St John's

[Afroman]

I haven't seen this elsewhere. If I missed it, my apologies.

Is the St. John's game from Dec. 29 going to be made up?

Will Providence have to make up three games?

[PGsHeroes32]

There is only one possible date that could work for a make up, I believe per people smarter than me they said its February 10th.

No news yet.

Personally hoping we don't. And honestly doubt Shaka is rushing to make it happen. It may be more likely to get made up if the Johnnies have other games around that time cancelled due to Rona with their opponents

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Tower posted this article yesterday on the topic.  Worth reading.

https://www.vuhoops.com/2022/1/18/22888909/villanova-basketball-big-east-regular-season-champions

[Afroman]

Thank you. I must have missed that.

[PJDunn]

Easy to miss things when one is hanging out in Palmdale.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I have zero interest in playing St. John’s at Carnesecca.

That game has little benefit to MU.

[barfolomew]

Hold on, are we talking about St. John's (NY)?

[VanderBlueFanClub]

I have zero interest in playing St. John’s at Carnesecca.

That game has little benefit to MU.

Yeah, I would like to keep our losses to a minimum.

[Uncle Rico]

Marquette shouldn’t be afraid to play at St. John’s

[MU82]

Marquette shouldn’t be afraid to play at St. John’s

Al wouldn't have been afraid.

[NCMUFan]

Exactly, picking and choosing only games you think you will win doesn't sound like you have much confidence in your team.

[PGsHeroes32]

Exactly, picking and choosing only games you think you will win doesn't sound like you have much confidence in your team.

Its not a lack of confidence.

It's the simple fact that playing the game is a higher risk than it is a reward. We don't need to play 20 conference games this year to reach any goal

[NCMUFan]

I personally like to watch Marquette play as much as possible.
So another game I could watch would be a thumbs up for me.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Al wouldn't have been afraid.

Right, from what I've been told he would have punched St. Johns in the face and told it to go pro.

[BrewCity83]

A bare knuckle punch.

[mug644]

Having just won at Villanova’s impenetrable on-campus court, I think this might be the year that I’m all for playing St. John’s on Carneseca’s court.

Bring it on!

[MU82]

Right, from what I've been told he would have punched St. Johns in the face and told it to go pro.

Exactly. And then he would have hugged Hank around the neck while he wept on the bench.

[Scoop Snoop]

Its not a lack of confidence.

It's the simple fact that playing the game is a higher risk than it is a reward. We don't need to play 20 conference games this year to reach any goal

This is where I am at, but the opposing arguments from some here are valid. Are we scared to risk a loss to St. Johns? As I stated in other threads, I would like to see us schedule an OOC game in lieu of St. Johns. VCU in Milwaukee is my pick.

[#UnleashSean]

Having just won at Villanova’s impenetrable on-campus court, I think this might be the year that I’m all for playing St. John’s on Carneseca’s court.

Bring it on!

Honestly that stat was so dumb. Uhhh ya you guys are really good when you only play perceived weak opponents who will not fill out the other arena...

[bilsu]

How are you going to compete in NCAA tournament, if you are afraid of playing at St. John's? The more tough games you play the better off you are. The only risk would be that losing the game would cost you a bid and right now it would take more than a loss at St. John's to cost us an NCAA tourney bid.

[UWW2MU]

I personally like to watch Marquette play as much as possible.
So another game I could watch would be a thumbs up for me.

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This, right here!   

My number 1 reason for following the team and being a fan is because I enjoy watching the games.  I had always assumed that was the same for most fans... but then again that does explain a lot of reactions people have at times.   

[MU82]

If we play at St. John's, great. I'll be happy to watch us win.

If we play a different team, great. I'll be happy to watch us win.

If we don't play a 31st game, I understand, and it doesn't really affect me.

It's all good!

[CountryRoads]

I have zero interest in playing St. John’s at Carnesecca.

That game has little benefit to MU.

I’m all for more games and like the attitude of “not afraid to play anyone”, but this game has zero benefit to Marquette. It can only hurt our chances for a bid. Pretty much equivalent to a buy game level benefit.

St Johns sucks but they will play us very tough on their home floor. Pass…

[We R Final Four]

I’m all for more games and like the attitude of “not afraid to play anyone”, but this game has zero benefit to Marquette. It can only hurt our chances for a bid. Pretty much equivalent to a buy game level benefit.

St Johns sucks but they will play us very tough on their home floor. Pass…

Exactly. It’s not about being “afraid”, it’s about maximizing our position.

