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Author Topic: And Then Along Came Jones?  (Read 6766 times)

MuggsyB

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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #125 on: September 20, 2022, 06:50:23 PM »
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63350.0

Found it.    The big change in MU down the stretch was transition defense.   

Terrible.  Ty for the confirmation Tower.  We all remember it with horror.

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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #126 on: September 24, 2022, 12:07:37 AM »
I don’t mean this in the wrong way, but…
 
Last 10 games of the regular season (pre-conf tourney): MU avg offensive ppp on a per game basis, 106.1. Previous 10 games to those: 104.9.
 
Same figures.. but for defense.. MU at the end… 104.4.. previous… 97.1
 
Kolek.. last 10.. 1.6 PRPG!, 97.4 Ortg, 47.1% eFG%, 23.8% TO rate

Kolek, previous 10… 1.3 PRPG!, 92.5 ORtg, 39.9% eFG%, 26.7% TO rate

Kur & Oso weren’t going to be high usage guys no matter who they played with last season.

Sweet stats

https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1573336895882293248?s=46&t=3KdHgIzlJf497iM_r0lqBA

January 4th, 2022. 88-56.

One team won conference 2 months later, the other lost by 30 and had the worst performance in the NCAA tournament after losing every ounce of itself down the stretch.

Defense was poor and rebounding was brutal, but let’s pretend the offense didn’t lose its magic.

Use the eyes, not the numbers

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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #127 on: September 24, 2022, 05:31:25 AM »
Sweet stats

https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1573336895882293248?s=46&t=3KdHgIzlJf497iM_r0lqBA

January 4th, 2022. 88-56.

One team won conference 2 months later, the other lost by 30 and had the worst performance in the NCAA tournament after losing every ounce of itself down the stretch.

Defense was poor and rebounding was brutal, but let’s pretend the offense didn’t lose its magic.

Use the eyes, not the numbers

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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #128 on: September 24, 2022, 06:20:36 AM »
Sweet stats

https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1573336895882293248?s=46&t=3KdHgIzlJf497iM_r0lqBA

January 4th, 2022. 88-56.

One team won conference 2 months later, the other lost by 30 and had the worst performance in the NCAA tournament after losing every ounce of itself down the stretch.

Defense was poor and rebounding was brutal, but let’s pretend the offense didn’t lose its magic.

Use the eyes, not the numbers

I use both. Our offense was fine down the stretch.  Our defense went down the crapper
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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #129 on: September 24, 2022, 08:00:04 AM »
Sweet stats

https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1573336895882293248?s=46&t=3KdHgIzlJf497iM_r0lqBA

January 4th, 2022. 88-56.

One team won conference 2 months later, the other lost by 30 and had the worst performance in the NCAA tournament after losing every ounce of itself down the stretch.

Defense was poor and rebounding was brutal, but let’s pretend the offense didn’t lose its magic.

Use the eyes, not the numbers

You serious, Clark?

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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #130 on: September 24, 2022, 09:24:56 AM »
I use both. Our offense was fine down the stretch.  Our defense went down the crapper

Agree. MU's offense was consistently average game by game, but the defense was abysmal the second time through the conference.

Either MU coaches didn't adjust well or they didn't have the personnel to adjust. Has that been fixed? Will MU play at a slower tempo or improve on rebounding to avoid transition breakouts that were use to exploit MU? Will the new and returning personnel fix that gap?

Can't wait to see.

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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #131 on: September 24, 2022, 09:58:31 AM »
Sweet stats

https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1573336895882293248?s=46&t=3KdHgIzlJf497iM_r0lqBA

January 4th, 2022. 88-56.

One team won conference 2 months later, the other lost by 30 and had the worst performance in the NCAA tournament after losing every ounce of itself down the stretch.

Defense was poor and rebounding was brutal, but let’s pretend the offense didn’t lose its magic.

Use the eyes, not the numbers

I will accept, acknowledge, and partake in Marquette criticism until i die.

But Providence praise is unacceptable. The eye test for them was horrible, especially when you compared it to  their record. They consistently played Nate Watson despite having a better option on the bench. If you think they were better than UCONN or Nova, you were taking crazy pills.

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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #132 on: September 24, 2022, 10:20:53 AM »
Can we talk about how flawed it is to award a conference championship when teams don't play an equal number of games?

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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #133 on: September 24, 2022, 10:23:28 AM »
I will accept, acknowledge, and partake in Marquette criticism until i die.

But Providence praise is unacceptable. The eye test for them was horrible, especially when you compared it to  their record. They consistently played Nate Watson despite having a better option on the bench. If you think they were better than UCONN or Nova, you were taking crazy pills.

Nova it’d be hard to argue against. Final Four, could’ve won it all if not for injury, beat Providence both games, and finished a half game better than Providence in the standings.

UCONN? Really no argument for them having been better. Providence won the only game between the two (AT UCONN), finished 2 games better than UCONN in the Big East, and made a Sweet Sixteen compared to UCONN’s loss in the 5/12 matchup first round.
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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #134 on: September 24, 2022, 10:24:33 AM »
Can we talk about how flawed it is to award a conference championship when teams don't play an equal number of games?

So just don’t call anyone conference champions for the season?
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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #135 on: September 24, 2022, 10:29:09 AM »
I will accept, acknowledge, and partake in Marquette criticism until i die.

