Wisconsin Volleyball Leak

[Galway Eagle]

Wtf?

1) huge invasion of their privacy.

2) why do this in the first place? I've been on a lot of teams and can say not once did everyone strip down for team photos after a big win.

3) conspiracy theories on who did the leak?

[Uncle Rico]

Wtf?

1) huge invasion of their privacy.

2) why do this in the first place? I've been on a lot of teams and can say not once did everyone strip down for team photos after a big win.

3) conspiracy theories on who did the leak?

Jeff Potrykus to distract from the mess of a football team

[cheebs09]

Let’s not forget the pervert that is Bucky Badger. Especially since he’s always without pants.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Jeff Potrykus to distract from the mess of a football team

You jest, but I guarantee you that he was beating the meat with his taco bell sauced hands when this hit twitter.

[Uncle Rico]

You jest, but I guarantee you that he was beating the meat with his taco bell sauced hands when this hit twitter.

He’s a perv, no question. 

[ZiggysFryBoy]

He’s a perv, no question.

^^^found his burner.

[wadesworld]

This is a good look for Scoop.

[tower912]

So wrong.  So pathetic. 

[Jay Bee]

pics?

[Skatastrophy]

pics?

[tower912]

Thank you for the appropriate and inevitable post.

[Dickthedribbler]

One of Brian Butch's finer moments. His UW education provided a lot of bang for the buck.

[Billy Hoyle]

Wtf?

1) huge invasion of their privacy.

2) why do this in the first place? I've been on a lot of teams and can say not once did everyone strip down for team photos after a big win.

3) conspiracy theories on who did the leak?

It was probably the same person who leaked the Draymond Green video.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

  i don't know what the hell this has to do with the fact that i know a player that USED to play for the badgers women's volleyball team has to do with anything except to dox me out, but you feel better now, right?  the player that i do know would not have acted out in such a manner as she was raised by a great family, a mom and a dad who are 2 of the most well respected people in our community

   my point was, what the leaker of these pics did was abhorrent, no question about it.  there are going to be leakers all throughout our lives, right tamu?  however, these girls should have known better than to allow someone to take these pics of them putting themselves in compromising positions.  they've grown up in this age of social media which can be very good and unfortunately, very bad, but they know how it works

   they are going to find this person(the leaker) and he/she should be held accountable.  there was no excuse for what the leaker did.  all it takes is for someone with a cruel motive to do what they did.  when someone has even the slightest vendetta, jealousy, a disagreement, differing opinions on certain things, like ohhh, political stances or something on a public forum, stuff like that.  they will look for anything they can find to distract and demean...sound familiar?

Rocket, I didn't dox you. Explain to me how what I posted could be used to identify any personal information about you. I brought up something that you posted on here a little while ago. So if somehow what I posted could be used to identify you, then you doxxed yourself already.

I posted this for two reasons. First, to try to get you to have some empathy by having you imagine how you would feel if this happened to someone you knew and (supposedly) cared for and respected. I've seen it suggested that this is a UW volleyball tradition so pictures like this of past teams may exist. I don't know if that's true but even if it isn't, I promise you that at least one woman (probably several) in your life that you care for whether it's your mother, your wife, a daughter, a friend, a niece, a granddaughter, a cousin, a friend's kid, a former patient, etc. has consensually taken a nude photo for someone else before. That doesn't make them bad, dumb, slutty, or whatever adjective you want to use. It just means that they trusted someone enough to share that with them and I pray that their trust wasn't betrayed.

Second, to illustrate that while you feel comfortable posting these things anonymously, you would never have the balls to say this with your name attached. My guess is that M was teammates with some of the women who had their photos leaked. I doubt she would take kindly to someone victim blaming them the way you have. I don't know the family but in my experience, family members of athletes view their daughter's teammates as an extension of their family. I doubt they would take kindly to your comments either.

It's fine to have a conversation about the risks of taking a photo like that. It's different to actively blame them for the photos being leaked. It's like saying that someone who parks their car in a sketchy neighborhood is to blame if it gets stolen. Or someone who hides a house key under a fake rock is to blame for their house getting robbed. Or someone who uses the same password for all of their accounts is to blame for getting hacked. You can have a conversation about how to minimize your risk without blaming the victims.

