Two takes on Smart after non-con

[The Scat]

It has to be hard to recruit when you have 10 freshman on the roster.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Brew gets it.

I'd also add that while many more coaches are going to start to take the Hoiberg/Musselman/Beard approach and reassemble their rosters every season,  I think there will be a premium on coaches who can keep the majority of their rosters intact from year to year. I think we have one of those coaches

[Herman Cain]

Brew gets it.

I'd also add that while many more coaches are going to start to take the Hoiberg/Musselman/Beard approach and reassemble their rosters every season,  I think there will be a premium on coaches who can keep the majority of their rosters intact from year to year. I think we have one of those coaches

Basketball is a team sport . Have as much continuity as possible really builds that cohesion . I like our coaches philosophy of relationship building. I think it will help in that regard

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Brew gets it.

I'd also add that while many more coaches are going to start to take the Hoiberg/Musselman/Beard approach and reassemble their rosters every season,  I think there will be a premium on coaches who can keep the majority of their rosters intact from year to year. I think we have one of those coaches

Why though, other than blind optimism?  There is very little reason to believe Shaka will be able to hold this group of freshman (eligibility wise) together.  Guys will transfer, other will "go pro".  Maybe most of them. Its the way of the game and Shaka is no different than any other coach in that regard.   

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Why though, other than blind optimism?  There is very little reason to believe Shaka will be able to hold this group of freshman (eligibility wise) together.  Guys will transfer, other will "go pro".  Maybe most of them. Its the way of the game and Shaka is no different than any other coach in that regard.

1. His record with transfers at Texas. Very very few transfers out.
2. Literally every person I have talked to who has spoken to Smart and the players has said the same thing. His strength and emphasis as a coach is relationship building and he's got every guy bought in 110%.
3. He certainly says all the right things in public

Yes, there will be transfers. No way 9 "freshmen" stick it out for all four years. But if only 2-4 of that group transfer out over the next 4 years and they are guys who were at the back of the rotation any way, that's 5-7 quality players who will end up playing literal hundreds of games together and thousands of practice hours together. That kind of experience and cohesion can win you a lot of games.

[MU82]

I'm confident Shaka will keep our best young players for multiple seasons.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

1. His record with transfers at Texas. Very very few transfers out.
2. Literally every person I have talked to who has spoken to Smart and the players has said the same thing. His strength and emphasis as a coach is relationship building and he's got every guy bought in 110%.
3. He certainly says all the right things in public

Yes, there will be transfers. No way 9 "freshmen" stick it out for all four years. But if only 2-4 of that group transfer out over the next 4 years and they are guys who were at the back of the rotation any way, that's 5-7 quality players who will end up playing literal hundreds of games together and thousands of practice hours together. That kind of experience and cohesion can win you a lot of games.

Every guy may have bought in, until people get in their ear and tell them they can play more elsewhere.  With immediate eligibility, I don't see too many guys spending 4 years in one place.  Whether that is at Marquette or elsewhere.  This core of young guys is exciting - I like the upside.  But I don't expect many of them to be around in 4 years.  Part of the reason why I was less excited about Shaka's offseason than most because building a culture is important, but less so than really any other time in CBB history.  Rosters will be rebuilt annually.  Transfers rates are only going to increase with the new rules and once covid stuff gets further in the rearview.   

[Jay Bee]

We need to boost the Scoop NIL Fund & start getting cash 2 these guys.

[MarquetteDano]

Every guy may have bought in, until people get in their ear and tell them they can play more elsewhere.  With immediate eligibility, I don't see too many guys spending 4 years in one place.  Whether that is at Marquette or elsewhere.  This core of young guys is exciting - I like the upside.  But I don't expect many of them to be around in 4 years.  Part of the reason why I was less excited about Shaka's offseason than most because building a culture is important, but less so than really any other time in CBB history.  Rosters will be rebuilt annually.  Transfers rates are only going to increase with the new rules and once covid stuff gets further in the rearview.

