To Fire or not to fire. That is the question

[MU82]

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[MUHoopsFan2]

He can be a class act at another program; I want to win basketball games.  He should be judged on his record, and currently, its damning.

And we've already reached the point in the season where we start smoking the copium and talking ourselves into next year's team being better.  How exactly?  We don't know about transfers, we don't know about departures, and we have a ton of holes.  There is a much higher chance of us being exactly where we are now, next year, than for us to be in the top 4 in the BEAST.  If we lose any of our top 3 players, say hello to the basement and the FF next year will be UGLY.

NO HE SHOULDNT BE JUDGED ON THAT IN A YEAR LIKE THIS....that is clownish. You have a lot of fans who have fake fandom.

This is not a BLUE BLOOD program. Yet....even they are losing this year. Fan are throwing up this 'I want to win and judge him on wins...' crap. No always.

It takes time to build especially with defections of major stars and early entrants to the NBA when they were not ready and it was not warranted.

You keep him around and this team might make the Final Four next year. At the very least win the Big East! It is on the right track. Fans just like to cry....needlessly.

Alums and the like should see progress and effort and upside. I do... great job by his entire staff. Every player has improved! EVERY ONE. 

[MUHoopsFan2]

If you think losing in a blowout in BET game 1 then the heat is on you are nuts. The heat is on, period. He has had zero post season success in 7 years. We finished near the bottom of the conference. This guy needs to do much better to stay beyond next season IMO.

You have not got consistency because major players BAIL OUT ON HIM....that's why! Not because of him.

They wouldn't let him coach and then quit when their minutes or touches were taken or threatened and they were winning then. I wont name any names...but you know what I mean. Undermined everything.

It was not that Wojo dont want to win, hell he came from DUKE! The players who left didn't...

[WhiteTrash]

NO HE SHOULDNT BE JUDGED ON THAT IN A YEAR LIKE THIS....clown.

What does that even mean? "in a year like this."? Is this supposed to be funny? Did I miss the teal?

[MU82]

You have not got consistency because major players BAIL OUT ON HIM....that's why! Not because of him.

They wouldn't let him coach and then quit when their minutes or touches were taken or threatened and they were winning then. I wont name any names...but you know what I mean. Undermined everything.

It was not that Wojo dont want to win, hell he came from DUKE! The players who left didn't...

As a pretty strong ProJo turned into a NoJo ... sorry, but even that stuff is on the coach.

Managing egos is a big part of any coach's job. Leaders ultimately are responsible for results.

And while every coach loses players sometimes, even good ones, it is up to him to replace any lost players with those good enough to keep things rolling.

Even after Hausershima, I stayed strongly in Wojo's corner through 2020 National Marquette Day, when our win over Butler put us at 17-6, moved us into the top 20 and all but clinched Wojo's third NCAA bid in four years.

But since then, Marquette is 14-19, and this year's team has been mediocre for months now.

Neither his body of work nor his trend are good enough IMHO.

Having said all that, I'll be rooting strongly for our guys today against Georgetown, and hopefully beyond, to save the season.

[WhiteTrash]

NO HE SHOULDNT BE JUDGED ON THAT IN A YEAR LIKE THIS....that is clownish. You have a lot of fans who have fake fandom.

This is not a BLUE BLOOD program. Yet....even they are losing this year. Fan are throwing up this 'I want to win and judge him on wins...' crap. No always.

It takes time to build especially with defections of major stars and early entrants to the NBA when they were not ready and it was not warranted.

You keep him around and this team might make the Final Four next year. At the very least win the Big East! It is on the right track. Fans just like to cry....needlessly.

Alums and the like should see progress and effort and upside. I do... great job by his entire staff. Every player has improved! EVERY ONE.

I guess you have to start drinking when you wake up if you want to drink all day.

[Hards Alumni]

NO HE SHOULDNT BE JUDGED ON THAT IN A YEAR LIKE THIS....that is clownish. You have a lot of fans who have fake fandom.

This is not a BLUE BLOOD program. Yet....even they are losing this year. Fan are throwing up this 'I want to win and judge him on wins...' crap. No always.

It takes time to build especially with defections of major stars and early entrants to the NBA when they were not ready and it was not warranted.

You keep him around and this team might make the Final Four next year. At the very least win the Big East! It is on the right track. Fans just like to cry....needlessly.

Alums and the like should see progress and effort and upside. I do... great job by his entire staff. Every player has improved! EVERY ONE.

I wish you all the best with a post like this, brother.  Fantasyland

[#UnleashSean]

NO HE SHOULDNT BE JUDGED ON THAT IN A YEAR LIKE THIS....that is clownish. You have a lot of fans who have fake fandom.