[Galway Eagle]

Rocket, I didn't dox you. Explain to me how what I posted could be used to identify any personal information about you. I brought up something that you posted on here a little while ago. So if somehow what I posted could be used to identify you, then you doxxed yourself already.

I posted this for two reasons. First, to try to get you to have some empathy by having you imagine how you would feel if this happened to someone you knew and (supposedly) cared for and respected. I've seen it suggested that this is a UW volleyball tradition so pictures like this of past teams may exist. I don't know if that's true but even if it isn't, I promise you that at least one woman (probably several) in your life that you care for whether it's your mother, your wife, a daughter, a friend, a niece, a granddaughter, a cousin, a friend's kid, a former patient, etc. has consensually taken a nude photo for someone else before. That doesn't make them bad, dumb, slutty, or whatever adjective you want to use. It just means that they trusted someone enough to share that with them and I pray that their trust wasn't betrayed.

Second, to illustrate that while you feel comfortable posting these things anonymously, you would never have the balls to say this with your name attached. My guess is that M was teammates with some of the women who had their photos leaked. I doubt she would take kindly to someone victim blaming them the way you have. I don't know the family but in my experience, family members of athletes view their daughter's teammates as an extension of their family. I doubt they would take kindly to your comments either.

It's fine to have a conversation about the risks of taking a photo like that. It's different to actively blame them for the photos being leaked. It's like saying that someone who parks their car in a sketchy neighborhood is to blame if it gets stolen. Or someone who hides a house key under a fake rock is to blame for their house getting robbed. Or someone who uses the same password for all of their accounts is to blame for getting hacked. You can have a conversation about how to minimize your risk without blaming the victims.

I'm not sure those analogies apply but I agree with the broader point. I was trying open a discussion on these issues, surveys show leaking nude images has increased dramatically over the years and yet with all the publicity of revenge porn and images circulating with friends of the intended, they still are getting taken and shared.

One needs a house key, one puts it under a fake rock as a defense.

One needs a car (in most areas of the USA) and locks it behind them.

One doesn't need to take a nude photo (and not with their teammates) and especially take it with someone else phone where you no longer control the content.

In order of wrong doing its on the leaker first and foremost but its also not unfair to call out some lapses in judgement from the players either.

[wadesworld]

I'm not sure those analogies apply but I agree with the broader point. I was trying open a discussion on these issues, surveys show leaking nude images has increased dramatically over the years and yet with all the publicity of revenge porn and images circulating with friends of the intended, they still are getting taken and shared.

One needs a house key, one puts it under a fake rock as a defense.

One needs a car (in most areas of the USA) and locks it behind them.

One doesn't need to take a nude photo (and not with their teammates) and especially take it with someone else phone where you no longer control the content.

In order of wrong doing its on the leaker first and foremost but its also not unfair to call out some lapses in judgement from the players either.

But when someone forgets to lock their house or car door and someone steals out of those things, it’s 0% the victims fault. You don’t steal. Full stop. It’s not “well you shouldn’t steal, but I mean, the door was open judge!”

This wasn’t taken at some party. This was in a locker room! I can’t believe this is even a discussion beyond “this is horribly inappropriate of the person who leaked these photos.” The end.

[withoutbias]

Yeah doqqq, you doxxxed yourself. You’ve proudly let everyone know exactly what former Badger player you know. And then you came on here and made the posts you have. If you really believe in what you’re saying, you shouldn’t get all defensive about being doxxxed. Stand behind your conviction man. Send this thread to the family yourself. After all, you’re standing up for the beautiful person she is and looking out for someone whose legacy as a Badger volleyball alum may be tarnished by these horrible women.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm not sure those analogies apply but I agree with the broader point. I was trying open a discussion on these issues, surveys show leaking nude images has increased dramatically over the years and yet with all the publicity of revenge porn and images circulating with friends of the intended, they still are getting taken and shared.

One needs a house key, one puts it under a fake rock as a defense.

One needs a car (in most areas of the USA) and locks it behind them.

One doesn't need to take a nude photo (and not with their teammates) and especially take it with someone else phone where you no longer control the content.

In order of wrong doing its on the leaker first and foremost but its also not unfair to call out some lapses in judgement from the players either.

