Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 11, 2024
New  Old
4   4   UConn   
11   11   Marquette   
16   16   Creighton   
42   49   Villanova   
46   45   St. John's
50   50   Butler   
52   52   Xavier   
57   57   Providence   
76   67   Seton Hall   
199   199   Georgetown   
316   316   DePaul   
February 12 Team Sheets:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus
MU is 11:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/team-net-sheet?team=Marquette

[Herman Cain]

Big East Poll Rankings February 12, 2024
AP
1. U Conn
4. MU
17. Creighton
Coaches
1. U Conn
4. MU
16. Creighton

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 12, 2024
New  Old
4   4   UConn   
11   11   Marquette   
15   16   Creighton   
41   42   Villanova   
46   46   St. John's
50   50   Butler
52   52   Xavier   
58   57   Providence   
76   76   Seton Hall   
198   199   Georgetown   
315   316   DePaul
February 13th Team Sheets:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus
MU is 11:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/team-net-sheet?team=Marquette

[brewcity77]

A number of games to watch tonight...

• Georgetown at Creighton: The Jays moved up to 15, which makes them Q1A. Hope for a 25+ point win to stay there.
  
• St John's at Providence: If the Johnnies can do to the Friars what they did to Villanova on the road, they could move from 46 to the top-40 & Q1A range.
  
• Texas A&M at Vanderbilt: The Aggies are 37, a close win or outright loss could drop them to 41, making Villanova away a Q1A win.
  
• Iowa State at Cincinnati: The Bearcats are 35, a big ISU win could drop them past Villanova.
  
• Last, in the multiple unlikely scenarios, if LSU beats Florida, Baylor blows out Oklahoma, Pitt beats Virginia, and Kentucky loses to Ole Miss, it's possible Texas could move into the top-30 and Q1 status without playing a game.

[lawdog77]

Apparently the SEC knows how to game the system. All 3 SEC teams in the Top 10 NET have losing Q1 records
5   5   Alabama   SEC   17-7   4-3   2-3   11-1   3-6   5-1   5-0   4-0
6   6   Tennessee   SEC   17-6   4-3   2-2   11-1   4-5   5-1   4-0   4-0
7   7   Auburn   SEC   19-5   3-4   4-1   12-0   2-4   6-1   6-0   5-0

[brewcity77]

Jays stay at 15. Texas gets oh so close, getting to 31. Nova jumps ahead of A&M back into the top-40. St John's drops to 48, but Seton Hall back to 75.

And bonus, Marquette moves ahead of UNC to 10.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 13, 2024
New  Old
4   4   UConn   
10   11   Marquette   
15   15   Creighton   
39   41   Villanova   
48   46   St. John's
50   50   Butler
51   52   Xavier   
58   58   Providence   
75   76   Seton Hall   
199   198   Georgetown   
316   315   DePaul
February 14 Team Sheets:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus
MU is 10:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/team-net-sheet?team=Marquette

[FairWeatherEagle]

Apparently the SEC knows how to game the system. All 3 SEC teams in the Top 10 NET have losing Q1 records
5   5   Alabama   SEC   17-7   4-3   2-3   11-1   3-6   5-1   5-0   4-0
6   6   Tennessee   SEC   17-6   4-3   2-2   11-1   4-5   5-1   4-0   4-0
7   7   Auburn   SEC   19-5   3-4   4-1   12-0   2-4   6-1   6-0   5-0

The team I'm looking at is South Carolina. Used to live in Columbia when they were the first 2 to lose to a 15 🙄.
They have 6 Q1 games left that they could all very well win. 3-2 Q1 now and possibly 9-2 with an SEC championship...that would get a 1 no doubt... possibly displacing a potential MU.

So biggest game tonight is SC @ Auburn.

[goldeneagle91114]

The team I'm looking at is South Carolina. Used to live in Columbia when they were the first 2 to lose to a 15 🙄.
They have 6 Q1 games left that they could all very well win. 3-2 Q1 now and possibly 9-2 with an SEC championship...that would get a 1 no doubt... possibly displacing a potential MU.

So biggest game tonight is SC @ Auburn.

Can't wait for the top 16 reveal. Will give us so much to unpack

[Carl]

FWIW, Auburn is an 11.5 favorite against SC tonight. Definitely in marquettes interest for Auburn to cover that spread

[HowardsWorld]

The team I'm looking at is South Carolina. Used to live in Columbia when they were the first 2 to lose to a 15 🙄.
They have 6 Q1 games left that they could all very well win. 3-2 Q1 now and possibly 9-2 with an SEC championship...that would get a 1 no doubt... possibly displacing a potential MU.

So biggest game tonight is SC @ Auburn.

The SEC is the best conference this year with the Big 12 a close second. You look at S.Carolina, Auburn, Alabama and Tennessee. Anyone of those teams could make the final four. I think a lot of people slept on S.Carolina because they weren't ranked up until last week and they had some massive wins on their resume will remaining unranked. Its very plausible like you said that they could win out. Tonight is their toughest remaining test so in the interest of seeing we would like to see Auburn win.  There non conference schedule is probably one of worst in basketball.

