on the very low end of our talent spectrum.

[tower912]

MU's defense is also pedestrian when not generating turnovers.  (like the Lions.  Ha)  Wisconsin did not turn the ball over.  They got shots up and then went and got the misses.   Still no great mystery.

[Goose]

I think scouting MU is easy on the surface and difficult to execute. MU has played against a lot very good coaches over the past year+ and not many have executed on the scouting report. UW and MSU have players that fit nicely in shutting down MU, especially if they are shooting poorly. Unfortunately, MU shoot the ball poorly and had less good open shots on Saturday.

Not that I really care, but I wish Illinois would have executed the scouting report and shut them down over UW. Beating Bucky is less important to me than ever and that is my take. I get why many on here get down after losing to them and wish the outcome was different.

IMO, the Marquette basketball team is now a national program. They play in an elite conference, play at great NC schedule and that is exciting to me, far more than UW game. It does suck that in the first four games MU has played three B10 teams and UCLA, all tougher matchups if not shooting well.

[Scoop Snoop]

brew

I agree completely. They played poorly, shot poorly and lost. If the shooting does not improve, I would be beyond shocked. Anyone that thinks this is team is broken is not a serious fan of the sport. I could argue that the UW game was the fifth biggest game they played this year.

My one and only real concern is that MU has played for two years and eight games like it is the most important game of the year. Since January of last year, they have had very few gimme games or off nights and that has spoiled some fans. To me, it concerns me because every game is not an elimination game. I look at UConn last year and they had their share of off nights or bad games and they could afford to do so because they were damn good.

UCONN lost to St. Johns on 1/15/23, 85-74. Hey! That's the same margin that we lost by on Saturday.

Oh, one more little detail. That game was on their home court. 

[zcg2013]

The only point I agreed with was how teams are going under on the screens between Tyler and Oso, daring Tyler to shoot. I think he needs to pull the trigger a bit more on those.

Teams know Tyler driving has a high probability of a close shot to the rim, so they rather dare a 40% shooter to stop and pop. Please TK, shoot it.

[Shooter McGavin]

The only point I agreed with was how teams are going under on the screens between Tyler and Oso, daring Tyler to shoot. I think he needs to pull the trigger a bit more on those.

Teams know Tyler driving has a high probability of a close shot to the rim, so they rather dare a 40% shooter to stop and pop. Please TK, shoot it.

Yep

[jfp61]

The only point I agreed with was how teams are going under on the screens between Tyler and Oso, daring Tyler to shoot. I think he needs to pull the trigger a bit more on those.

Teams know Tyler driving has a high probability of a close shot to the rim, so they rather dare a 40% shooter to stop and pop. Please TK, shoot it.

The NBA 3 point percentage on Catch and Shoot is near 36%.

The Dribble pull up NBA 3 point percentage is near 31.5%.

There is a reason why that shot isn't as desirable. 

[zcg2013]

The NBA 3 point percentage on Catch and Shoot is near 36%.

The Dribble pull up NBA 3 point percentage is near 31.5%.

There is a reason why that shot isn't as desirable.

Not desirable, but need to take some to have them not go under every screen.

[panda]

The NBA 3 point percentage on Catch and Shoot is near 36%.

The Dribble pull up NBA 3 point percentage is near 31.5%.

There is a reason why that shot isn't as desirable.

What are college stats ?

[tower912]

In TKo's first year at MU, rhe difference was quite marked.    After he had an All American season defenses are making adjustments.   Wisconsin went under screens.  Illinois didn't help, taking away passing lanes.   

[Herman Cain]

https://twitter.com/JohnWillkom/status/1731393210365190604

Some good points in here. I don't know if I totally agree with them being "scoutable." Sure they have their tendencies, but they also mix up actions a lot. I do agree about trying to force UW into our style. Wasn't gonna work.

I have been pointing out for some time that TKO needs to work on using non dominant hand. He has made some progress but still has a way to go. Clearly this scouting report shows that.

Kam needs to do the same thing.

[Newsdreams]

Oso's (tied) 2nd KenPom comp.... Junior year Luke Fischer

#doom

Oso has shoulder issue?