You need a house key, but you don't need to put it under a fake rock. You may need a car, but you don't need to park it in a place where car thefts have been known to happen. You need online passwords,  but you don't need to use the same one for all of your accounts.

It is fine to have a conversation about risk reduction. That can be done without victim blaming.

[Jay Bee]

You may need a car, but you don't need to park it in a place where car thefts have been known to happen.

So if someone has lived in a neighborhood for a long time, and there’s a spike in car thefts in that area, but they continue to park on the street they’ve always lived on, our response to their car being stolen should be, “you didn’t need to park where you did”?

[Galway Eagle]

But when someone forgets to lock their house or car door and someone steals out of those things, it’s 0% the victims fault. You don’t steal. Full stop. It’s not “well you shouldn’t steal, but I mean, the door was open judge!”

This wasn’t taken at some party. This was in a locker room! I can’t believe this is even a discussion beyond “this is horribly inappropriate of the person who leaked these photos.” The end.

I'm not arguing the ethical merits of stealing nor whether a society should be better to where I can send a photo of my junk to people without risking it being leaked. But it is a reality, we can either accept reality and take measures against it or sit there saying "I can do whatever I want, without ever thinking of ramifications" then be bewildered when things bite us in the ass. For example I don't ride the blue line home at night (equates to taking nude photos), I've never personally been mugged (equates to leaked) on the blue line (nude photos), I know enough people who have to know better (equates to knowing people who have been leaked). If I do ride it home (take a nude photo), I accept that there's a real possibility of me being mugged (leaked). I won't sit there just saying "damn mugging's (leaking's) wrong! I can't believe THEY did this to me!" I'd accept the reality of the situation I put myself into and also acknowledge it's true that it shouldn't be that way and should be different.

This isn't Boolean logic here man both things can be true.

[Galway Eagle]

You need a house key, but you don't need to put it under a fake rock. You may need a car, but you don't need to park it in a place where car thefts have been known to happen. You need online passwords,  but you don't need to use the same one for all of your accounts.

It is fine to have a conversation about risk reduction. That can be done without victim blaming.

I'm losing track of the analogy now. If the house key is the photo and the fake rock was safety then is your argument you need a nude photo but don't need security? I mean that's true, but if I leave a key on my front steps for all to see and then get upset when people walk into my house I feel like there needs to be a little onus on me. The car analogy reads the opposite because that advocates a bit for victim blaming. Essentially it becomes your fault for parking in an area where it could happen. 

We can sit and say "society should always cast blame on the one who does something unethical!" That's absolutely true but reality is people do things that are unethical, if I don't take some steps to protect myself. I'm an idiot. Imagine if I ran for office and you decided to leak all the photos of my passed out in the hallway covered in Halloween decorations from 10yrs ago, that's on me at least a tiny bit for putting myself in that position not just on you for leaking them.

To me it sounds like your statement about risk reduction essentially is what I'm saying. The major difference being I'm saying if I've learned the risks and do something anyways there's a bit of fault for ignoring said risks. That can be true without blaming the victim for the actual leak itself.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So if someone has lived in a neighborhood for a long time, and there’s a spike in car thefts in that area, but they continue to park on the street they’ve always lived on, our response to their car being stolen should be, “you didn’t need to park where you did”?

No our response should be, "I'm so sorry your car got stolen I hope they catch the person who did it." Just like our response should be for the Wisconsin volleyball players.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm losing track of the analogy now. If the house key is the photo and the fake rock was safety then is your argument you need a nude photo but don't need security? I mean that's true, but if I leave a key on my front steps for all to see and then get upset when people walk into my house I feel like there needs to be a little onus on me. The car analogy reads the opposite because that advocates a bit for victim blaming. Essentially it becomes your fault for parking in an area where it could happen. 

We can sit and say "society should always cast blame on the one who does something unethical!" That's absolutely true but reality is people do things that are unethical, if I don't take some steps to protect myself. I'm an idiot. Imagine if I ran for office and you decided to leak all the photos of my passed out in the hallway covered in Halloween decorations from 10yrs ago, that's on me at least a tiny bit for putting myself in that position not just on you for leaking them.

To me it sounds like your statement about risk reduction essentially is what I'm saying. The major difference being I'm saying if I've learned the risks and do something anyways there's a bit of fault for ignoring said risks. That can be true without blaming the victim for the actual leak itself.

