No Respect! Marquette picked 9th in Big East Pre-Season Poll

[Uncle Rico]

Marquette picked 9th in pre-season Big East poll

https://twitter.com/bigeastmbb/status/1450438832810127361?s=21

[tower912]

It is as it should be.
No returning established scorers.
Biggest name transfers are known for their defense
Nearly total roster turnover.
Lots of 3 star recruits.

It is possible that Coach Smart catches lightning in a bottle.   But viewed without the blue and gold goggles, why should more be expected.

[brewcity77]

Counterpoint: Before even playing a game, Shaka is picked to finish ahead of the defending Big East champions. Give the man a raise.

[4everwarriors]

Hoo gives a chit? Fad as eye no, da game iz played on da court. Watt due sports righters no anywaze, aina?

[The Lens]

It is as it should be.
No returning established scorers.
Biggest name transfers are known for their defense
Nearly total roster turnover.
Lots of 3 star recruits.

It is possible that Coach Smart catches lightning in a bottle.   But viewed without the blue and gold goggles, why should more be expected.

You may need some reeducation post Wojo, but defense is half of the game.  Additionally good defense can turn into easy offense.

[Scoop Snoop]

I'm glad I already had my morning coffee. I would have spilled it on my keyboard. Was not expecting much love from the BE coaches but just barely edging Georgetown? The national sportswriters' forecasts did not bother me but the BE one stings. I was hoping for 7th but at least 8th- not barely escaping 10th. 

[tower912]

You may need some reeducation post Wojo, but defense is half of the game.  Additionally good defense can turn into easy offense.

Absolutely.  I hope it does.   I miss  watching the team force turnovers and turn it into points.

[Warrior of Law]

I'll miss Cain.  Theo's 4 years were up already, Garcia was going to be a one-and-done, and Carton didn't want to be in college anymore, so these were known goners. Coach Smart did the best job possible in keeping some of the talent coming in. All things considered, this will be a fun roster with low expectations and hopefully plenty of surprises.  A lot like the 90-91 season when MU took on some big dogs (Duke, Kansas, Michigan, OK State, etc) with a young team, lost a few by a lot, but set the foundation for nice run.

[muwarrior69]

I would have picked us last as I have no idea how this team will perform on the court. Low expectations, yes; but hope I'm surprised. Also, respect is earned.

[Scoop Snoop]

I would have picked us last as I have no idea how this team will perform on the court. Low expectations, yes; but hope I'm surprised. Also, respect is earned.

And what idea do you have of how DePaul will perform on the court?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Hoo gives a chit? Fad as eye no, da game iz played on da court. Watt due sports righters no anywaze, aina?

These rankings were made by the BE coaches,  not sports writers. They probably know something about basketball

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Honestly,  was expecting 10th. On paper, we are the second worst team in the conference. Fortunately, the game isn't played on paper.

[MU82]

These rankings were made by the BE coaches,  not sports writers. They probably know something about basketball

Doc Dribble nevver letz fax gett inn hiz weigh. Dump Giannis' azz, an de rest o da smoes, 2!

[4everwarriors]

Throw Yelich in da all gone machine two while yo add it, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

These rankings were made by the BE coaches,  not sports writers. They probably know something about basketball

None of them coached with or against Al McGuire, so their opinions still don’t matter

[Herman Cain]

I see Nova and U Conn at the top of the conference . Based on evaluating the rest of the teams, I continue to believe MU has a shot at the 3rd spot.

I like what our 5 experienced players bring to the table and I think the two experienced reserve's will add some athleticism.   One of the freshman will emerge as Big East ready. Collectively that is enough to compete.

I am putting a high weighting on the three Super Seniors, because each brings one Very Good Skill Set ( A rim protector, A defender and a 3 Point Shooter). Maybe Coaches, Press and MU Fans don't view them as positively as I do which of course would lead to a much lower pre season ranking.

[MuggsyB]

We'll be okay MU hoops peeps.  Don't get distraught over a poll.  Our time will come and much sooner than people realize.  Book it.

[bilsu]

Creighton, DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette and St. John's only have three players returning.
St John's clearly has the best three players returning.
Creighton of these five teams has the best group of incoming players.

[Goose]

Muggsy, I am with you 100%. I cannot wait for the season to get started.

[muwarrior69]

And what idea do you have of how DePaul will perform on the court?

OK, we split our season with DePaul and are tied for last. Feel better?

[muwarrior69]

These rankings were made by the BE coaches,  not sports writers. They probably know something about basketball

...and the ability of our players to play as well.

[Scoop Snoop]

OK, we split our season with DePaul and are tied for last. Feel better?

Oh no no no! DePaul has clearly earned the respect that you said Marquette needed to earn. Their stellar BE record over the years earns them the respect to be above Marquette, which is where you placed them.

[Billy Hoyle]

Marquette picked 9th in pre-season Big East poll

https://twitter.com/bigeastmbb/status/1450438832810127361?s=21

no reason to play the season now. The pre-season polls are always accurate.

[dgies9156]

I see Nova and U Conn at the top of the conference . Based on evaluating the rest of the teams, I continue to believe MU has a shot at the 3rd spot.

I like what our 5 experienced players bring to the table and I think the two experienced reserve's will add some athleticism.   One of the freshman will emerge as Big East ready. Collectively that is enough to compete.