[Holy hell all time]

T Rank has them as underdogs in 5 of their 7 remaining regular season games, with 1 of the 2 that they're favored in being by under 1 point.  There's very, very little chance they win out.

[Carl]

Agreed. Going by their metrics, which are abnormally bad for an SEC team that is 21-3 (44th in Kenpom), them going 1-6 down the stretch is far more probable than them going 7-0

[LAZER]

The SEC is the best conference this year with the Big 12 a close second. You look at S.Carolina, Auburn, Alabama and Tennessee. Anyone of those teams could make the final four. I think a lot of people slept on S.Carolina because they weren't ranked up until last week and they had some massive wins on their resume will remaining unranked. Its very plausible like you said that they could win out. Tonight is their toughest remaining test so in the interest of seeing we would like to see Auburn win.  There non conference schedule is probably one of worst in basketball.

I like Tennessee, but I'm not sold on the rest of the SEC. Very skeptical of Alabama, Auburn, and SC as legit F4 contenders.

[PGsHeroes32]

UCLA plays 35 Net Colorado tomorrow.

Stay hot and win that, they are really gonna be a Q2 contender

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 14, 2024
New  Old
4   4   UConn   
10   10   Marquette   
16   15   Creighton   
40   39   Villanova   
47   48   St. John's
49   50   Butler   
57   51   Xavier
58   58   Providence   
67   75   Seton Hall   
198   199   Georgetown   
321   316   DePaul
February 15 Team Sheets:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus
MU is 10:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/team-net-sheet?team=Marquette

[PGsHeroes32]

Notre dame up 3 more spots. Giving them a little breathing room to stay Q3

[brewcity77]

Clemson looked like they were going to drop below 30 last night and turn Texas into a Q1 win when the Tigers were trailing Miami 57-53 with 7 minutes left. But they went on a 24-3 run to end the game and ended up moving up instead of down.

[wisblue]

The team I'm looking at is South Carolina. Used to live in Columbia when they were the first 2 to lose to a 15 🙄.
They have 6 Q1 games left that they could all very well win. 3-2 Q1 now and possibly 9-2 with an SEC championship...that would get a 1 no doubt... possibly displacing a potential MU.

So biggest game tonight is SC @ Auburn.

If South Carolina is being looked at as a threat for a 1 or 2 seed, those hopes took a pretty big hit with a 40 point loss to Auburn. That game made a marginal resume look even weaker.

Some of the obvious holes;

1. Their NET was already 45 and that game dropped it to 51.

2. Their metrics, especially the predictive metrics like Pomeroy (where they are at 50) are not great.

3. They are only 3-3 in Quad 1 games and one of those wins is against Grand Canyon. The teams challenging for the top seeds generally have more Q1 wins than that. The top SEC teams are generally lower than the top teams from the other power conferences.

4.Their overall strength of schedule is 281, reflecting a very weak OOC schedule.

I suspect that their AP ranking of 11 is a lot higher than they would appear on the NCAA seed list. There isn't a lot of meat there to back up the road win over Tennessee.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

If South Carolina is being looked at as a threat for a 1 or 2 seed, those hopes took a pretty big hit with a 40 point loss to Auburn. That game made a marginal resume look even weaker.

Some of the obvious holes;

1. Their NET was already 45 and that game dropped it to 51.

2. Their metrics, especially the predictive metrics like Pomeroy (where they are at 50) are not great.

3. They are only 3-3 in Quad 1 games and one of those wins is against Grand Canyon. The teams challenging for the top seeds generally have more Q1 wins than that. The top SEC teams are generally lower than the top teams from the other power conferences.

4.Their overall strength of schedule is 281, reflecting a very weak OOC schedule.

I suspect that their AP ranking of 11 is a lot higher than they would appear on the NCAA seed list. There isn't a lot of meat there to back up the road win over Tennessee.

They were a 5 seed on Bracket Matrix yesterday. So the bracket guys know they were over-ranked.

[TallTitan34]

Friendly reminder Jon Rothstein has South Carolina ranked ahead of us on his AP ballot.

[FairWeatherEagle]

We've litigated the SC thing already but feel free to pile on. I'm a fan and hope the go somewhere in the madness of March.

[TallTitan34]

feel free to pile on.

Ok.

Scoop is littered with piss poor takes and people being wrong.  Myself included.  PTM's Scoop signature is an homage to my stupidity. 

But the magnitude of wrongness (40 point blowout) and speed of which you were proven wrong (mere hours) is something I don't think I've ever seen on here before.

On the flip side they could still do quite well from here on out and prove you right.  I don't think they will but it could happen! 

[MU82]

But the magnitude of wrongness (40 point blowout) and speed of which you were proven wrong (mere hours) is something I don't think I've ever seen on here before.

In the hours and minutes before tip-off of last season's game vs. Baylor, there were plenty of Scoopers who said Marquette had absolutely no chance.

[StillAWarrior]

But the magnitude of wrongness (40 point blowout) and speed of which you were proven wrong (mere hours) is something I don't think I've ever seen on here before.

This is one of the best things I've seen on 'Scoop in quite some time.

Don't sweat it, FairWeatherEagle...everyone knows "fan" is short for "fanatic." You just let the SC fan in you use your computer for a couple hours. It happens to the best of us.