[PGsHeroes32]

I’m all for more games and like the attitude of “not afraid to play anyone”, but this game has zero benefit to Marquette. It can only hurt our chances for a bid. Pretty much equivalent to a buy game level benefit.

St Johns sucks but they will play us very tough on their home floor. Pass…

Yeah I’m sure not gonna have a meltdown if we do make the game up.

But not wanting the game isn’t about fear. It’s simply seeing the lack of benefit towards the long term goal. Which is make the tourney with the best seed possible.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

While I'd like to see the game made up because I enjoy watching Marquette basketball, it is sort of an all risk, no gain situation.  That said, me thinks its not up to Marquette whether this game gets played or not.

At the end of the day, Marquette just needs to find a way to 10 BE wins and they're not getting left out on selection sunday.  Whether that is 10-9 without the SJU game, or 10-10 with it.  Doesn't really matter.  That @Nova win is gold. crap, 9-10 might even get it done at this point.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I get what people are saying about St. John's being more risk than reward, they aren't wrong. But at this point, I expect to be playing for seeding, not whether or not we make the dance. Another Q2 win could come in handy.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I get what people are saying about St. John's being more risk than reward, they aren't wrong. But at this point, I expect to be playing for seeding, not whether or not we make the dance. Another Q2 win could come in handy.

My only thing is MU has been relatively untouched by COVID. Maybe a bit lucky so far. Jamming in more travel and less days between games on short notice and with a short roster is not worth the risk.

[Herman Cain]

In theory the Johnnies should be pushing to re-schedule this game. An opportunity for a quality win for them.

[The Equalizer]

While I'd like to see the game made up because I enjoy watching Marquette basketball, it is sort of an all risk, no gain situation.  That said, me thinks its not up to Marquette whether this game gets played or not.

At the end of the day, Marquette just needs to find a way to 10 BE wins and they're not getting left out on selection sunday.  Whether that is 10-9 without the SJU game, or 10-10 with it.  Doesn't really matter.  That @Nova win is gold. crap, 9-10 might even get it done at this point.

In general, since the restructuring of the Big East, 10-10 or 10-9 hasn't been sufficient on its own, unless it's coupled with a first-round BET win.

11-9 is almost always good enough with or without a BET win, and it's been rare for a sub .500 team to make it as an at-large team.

I think the bottom line is that if we believe our body of work is iffy enough that we think we need a win at St. Johns to make the tournament, we're almost certainly going to be knocked out of the NCAAs with a loss. 

[BM1090]

My only thing is MU has been relatively untouched by COVID. Maybe a bit lucky so far. Jamming in more travel and less days between games on short notice and with a short roster is not worth the risk.

MU could obviously run into COVID issues, but the team being fully vaccinated and only testing when symptomatic makes it less likely.

[Uncle Rico]

In theory the Johnnies should be pushing to re-schedule this game. An opportunity for a quality win for them.

It would help them possible get a home game in the NIT

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

In general, since the restructuring of the Big East, 10-10 or 10-9 hasn't been sufficient on its own, unless it's coupled with a first-round BET win.

11-9 is almost always good enough with or without a BET win, and it's been rare for a sub .500 team to make it as an at-large team.

I think the bottom line is that if we believe our body of work is iffy enough that we think we need a win at St. Johns to make the tournament, we're almost certainly going to be knocked out of the NCAAs with a loss.

I mean, 11-9, 10-10 and 10-9 have only been possible for one year. Prior to last year we were doing an 18 game conference schedule. Here are the actual results since realignment:

10-8: 1 out, 13 in (93%)
10-9: 2 out, 0 in (0%)
10-10: Hasn't happened yet
9-9: 4 in, 6 out (40%)
9-10: 1 out, 0 in (0%)
8-10: 2 out, 2 in (50%)

Reality is, conference games aren't any more valuable on a tournament resume than non-conference games. You can get in with an 8-10 conference record if you had a great non-conference record or if the Big East as a whole had a great non-conference record. You could be left out at .500 if the Big East is down. 3 of the 6 teams that didn't make it with .500 records happened in 2018-2019 where the Big East as whole was down. But generally if you have at least 10 wins in the Big East, that's 10 wins against quality competition and that's a big boost to any resume.

[JakeBarnes]

Found this proposal novel at least. Still don't think we should play the game so the team can get a little rest (and the lack of a benefit to us, unless we need it to win the conference or something)

From a St John's fan:

We end the regular season at Marquette on the 5th.

