Just making sure I've got my MU buckets Mount Rushmore's right

[1SE]

You're crazy if Markus isn't on your college only list.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

You're crazy if Markus isn't on your college only list.

Not even remotely close for mine. Zero tourney wins kinda negates that choice.

[🏀]

The Hausers can open up an ice cream stand outside the mountain.

[dgies9156]

You're crazy if Markus isn't on your college only list.

Gag me.

I liked the guy and he was a great representative of MU, but he is our version of Pete Maravich. All flash and no substance.

We didn’t win with Markus, plain and simple. We don’t carve someone on to Mt. Rushmore unless they win. What are you going to do, put Jefferson Davis on the real one?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Gag me.

I liked the guy and he was a great representative of MU, but he is our version of Pete Maravich. All flash and no substance.

We didn’t win with Markus, plain and simple. We don’t carve someone on to Mt. Rushmore unless they win. What are you going to do, put Jefferson Davis on the real one?

Oh FFS. All flash and no substance?

I’m not putting him on there but gimme a break.

[MU82]

I'm a huge Markus fan, but you gotta make some noise in the postseason to be on Mount Rushmore IMHO.

[JWags85]

Gag me.

I liked the guy and he was a great representative of MU, but he is our version of Pete Maravich. All flash and no substance.

We didn’t win with Markus, plain and simple. We don’t carve someone on to Mt. Rushmore unless they win. What are you going to do, put Jefferson Davis on the real one?

Pete Maravich was NPOY twice, had some very good years in the NBA, and is in the HOF.  He averaged more than 6 rebs and 5 assists at LSU. Not bad for “no substance”.  It’s not his fault his Dad was a bad coach and put terrible teams around him.

….kind of like it’s not Markus’s fault his coach didn’t know how to build an offense around him either.

It’s fine he’s not on Rushmore but acting like a first team AA who was very much in discussion for NPOY was all sizzle and no steak is just beyond foolish

[Hards Alumni]

Gag me.

I liked the guy and he was a great representative of MU, but he is our version of Pete Maravich. All flash and no substance.

We didn’t win with Markus, plain and simple. We don’t carve someone on to Mt. Rushmore unless they win. What are you going to do, put Jefferson Davis on the real one?

lmao, he's our best college player since Wade.

[Skatastrophy]

lmao, he's our best college player since Wade.

Weak high-five game, imo

[Viper]

lmao, he's our best college player since Wade.

100%

[dgies9156]

Marquette's four has to be:

1) Al McGuire
2) Butch Lee
3) Dwyane Wade
4) Bo Ellis

I know lots of you were not born when Lee and Ellis played for us, but think about something ... how hard has it been for Marquette to recapture the magic?

Coach McGuire, Butch and Bo brought the magic to us, period. Markus never even sniffed it. The only two guys not on that list who probably should be are Maurice Lucas and George Thompson.

There's been lots of great player before and after, but no one has done what the four have.... including Markus.

[dgies9156]

Pete Maravich was NPOY twice, had some very good years in the NBA, and is in the HOF.  He averaged more than 6 rebs and 5 assists at LSU. Not bad for “no substance”.  It’s not his fault his Dad was a bad coach and put terrible teams around him.

….kind of like it’s not Markus’s fault his coach didn’t know how to build an offense around him either.

It’s fine he’s not on Rushmore but acting like a first team AA who was very much in discussion for NPOY was all sizzle and no steak is just beyond foolish

When Marquette wins national championships for "great players," let me know.

As Coach McGuire once told the then-version of a five-star recruit, "I'm going to win with you or without you... you decide."

A player is no steak until our team wins. Period. End of story.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Marquette's four has to be:

1) Al McGuire
2) Butch Lee
3) Dwyane Wade
4) Bo Ellis

I know lots of you were not born when Lee and Ellis played for us, but think about something ... how hard has it been for Marquette to recapture the magic?

Coach McGuire, Butch and Bo brought the magic to us, period. Markus never even sniffed it. The only two guys not on that list who probably should be are Maurice Lucas and George Thompson.

There's been lots of great player before and after, but no one has done what the four have.... including Markus.

No one stated he should be there. Your statement that he was “all flash and no substance” is what people are trashing.

[dgies9156]

No one stated he should be there. Your statement that he was “all flash and no substance” is what people are trashing.

Sister Clarissa:

I stand by my point. All flash means they didn't win anything.

As Coach Lombardi once said, "Winning isn't everything... it's the only thing."