I am putting a high weighting on the three Super Seniors, because each brings one Very Good Skill Set ( A rim protector, A defender and a 3 Point Shooter). Maybe Coaches, Press and MU Fans don't view them as positively as I do which of course would lead to a much lower pre season ranking.

Brother Herm:

Damn straight. The prediction will be great bulletin board material to motivate our team.

I don't know what we have, but the notion that we can do no better than DePaul is nuts. I do hope when coaches deveop game plans for us, they use the same nonsense that they did when we were ranked 9th by the league's coaches.

I'm betting third to fifth and a reasonable chance at the NCAA.

[tower912]

Shaka at Big East media day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9BUxYTHi8k

[naginiF]

Shaka at Big East media day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9BUxYTHi8k

When you look like Matt Foley I guess you've got to own it.

Also, good loose interview.

[ATL MU Warrior]

When you look like Matt Foley I guess you've got to own it.

Also, good loose interview.

Beat me to it. Dead ringer

[Shooter McGavin]

Great interview.  Great personality.  Seems like a great guy.  Hopefully we have some success on the court and he’s here for the next 20 years.

[Billy Hoyle]

When you look like Matt Foley I guess you've got to own it.

Also, good loose interview.

So you've got Matt Foley on the right and Abed Nadir in the middle. MU representing!

[Mu8891]

I’m hoping for / expecting better then
9th place.  That would be a failure.

SS assembled a decent/ good roster.
It’s young, but still has 3 Sr.s   I think
middle of the pack 5th 6th 7th is reasonable

[zcg2013]

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2021/10/19/marquettes-defense-has-talent-darryl-morsell-and-kur-kuath/8520422002/

Morsell also thinks 9th is laughable. Good article, as always, by Ben.

[Galway Eagle]

Seems weird he didn't take Elliott with. Does that imply Elliott is gonna be around next year or at least still playing CBB?

[Dr. Blackheart]

Seems weird he didn't take Elliott with. Does that imply Elliott is gonna be around next year or at least still playing CBB?

Shaka said he took the guys with no eligibility left after this season.

[BrewCity83]

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2021/10/19/marquettes-defense-has-talent-darryl-morsell-and-kur-kuath/8520422002/

Morsell also thinks 9th is laughable. Good article, as always, by Ben.

My favorite morsel from Morsell:  "I been around a lot of good teams and this team is going to be good."

[tower912]

I hope he is right.

[MUDPT]

Seems weird he didn't take Elliott with. Does that imply Elliott is gonna be around next year or at least still playing CBB?

Elliott was announced as a Junior at Marquette madness.

[Galway Eagle]

Elliott was announced as a Junior at Marquette madness.

Noticed that as well. Forgot about it but did notice

[Johnny B]

not like the players are gonna say the team is bad

[Galway Eagle]

not like the players are gonna say the team is bad

Can you imagine the senior leader that transferred here "yeah you know this is a rebuilding year, hopefully we can compete with the likes of UCONN and Nova"

[rocky_warrior]

"we think there's a semi-decent chance to win some games against DePaul and Georgetown this year, maybe some mid-majors too"

[jfp61]

This team doesnt need to be a "rebuilding team" it is just going to take alot of players to hit the ground running off transfers, which is just something that typically doesnt happen

[Uncle Rico]

My favorite morsel from Morsell:  "I been around a lot of good teams and this team is going to be good."

He played for Mark Turgeon.  He’s probably in shock from playing for a good coach

[panda]

not like the players are gonna say the team is bad

Correct, but they also wouldn’t come out and say what Morsell said either. We’ll be a middle of the pack BE team and should challenge for an NCAA bid.

[MuggsyB]

My favorite morsel from Morsell:  "I been around a lot of good teams and this team is going to be good."

Bam.  It's quite possible he envisions a team capable of inflicting damage and kaboom wins.

[rocky_warrior]

Shaka also said Darryl is not yet in game shape after his shoulder surgery, and is only playing the "good" defense you'd expect him to about 1/2 the time. 

[Dr. Blackheart]

Can you imagine the senior leader that transferred here "yeah you know this is a rebuilding year, hopefully we can compete with the likes of UCONN and Nova"

OTOH, can you image a major all-conference player on a Top 20 returning team transferring to a rebuilding team with no chance of winning?  Me thinks he believes.

[Galway Eagle]

OTOH, can you image a major all-conference player on a Top 20 returning team transferring to a rebuilding team with no chance of winning?  Me thinks he believes.

I mean depends on what he was promised and feedback given by NBA scouts but overall I see your point.

[Goose]

Dr. B

Spot on. The kid is not here to lose.

[Lennys Tap]

These rankings were made by the BE coaches,  not sports writers. They probably know something about basketball

Coaches polls and writers polls (both preseason and in season) pretty much mirror one another.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Coaches polls and writers polls (both preseason and in season) pretty much mirror one another.

I don't think that contradicts my assertion that BE coaches probably know something about basketball

[Lennys Tap]

I don't think that contradicts my assertion that BE coaches probably know something about basketball

Of course they know something about basketball.

But there’s no evidence (that I know of anyway) that they’re better at prognostication than college basketball writers.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Of course they know something about basketball.

But there’s no evidence (that I know of anyway) that they’re better at prognostication than college basketball writers.

They aren’t. Old but not new analysis but Scoopers may be more accurate…and we are nutz.

https://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2011/04/rating-raters.html