I think we're getting too in the weeds on the analogy. Though one key difference between your example from OD and this example is consent. I do not need your consent to take a photo of you passed out fully clothed in a public area. I also don't need your consent to distribute those photos. That's fair game. Is it ethical? We can argue that. Nude photos are different. You need that person's that consent to take the photo and to distribute it.

Bottom line is, risk reduction is fine. Just because someone engaged in a risky behavior doesn't mean they are to blame when someone commits a crime against them.

[Jay Bee]

Bottom line is, risk reduction is fine. Just because someone engaged in a risky behavior doesn't mean they are to blame when someone commits a crime against them.

Not to blame because they don’t deserve it, but sometimes acknowledging stupidity is a good lesson.

“My car got broken into.  I had my laptop in the passenger seat in plain view & it was stolen.”

“Uhh, sorry, that’s awful. Also, you shouldn’t leave your laptop in plain view of your unattended car.” <—- reasonable to say both

[wadesworld]

I'm not arguing the ethical merits of stealing nor whether a society should be better to where I can send a photo of my junk to people without risking it being leaked. But it is a reality, we can either accept reality and take measures against it or sit there saying "I can do whatever I want, without ever thinking of ramifications" then be bewildered when things bite us in the ass. For example I don't ride the blue line home at night (equates to taking nude photos), I've never personally been mugged (equates to leaked) on the blue line (nude photos), I know enough people who have to know better (equates to knowing people who have been leaked). If I do ride it home (take a nude photo), I accept that there's a real possibility of me being mugged (leaked). I won't sit there just saying "damn mugging's (leaking's) wrong! I can't believe THEY did this to me!" I'd accept the reality of the situation I put myself into and also acknowledge it's true that it shouldn't be that way and should be different.

This isn't Boolean logic here man both things can be true.

Ah yes. People need to teach their daughters not to wear revealing clothing and men won’t be tempted to rape you.

Brutal. Really brutal.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

“Uhh, sorry, that’s awful. Also, you shouldn’t leave your laptop in plain view of your unattended car.” <—- reasonable to say both

Sure though there's a time and place. This:

so, the badgers women's volleyball team, whose attempts to boost their personal NIL is going badly.  they ever hear of onlyfans? 

  so one of the beefs is that the pics were not supposed to be shared publicly? 

       really really??  do these college age adults have any idea of how this stuff works?  ya know how the pics wouldn't have been shared?  keep your damn clothes on

this one ranks right up there with bo ryan's masseuse

Is not that.

[Uncle Rico]

I can’t keep track of who the real victims are.  I need a card to help me out

[Galway Eagle]

Ah yes. People need to teach their daughters not to wear revealing clothing and men won’t be tempted to rape you.

Brutal. Really brutal.

You're a person who jumps to hyperbole one clearly didn't say? You're debating the same as the people you most often hate on on here, it's quite ironic.

[wadesworld]

You're a person who jumps to hyperbole one clearly didn't say? You're debating the same as the people you most often hate on on here, it's quite ironic.

That’s not hyperbole at all. It’s exactly the same. Reduce your risk, right? Idiots are out there, so if you don’t want your nude locker room photos to get out to the public then don’t take them. Idiots are also out there, so if you don’t want to be sexually assaulted then don’t wear revealing clothing or have one too many drinks. It’s the same argument and it’s absolutely brutal. I’m glad you’re so upset by it because you should be.

We can compare someone leaving a laptop in the front seat of a car where break ins are common to nude photos in a locker room being leaked, but we can’t compare nudes being liked to sexual assault. That’s a step too far. Got it.

There’s one person at fault here. It’s the person who leaked it. Full stop.

[Galway Eagle]

That’s not hyperbole at all. It’s exactly the same. Reduce your risk, right? Idiots are out there, so if you don’t want your nude locker room photos to get out to the public then don’t take them. Idiots are also out there, so if you don’t want to be sexually assaulted then don’t wear revealing clothing or have one too many drinks. It’s the same argument and it’s absolutely brutal. I’m glad you’re so upset by it because you should be.

We can compare someone leaving a laptop in the front seat of a car where break ins are common to nude photos in a locker room being leaked, but we can’t compare nudes being liked to sexual assault. That’s a step too far. Got it.

