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Author Topic: Kolek vs Tony Miller Assist Record  (Read 3947 times)

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Re: Kolek vs Tony Miller Assist Record
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2023, 09:39:49 AM »
Miller's best season was 274 assists.
Kolek 33 games @ 8 per game=264

Kolek had 188 assists his first year at MU. Miller had 221+215+274+248. It may be possible, but I believe Kolek will not beat best season or total assists records without post season wins.

What happens, if Kolek plays four years at MU? Currently he listed as having 188 assists as a sophomore. Does his first year get changed to freshmen stats or is going to have two senior stats?

I believe that for MU record purposes they only factor in games at MU (wasn't this the case with Rowsey and scoring?)
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Re: Kolek vs Tony Miller Assist Record
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2023, 09:49:19 AM »
Quote from: Galway Eagle link=topic=64114.msg1507929#msg1507929 date=
I believe that for MU record purposes they only factor in games at MU (wasn't this the case with Rowsey and scoring?)

Correct, Rowesy comes in the MU record book ranked 40th, with only two years of scoring included. 

For those who played before freshmen were eligible, the record book also excludes freshman scoring.

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Re: Kolek vs Tony Miller Assist Record
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2023, 09:53:53 AM »
I believe that for MU record purposes they only factor in games at MU (wasn't this the case with Rowsey and scoring?)
Sucks that they don't include road games
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Re: Kolek vs Tony Miller Assist Record
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2023, 09:59:17 AM »
Miller's best season was 274 assists.
Kolek 33 games @ 8 per game=264

Kolek had 188 assists his first year at MU. Miller had 221+215+274+248. It may be possible, but I believe Kolek will not beat best season or total assists records without post season wins.

What happens, if Kolek plays four years at MU? Currently he listed as having 188 assists as a sophomore. Does his first year get changed to freshmen stats or is going to have two senior stats?

Postseason matters, but so does development. Assuming 31 league games, one BET, and one postseason (NCAA/NIT) the next two years, TK would need to average greater than 8.33 assists for one of the next two seasons (8.33 x 33 = 274) to break the single season record.

But if he keeps up his exact current pace for 2 years at 33 games per year, that's 259 each of the next three years. 259 x 3 + 188 = 965, which means his current pace puts him on a 4 year trajectory ahead of Miller (956) for career without any improvement or postseason play beyond two games per year.

Then for career, the 50 from GMU get that up to 1,015 which puts him 61 away from Bobby Hurley's career record of 1,076. And again, that's with flatline improvement and minimal postseason opportunities. Give TK a little bit of improvement and/or a bit of postseason play and he could leave as the NCAA's all-time assist leader.

It's entirely possible this team will end up playing 35 (one BET & one NCAA win) games this year, which puts him exactly on pace for 275, passing Miller's single season record. Then what if they play 35 each of the next two years, but he averages 8.4 next year (294) and 9.0 in his COVID year (315)? That, along with the GMU numbers, puts him well past Hurley (1,123).

It's premature to think about all-time records, but he's on pace for 259 this year with no postseason wins, and if he managed to play two extra postseason games is on pace to pass Miller this year. And if this year isn't his peak, all-time great stuff really is on the table.
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Re: Kolek vs Tony Miller Assist Record
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2023, 03:15:23 PM »
I’m probably going to regret asking this because I’m sure it’s obvious and I’m just not thinking enough, but what other kinds of rebounds are there?  How is Lazar not in 1st place in total rebounds if he’s got the most offensive and defensive rebounds?
So does anybody know answer to above?

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Re: Kolek vs Tony Miller Assist Record
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2023, 03:20:51 PM »
So does anybody know answer to above?

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Re: Kolek vs Tony Miller Assist Record
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2023, 12:32:17 PM »
Amazing that Lazar is the all-time leader in offensive rebounds and also defensive rebounds, but still trails Don Kojis in total rebounds…
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