All sadly true. One of things I liked about college bball is there was rarely a "rent-a-player" vibe. They would either get their degree or leave early to pros. Now if someone stays 4 years it  will be the exception.

[brewcity77]

Why though, other than blind optimism?  There is very little reason to believe Shaka will be able to hold this group of freshman (eligibility wise) together.  Guys will transfer, other will "go pro".  Maybe most of them. Its the way of the game and Shaka is no different than any other coach in that regard.

The reason why is because historically, he's better than other coaches in that regard. Immediate eligibility could change that, but over the years he's had higher than average retention rates than we've seen here at Marquette even as transfers nationally have escalated.

https://http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/11/shakas-past-and-marquette-rosters-future.html?m=1

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Every guy may have bought in, until people get in their ear and tell them they can play more elsewhere.  With immediate eligibility, I don't see too many guys spending 4 years in one place.  Whether that is at Marquette or elsewhere.  This core of young guys is exciting - I like the upside.  But I don't expect many of them to be around in 4 years.  Part of the reason why I was less excited about Shaka's offseason than most because building a culture is important, but less so than really any other time in CBB history.  Rosters will be rebuilt annually.  Transfers rates are only going to increase with the new rules and once covid stuff gets further in the rearview.

Transfers will go up. For some coaches more than others.  I'm confident we will have less than most

[GB Warrior]

We need to boost the Scoop NIL Fund & start getting cash 2 these guys.

I propose immediate reinvestment of all Scoop dues to support our team.

[MU82]

Going forward, a major part of recruiting will be recruiting one's own players -- the guys a coach really wants to keep, anyway.

The Charlotte Observer had an article this morning about how the UNC-Charlotte football team fared on national signing day. It included this:

In addition to the new faces, Healy touted the recruiting job he and his staff have done of keeping current players on the roster.

“I was told that there were two schools in the country that didn’t have a (scholarship) guy in the portal, and that’s us and Georgia,” Healy said. “Retaining players is extremely important to me. We’ve got to recruit our own as well.”[/b]

Like TAMU, I think we have a coach who will do far better than most at "recruiting our own" in this new Freedom of Movement Era of major-college sports.

[rocky_warrior]

I propose immediate reinvestment of all Scoop dues to support our team.

Hm, I'm gonna need to unload about 3000 yards of dirt to someone for $$$. And they're gonna need a barge & tugboat to pick it up. 

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Transfers will go up. For some coaches more than others.  I'm confident we will have less than most

Still getting a lot of blind optimism vibes here, but fair enough.  Hope you're right, at least as it pertains to good players.  I don't give two craps if a guy that can't hack it leaves and Shaka replaces with a better player.  Such is life in big boy athletics.

[goldeneagle91114]

It will be interesting to see the recruiting process in the future.
If transfers don't need to sit out a year, and you have playing time available it may be a desirable option.
I guess in the future, Marquette teams may look similar to this year.
Many new faces that never played together.
Maybe the new successful coach model/style will be how fast can you get a bunch of new players to play cohesively together.

A perfect example of this is what TJ Otzelberger has done at IA state.

the Cyclones were 2-22 overall, 0-18 in the Big XII. In addition, they had losing records in 3 of their last 4 seasons and haven't had much basketball relevance since Hoiberg Left.

...enter Otz, They're now 10-0 and ranked 11th in the country. They're doing it with an roster that was created completely from the Transfer Portal.

This is not only a fantastic turn around, but it shocking how fast it can happened

[JakeBarnes]

A perfect example of this is what TJ Otzelberger has done at IA state.

the Cyclones were 2-22 overall, 0-18 in the Big XII. In addition, they had losing records in 3 of their last 4 seasons and haven't had much basketball relevance since Hoiberg Left.

...enter Otz, They're now 10-0 and ranked 11th in the country. They're doing it with an roster that was created completely from the Transfer Portal.