There’s one person at fault here. It’s the person who leaked it. Full stop.

It is exactly hyperbole, I said something way different and you blew it into a point I definitely was not making nor agree with, it's like if a moderate said "I'm for abortion in some cases" and someones replied "oh you wanna kill all the babies!".

It assumes provocative clothing is the cause of these assaults, it's not. It can happen to a mom in jeans and a sweatshirt, or a person out jogging, or to a teen wearing booty shirts and a crop top whether in a crap area, a college campus, high school party, in the park etc. You're not putting yourself into the situation by wearing provocative clothing, the entire world is already fairly unsafe you didn't make a conscious decision to make it worse.

These weren't some secret cam photos for which I'd have loads of sympathy for, they were clearly on someone's phone (for the record a blurred one came up on Reddit I wasn't out looking so idk about the other photos). They didn't think "hey she hands her phone off to a ton of people maybe leaving our topless photo on her phone is a bad idea" or "she can be vindictive when she's drunk maybe we should ask her to delete that" I mean come on.

By making the comparison you did you're trivializing the trauma of someone who absolutely did nothing to get assaulted to people who actively put themselves into the precarious spot from the get go. It's hyperbole and a false equivalency.

[wadesworld]

It is exactly hyperbole, I said something way different and you blew it into a point I definitely was not making nor agree with, it's like if a moderate said "I'm for abortion in some cases" and someones replied "oh you wanna kill all the babies!".

It assumes provocative clothing is the cause of these assaults, it's not. It can happen to a mom in jeans and a sweatshirt, or a person out jogging, or to a teen wearing booty shirts and a crop top whether in a crap area, a college campus, high school party, in the park etc. You're not putting yourself into the situation by wearing provocative clothing, the entire world is already fairly unsafe you didn't make a conscious decision to make it worse.

These weren't some secret cam photos for which I'd have loads of sympathy for, they were clearly on someone's phone (for the record a blurred one came up on Reddit I wasn't out looking so idk about the other photos). They didn't think "hey she hands her phone off to a ton of people maybe leaving our topless photo on her phone is a bad idea" or "she can be vindictive when she's drunk maybe we should ask her to delete that" I mean come on.

By making the comparison you did you're trivializing the trauma of someone who absolutely did nothing to get assaulted to people who actively put themselves into the precarious spot from the get go. It's hyperbole and a false equivalency.

You’re making my point. No matter what you do, there are bad people in the world. Let’s blame the bad people for doing bad things!

By drinking too much, a girl makes herself an easier target for a bad person to “take advantage of.” By putting nude photos on someone’s phone, someone makes themselves more likely to have bad photos leaked.

This isn’t the Wisconsin players’ fault! (Well, obviously unless one of the players was the leaker). It’s so predictable and so sad that we always have to bring up, “well if they didn’t do this…” when something bad happens to people. They’re the victim!

[Uncle Rico]

This wouldn’t happen if we didn’t let broads play sports

[Galway Eagle]

You’re making my point. No matter what you do, there are bad people in the world. Let’s blame the bad people for doing bad things!

By drinking too much, a girl makes herself an easier target for a bad person to “take advantage of.” By putting nude photos on someone’s phone, someone makes themselves more likely to have bad photos leaked.

This isn’t the Wisconsin players’ fault! (Well, obviously unless one of the players was the leaker). It’s so predictable and so sad that we always have to bring up, “well if they didn’t do this…” when something bad happens to people. They’re the victim!

Again the girl drinking too much didn't make a decision that made her become a victim (in most cases, the blurred lines of various parties intoxication levels and ability to consent notwithstanding). If a girl drinks or goes out dressed provocatively they made a conscious decision to just have a fun night and flaunt their body a bit. If a person makes a conscious decision to send a nude they already made a conscious decision to put themselves into the leaking position and gave the other party power over them now. Thus these aren't comparable situations at all. Your assault scenario would be more akin to passing out naked in a known rapists bed and just saying "your move but I trust you'll make the right decision". 

[wadesworld]

Again the girl drinking too much didn't make a decision that made her become a victim (in most cases, the blurred lines of various parties intoxication levels notwithstanding). If a girl drinks or goes out provocatively they made a conscious decision to just have a fun night and flaunt their body a bit. If a person makes a conscious decision to take a nude they already made a conscious decision to put themselves into the leaking position and gave the other party power over them now. Thus these aren't comparable situations at all. Your assault scenario would be more akin to passing out naked in a known rapists bed and just saying "your move but I trust you'll make the right decision".