Big East Tournament starts the 9th.

This should be an easy reschedule. Let us host Marquette in Queens on the 7th.

We all flying back to New York anyway.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

There is no way Shaka is going to want to play SJU two days before the conference tournament.

[JakeBarnes]

There is no way Shaka is going to want to play SJU two days before the conference tournament.

I agree. Just thought it was an amusing thought and I am bored.

[Galway Eagle]

There is no way Shaka is going to want to play SJU two days before the conference tournament.

Only reason to do that is if a BE title is within grasp in which case we aren't playing the first day anyways.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

There is no way Shaka is going to want to play SJU two days before the conference tournament.

Its not going to be up to Shaka.

But the BE wouldn't do that.

[Scoop Snoop]

Its not going to be up to Shaka.

But the BE wouldn't do that.

I hope you are correct. It would be really unfair to be saddled with having to play a game that close to the BET when the other teams rest and practice. I'm still not sure what was behind the SH/SJ game besides Aiken being out (just not enough to account for what happened). How much was SH playing poorly and how much was SJ playing well? SJ has the potential to explode in every so many games and I really hope that the possibility of a rematch in NYC is off the table soon.

[mug644]

I don't see what I was looking for (someone had done a nice write-up of reschedule options across the BEast), so putting this here...

Is this the week that was flagged as the only likely time for the MU-St. John's game to be rescheduled (assuming/knowing that it can't/won't be done just days before the BEast tourney)?

So, can we presume confidently that it won't be played?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

IIRC, Brew said that February 10th was the only reasonable option for a St. John's reschedule. With no announcement yet, seems like it will just be cancelled.

[mug644]

IIRC, Brew said that February 10th was the only reasonable option for a St. John's reschedule. With no announcement yet, seems like it will just be cancelled.

Thanks. Sure does seem like is should've been announced by now, if it is going to happen.

[MU24]

The Big East forcing a rematch would be kind of crapty. Providence got a huge benefit to scheduling when they didnt play 3 games. They have one of the easiest schedules in the Big East. Making MU play a postponed game would be two-faced.

[94Warrior]

Thanks. Sure does seem like is should've been announced by now, if it is going to happen.

Maybe we could just play a doubleheader on Sr Day at the Fiserv.  That would be fun!

[LAZER]

Maybe we could just play a doubleheader on Sr Day at the Fiserv.  That would be fun!

The MVC did this last year where they'd play the same team twice on back-to-back days.

[brewcity77]

IIRC, Brew said that February 10th was the only reasonable option for a St. John's reschedule. With no announcement yet, seems like it will just be cancelled.

February 10th is the only date that meets league requirements, but it would put St. John's on back-to-back weeks with 3 games, so the only way that happens is if one of the Johnnies next three games are cancelled (at GT on Thursday, at Butler on Saturday, vs Nova on Tuesday). Even then, it would probably need a little notice to happen, so I'd guess it would have to be one of the first two that get cancelled.

[mug644]

MU is one of only two teams that will have played 12 games thru tonight. And Georgetown will have played just 8. It's clear that there will be an unbalanced schedule, and so why force teams to continue to expand the number of games they play (in the case of MU) or compress their schedule with 5 or 6 games within two weeks (which could be the case for St. John's)? It would inevitably inequitable, unequivocally unequal. Why not just let the chips fall where they may, with hopefully all remaining scheduled games get played.

I just don't see grounds for the league insist the game be played, and I doubt that both MU and St. John's will push for it to happen.

(Brew, I don't mean to imply that you are advocating for the game to happen.)

[MUFC9295]

Can anyone confirm the time for the SJU game 5-Mar at FF?   I see TBD all over, but the FF site has 7pm. 

[We R Final Four]

No time confirmed yet.
Choices include:
11 or 130 or 4 on Fox OR
6 or 8 on FS1.
7 pm Milwaukee time is not an option.

[forgetful]

The BE should just have every team play a makeup game in Queens on the 7th.

Full extra day of games. Might get some fans to fly out early.

[MU82]

No time confirmed yet.
Choices include:
11 or 130 or 4 on Fox OR
6 or 8 on FS1.
7 pm Milwaukee time is not an option.

Nice that they have it narrowed down!

[Mr. Nielsen]

Nice that they have it narrowed down!

That's been out since September. It's wild card scheduling for the Big East on the final day of the regular season.