[JWags85]

Sister Clarissa:

I stand by my point. All flash means they didn't win anything.

As Coach Lombardi once said, "Winning isn't everything... it's the only thing."

Charles Barkley was all flash.  So was John Stockton and Steve Nash. No substance to any of them

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Sister Clarissa:

I stand by my point. All flash means they didn't win anything.

As Coach Lombardi once said, "Winning isn't everything... it's the only thing."

So the only reason Wade is on your list is because of the 2003 CUSA regular season championship?

[Eye]

An argument can certainly be made that Howard has been MU's best individual player in the last 19 seasons. I'd also argue the best two-year stretch for an individual in that span was Crowder, and the second-best two-year stretch was McNeal's last two years.

[dgies9156]

So the only reason Wade is on your list is because of the 2003 CUSA regular season championship?

Sister Clarissa:

Marquette managed something under Dwyane Wade we had not accomplished in 26 years -- we reached the Final Four. To do that, we had to knock off Kentucky, Pittsburgh, Missouri and Holy Cross. We were one of the four best teams in College Basketball. DWade was the catalyst that made that happen.

I would note that it has been 19 years since that happened and we haven't been anywhere near the Final Four, other than one year where we got knocked out in the Elite 8.

Now let's look at Markus' record as a leader of our team. Again, a great young man and a good ballplayer. But we never won a single NCAA game during his tenure at Marquette. Ever.

What separates Michael Jordan from Charles Barkley is that Michael made the Bulls better. His talent and his competitive spirit drove people, some of whom were mediocre talent, to push beyond their limits. Same for Butch and Bo. Same for DWade. That's what makes these people steak rather than a flash in the pan.

[Uncle Rico]

Sister Clarissa:

Marquette managed something under Dwyane Wade we had not accomplished in 26 years -- we reached the Final Four. To do that, we had to knock off Kentucky, Pittsburgh, Missouri and Holy Cross. We were one of the four best teams in College Basketball. DWade was the catalyst that made that happen.

I would note that it has been 19 years since that happened and we haven't been anywhere near the Final Four, other than one year where we got knocked out in the Elite 8.

Now let's look at Markus' record as a leader of our team. Again, a great young man and a good ballplayer. But we never won a single NCAA game during his tenure at Marquette. Ever.

What separates Michael Jordan from Charles Barkley is that Michael made the Bulls better. His talent and his competitive spirit drove people, some of whom were mediocre talent, to push beyond their limits. Same for Butch and Bo. Same for DWade. That's what makes these people steak rather than a flash in the pan.

Devil’s Advocate: Barkley made the Suns a lot better but had Jordan’s Bulls in his way

[Viper]

I'm not trying to disrespect George Thompson, truly, but Butch Lee was a 2x AA (not honorable mention) and NPOY and also led Marquette to a title and was a top 10 draft pick.  Wade was in the discussion for NPOY, a first team AA, and carried the team to a F4.  They were both among the 2-3 best players in college basketball their final years.  Thompson never was.

there’s a reason why Al called George Thompson ‘brute force’. George Thompson is a founding father of Marquette basketball, imo.

[Hards Alumni]

Sister Clarissa:

Marquette managed something under Dwyane Wade we had not accomplished in 26 years -- we reached the Final Four. To do that, we had to knock off Kentucky, Pittsburgh, Missouri and Holy Cross. We were one of the four best teams in College Basketball. DWade was the catalyst that made that happen.

I would note that it has been 19 years since that happened and we haven't been anywhere near the Final Four, other than one year where we got knocked out in the Elite 8.

Now let's look at Markus' record as a leader of our team. Again, a great young man and a good ballplayer. But we never won a single NCAA game during his tenure at Marquette. Ever.

What separates Michael Jordan from Charles Barkley is that Michael made the Bulls better. His talent and his competitive spirit drove people, some of whom were mediocre talent, to push beyond their limits. Same for Butch and Bo. Same for DWade. That's what makes these people steak rather than a flash in the pan.

This is a stupid argument.  Markus didn't choose his teammates or his coach.

[GoldenEagles03]

lmao, he's our best college player since Wade.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaa. No he's not.

Jae Crowder.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaa. No he's not.

Jae Crowder.

Markus was a better college player than Jae.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

This is a stupid argument.  Markus didn't choose his teammates or his coach.

He did choose his coach, but I get your point.

[panda]

Markus was a better college player than Jae.

Both were exceptional, but it's hard to argue with the team results Jae was a part of. Gotta give Jae the nod.