But Providence praise is unacceptable. The eye test for them was horrible, especially when you compared it to  their record. They consistently played Nate Watson despite having a better option on the bench. If you think they were better than UCONN or Nova, you were taking crazy pills.

They won a conference Championship though, which means they deserve praise whether you agree or not.

The coach played who he thought was best, and won a title doing it.

It’s actually more impressive that they won despite being worse than Nova and UConn, in your opinion.

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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #136 on: September 24, 2022, 10:39:50 AM »
Nova it’d be hard to argue against. Final Four, could’ve won it all if not for injury, beat Providence both games, and finished a half game better than Providence in the standings.

UCONN? Really no argument for them having been better. Providence won the only game between the two (AT UCONN), finished 2 games better than UCONN in the Big East, and made a Sweet Sixteen compared to UCONN’s loss in the 5/12 matchup first round.

Providence beat UConn without Sanogo.

They finished 2 games better because providence opted out/had covid for tough games.

New Mexico St was better than South Dakota state and Richmond, the two teams Providence beat.

Simulate the season 10 times and UConn is better than providence at least 7/10 times.

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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #137 on: September 24, 2022, 11:06:12 AM »
Providence beat UConn without Sanogo.

They finished 2 games better because providence opted out/had covid for tough games.

New Mexico St was better than South Dakota state and Richmond, the two teams Providence beat.

Simulate the season 10 times and UConn is better than providence at least 7/10 times.

Games aren’t simulated. They actually played the games.

The games Providence had cancelled were Georgetown (home), Creighton (away, in the middle of a 6-7 stretch for Creighton, beat once and lost to once), UCONN (home, won at their place), and Seton Hall (away, in the middle of a 6-8 stretch, beat them at home).

Al Durham didn’t play in the game at UCONN (Providence’s leading scorer).

Jared Bynum missed 4 games, AJ Reeves missed 5 games.

Providence also took eventual national champion Kansas down to the wire in the Sweet Sixteen.

There’s literally no argument for UCONN having been better than Providence. Well, besides “if you simulate their seasons 10 times, Providence is worse in 7 of them!”  ::)
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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #138 on: September 24, 2022, 11:14:04 AM »
There’s literally no argument for UCONN having been better than Providence. Well, besides “if you simulate their seasons 10 times, Providence is worse in 7 of them!”  ::)

KenPom… #22 UCoNn… #32 Providence

Bart torvik #25 vs. #34

The reality is, put those two teams against each other on a neutral court, and the betting will go to UCONN

In other words, there are strong arguments that say UCONN was the better team

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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #139 on: September 24, 2022, 01:07:42 PM »
KenPom… #22 UCoNn… #32 Providence

Bart torvik #25 vs. #34

The reality is, put those two teams against each other on a neutral court, and the betting will go to UCONN

In other words, there are strong arguments that say UCONN was the better team

There it is. KenPom. Why even play games? The team that was 2 games back in the standings, lost the only head to head matchup (at home), and lost 2 rounds earlier in the Tourney was better because algorithms and math.
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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #140 on: September 24, 2022, 01:12:38 PM »
There it is. KenPom. Why even play games? The team that was 2 games back in the standings, lost the only head to head matchup (at home), and lost 2 rounds earlier in the Tourney was better because algorithms and math.

Providence didn’t have as much talent as UConn/nova but they were really, really good winning close games. Some may call it luck, but it’s a team skill/character trait that isn’t easily quantifiable.


It’s no surprise they were a second weekend team last year.

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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #141 on: September 24, 2022, 01:16:27 PM »
Providence didn’t have as much talent as UConn/nova but they were really, really good winning close games. Some may call it luck, but it’s a team skill/character trait that isn’t easily quantifiable.


It’s no surprise they were a second weekend team last year.

#crapshoot

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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #142 on: September 24, 2022, 05:27:40 PM »
Providence didn’t have as much talent as UConn/nova but they were really, really good winning close games. Some may call it luck, but it’s a team skill/character trait that isn’t easily quantifiable.


It’s no surprise they were a second weekend team last year.

They played Richmond and South Dakota St.

Lets have some perspective.

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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #143 on: September 24, 2022, 05:35:15 PM »
They played Richmond and South Dakota St.

Lets have some perspective.

Meanwhile you try to pimp New Mexico State.  ;D A team who lost to Utah State, New Mexico, Sam Houston (by 25), Utah Valley, Chicago State, and Steven F Austin while their best win (besides UCONN) was…well, I don’t know. Only high major win was Washington State.

Wonder what the 10 season simulations would say about Richmond vs. South Dakota State vs. New Mexico State (a whopping 5 spots separate those teams in the algorithm, which includes New Mexico State’s win over UCONN bumping them up).
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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #144 on: September 24, 2022, 05:46:33 PM »
They played Richmond and South Dakota St.

Lets have some perspective.

Put some respect on the BE champions name

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Re: And Then Along Came Jones?
« Reply #145 on: September 25, 2022, 12:24:48 AM »
Here's Muggsy:

Put on Marquette gear, start a new thread, put gear away.  Get new Marquette gear, put on, start a new thread......repeat.

Yes,  Let’s dis someone who is fired up about the possibilities with MU basketball!

Go back to your mortuary sites and let some one be positive for a while!