Yeah that makes no sense whatsoever. A group of girls took a nude photo in a locker room, thus they decided they want their nude photos out in public? I’m not understanding that train of logic whatsoever. I don’t know who leaked what or sent what to who, but I’d venture to say a majority of the people in the photos intended to keep those photos private. Just like if a girl drank until she blacked out, she probably isn’t intending on being sexually assaulted.

The volleyball players didn’t make a decision to have their nude photos all over the internet. They just didn’t.

[Galway Eagle]

Yeah that makes no sense whatsoever. A group of girls took a nude photo in a locker room, thus they decided they want their nude photos out in public? I’m not understanding that train of logic whatsoever. I don’t know who leaked what or sent what to who, but I’d venture to say a majority of the people in the photos intended to keep those photos private. Just like if a girl drank until she blacked out, she probably isn’t intending on being sexually assaulted.

The volleyball players didn’t make a decision to have their nude photos all over the internet. They just didn’t.

I'm not saying they did, but they did make a conscious decision to give that power to someone else. They essentially put the ball in someone else's court to make the decision. The girl who drank till black out just made a conscious decision to have a fun night the onus is always on the individual who attacked/manipulated/drugged etc. I mean seriously if I just handed someone my social security card and they leaked it you wouldn't think even slightly "why did you trust someone with such important info?" Your reaction would only purely be "man I can't believe that guy leaked your info!"

I agree they didn't take those photos for them to get leaked, that's why the leaker bares like >90% of the blame but im not going to pretend like it was a smart decision to trust my nudes on someone else's phone though.

[pbiflyer]

Thankfully, I never did anything stupid in college, just like many here must not have who are blaming the girls.

[Galway Eagle]

Thankfully, I never did anything stupid in college, just like many here must not have who are blaming the girls.

Nope there's plenty of photos of me doing drugs, tagging a train car, running on top of cars, knocking someone out, drinking underage, etc. As I alluded to when speaking to TAMU, if I were someone where it'd be worth these leaking I'd bear some of the responsibility for putting myself in this situation in the first place. Hindsight's 20/20. Again this isn't some pick a side issue not hard to say "this leak was flat out wrong, as well as someone needs to be smarter about their choices". Wades is trying to cast me as the old guy saying "don't wear provocative clothes" when I'm in fact 90% in agreement with him, everyone's just focused on me not blindly casting sympathy without also saying people need to start considering some personal responsibility.

[pbiflyer]

Galway my comment wasn’t directed at you. It’s just we’ve all done stupid stuff which munch of which could have had horrible consequences. Luckily most didn’t. There but for the grace of god……

[wadesworld]

I'm not saying they did, but they did make a conscious decision to give that power to someone else. They essentially put the ball in someone else's court to make the decision. The girl who drank till black out just made a conscious decision to have a fun night the onus is always on the individual who attacked/manipulated/drugged etc. I mean seriously if I just handed someone my social security card and they leaked it you wouldn't think even slightly "why did you trust someone with such important info?" Your reaction would only purely be "man I can't believe that guy leaked your info!"

I agree they didn't take those photos for them to get leaked, that's why the leaker bares like >90% of the blame but im not going to pretend like it was a smart decision to trust my nudes on someone else's phone though.

Sheesh, weren’t you just complaining about hyperbole a couple hours ago? Comparing flashing a camera with some of the people you are closest to in the world to handing a stranger on the street your Social Security card? That’s not what they were doing. They weren’t just walking down the street asking some frat bro they saw to take nudies of them.

[Galway Eagle]

Sheesh, weren’t you just complaining about hyperbole a couple hours ago? Comparing flashing a camera with some of the people you are closest to in the world to handing a stranger on the street your Social Security card? That’s not what they were doing. They weren’t just walking down the street asking some frat bro they saw to take nudies of them.

It seemed that hyperbole was all you respond to. The essential thing is it's personal stuff you don't want getting out that gets out. In my scenario I gave my stuff to someone and put it in their hands to do what they want, your comparison to sexual assault completely ignores that.