This is not only a fantastic turn around, but it shocking how fast it can happened

Part of the reason TJO was on my short list for the offseason. Still happier we got Shaka, but TJO's time recruiting at Iowa State prepared him for the transfer portal world for sure.

[panda]

A perfect example of this is what TJ Otzelberger has done at IA state.

the Cyclones were 2-22 overall, 0-18 in the Big XII. In addition, they had losing records in 3 of their last 4 seasons and haven't had much basketball relevance since Hoiberg Left.

...enter Otz, They're now 10-0 and ranked 11th in the country. They're doing it with an roster that was created completely from the Transfer Portal.

This is not only a fantastic turn around, but it shocking how fast it can happened

New age of college hoops. Long term roster construction is not a requisite for success anymore.

[MU82]

New age of college hoops. Long term roster construction is not a requisite for success anymore.

No, but signing good recruits and then re-recruiting them to stay will still be a major contributor to long-term success. Because it's a lot easier to fill a couple of spots than start from scratch every year.

Still getting a lot of blind optimism vibes here, but fair enough.  Hope you're right, at least as it pertains to good players.  I don't give two craps if a guy that can't hack it leaves and Shaka replaces with a better player.  Such is life in big boy athletics.

Well, TAMU did show some stats to explain why it's a little more than "blind optimism."

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

No, but signing good recruits and then re-recruiting them to stay will still be a major contributor to long-term success. Because it's a lot easier to fill a couple of spots than start from scratch every year.

Well, TAMU did show some stats to explain why it's a little more than "blind optimism."

Transfer stats from other schools (where he was recruiting very different players) and from previous to immediately eligible transfers are frankly irrelevant. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Transfer stats from other schools (where he was recruiting very different players) and from previous to immediately eligible transfers are frankly irrelevant.

Irrelevant? No. Far from conclusive, absolutely.

[MU82]

It's like a stock's past performance. No, it shouldn't be looked at as proof that something will happen in the future. But it might be indicative of a trend.

But yes, I do tend to try to look at Marquette basketball from the optimist's side. The opposite -- always beyotching, venting, getting worked up over hypothetical situations, etc -- is pretty unappealing.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

It's like a stock's past performance. No, it shouldn't be looked at as proof that something will happen in the future. But it might be indicative of a trend.

But yes, I do tend to try to look at Marquette basketball from the optimist's side. The opposite -- always beyotching, venting, getting worked up over hypothetical situations, etc -- is pretty unappealing.

Fair enough.  I am generally right there with you.  Wasn't and still not a big believer in this particular squad, but think the future is definitely much brighter than whatever road Wojo has us on.  I just want to watching a team that dances most season, as do all (well, most) of us. 

But I also don't sit here thinking Marquette is going to be immune from mass transfers that are sure to be an annual occurrence nationwide just because Shaka had better than average transfer rates at Texas and TAMU heard "guys are buying in".  It all changes when people get in teenagers years about greener pastures when they aren't pleased with their current playing time/prospects for the future,etc.

[MU82]

Fair enough.  I am generally right there with you.  Wasn't and still not a big believer in this particular squad, but think the future is definitely much brighter than whatever road Wojo has us on.  I just want to watching a team that dances most season, as do all (well, most) of us. 

But I also don't sit here thinking Marquette is going to be immune from mass transfers that are sure to be an annual occurrence nationwide just because Shaka had better than average transfer rates at Texas and TAMU heard "guys are buying in".  It all changes when people get in teenagers years about greener pastures when they aren't pleased with their current playing time/prospects for the future,etc.

I don't think TAMU said MU was "immune." He (and I) just feels good about our coach being able to keep most of the athletes he wants to keep. The beautiful thing is we'll get to see soon enough!

[BCHoopster]

You are all forgetting these scholarships are only for one year, not four. Hate to say it but kids sometimes are asked to leave, or the coach says, you probably will not play much the following year, you might as well look for a new opportunity.  I can see it happening after the season.