This is not a BLUE BLOOD program. Yet....even they are losing this year. Fan are throwing up this 'I want to win and judge him on wins...' crap. No always.

It takes time to build especially with defections of major stars and early entrants to the NBA when they were not ready and it was not warranted.

You keep him around and this team might make the Final Four next year. At the very least win the Big East! It is on the right track. Fans just like to cry....needlessly.

Alums and the like should see progress and effort and upside. I do... great job by his entire staff. Every player has improved! EVERY ONE.

Remember guys, don't do crack.

[MUfan12]

HoopsFan is Broeker's burner account?

[5DollarPitcher]

Fan are throwing up this 'I want to win and judge him on wins...' crap. No always.

??????

[MarquetteMike1977]

John Beilein is on TV at the host desk of the Big Ten Network Tonight

[brewcity77]

[muwarrior69]

I wish you all the best with a post like this, brother.  Fantasyland

We actually agree on something.

[goldeneagle91114]

He will be back and, frankly - at this point - he should come back as well (as weird and as up-and-down this roller coaster has been).

We have won four of our last five games.  There is tremendous optimism for next year, between returning players and incoming freshmen.  I think he is back regardless, but if he can win a game or two in the BET, it can really have a huge impact going into next season.  We have not gotten the results or the consistency under Wojo, but this is also the first year in several years the team is playing some of its best basketball at the end of the season.  This might very well be a turning point for the program - which I am hoping is the case. 

Now, if we get blown out in our one and only game in the BET (and that is our last game), the heat is on for next year.  No doubt.

This didn't age real well.

[Jables1604]

Sounds like Woj missed Casimir Pulaski Day?

Or more importantly Smigus-Dyngus...

[f/k/a humanlung]

If Wojo is back next year, I suspect Fiserv will sound a lot like games this year.

The sound of apathy can be deafening.

[WhiteTrash]

If Wojo is back next year, I suspect Fiserv will sound a lot like games this year.

The sound of apathy can be deafening.

Apathy from money paying/donation making alumni mixed with booing from students is a baaad mix.

[Boone]

Program is a joke. Laughable that some thought we had any kind of tournament run in us... no matter what the draw

[jutaw22mu]

Seriously, how is this still even a question?

[GrimmReaper33]

I don't think it's a smart idea to cling to Wojo because of current talent or potential incoming recruits.  Pure talent has never been the issue during his tenure here.  There's been plenty of talent. 

He's had 5 stars, 4 stars, McDonalds All Americans, future NBA guys, college All Americans, a crapload of top 100 recruits.. All added up to 0 NCAA wins.  Talent is not the problem.  Year in and year, out I've watched MU lose to, and finish below teams with less talent.  The MU program has had no identity during Wojo's tenure. 

I don't understand why AD's still chase after Coach K assistants.  The Duke program is built to a point that basically every single game they take the floor, they will have the more talented team.  These Duke assistants, like our Wojo, then go somewhere and aren't really up to the challenge of building a program, building an identity or system that can lead to sustained success. 

Their whole prior experience is with a program where they just recruit for the easiest brand to recruit for, and then enter every game with significantly more talented players than their opponent. 

[hawk]

I can't say that I really disagree with much of what you just posted.  The coach K coaching tree's success overall is less than awesome.  Wojo has brought in a lot of talent and he has left a lot of w's on the table.  I would make three observations though.

First of all, look at Marquette's bigs.  They are not big they are tall.  If you took a picture of them as profiles they would look like a bar code.  Wojo needs to get a physically large body on the baseline,he needs a center not forwards.  memo for transfer portal.

Second, MU and all the middling teams in the big east should get some credit for the wins they did have.  No conference is as dense with quality teams as the big east.  Wisconsin is 10 and 10 in conference play.  5 of those wins came at the expense of the bottom 3 of the 14 team conference  If you could add 5 wins to MU's record it would look pretty good.  The big east has no bottom feeders.

Third, Give Wojo some credit for staying until the game was over.  His disappointment in the teams performance was evident throughout the game.  I still don't believe that Cooley left the bench before the horn.

[GoldenWarrior11]

This didn't age real well.

Can I rescind my original comment?  Or I can just walk away in shame.

[naginiF]

Can I rescind my original comment?  Or I can just walk away in shame.

1,600+ posts and you don't know that you absolutely, 100%, need to double down on your original POV? At a minimum show some respect and shift the goalposts.

[Hards Alumni]

I can't say that I really disagree with much of what you just posted.  The coach K coaching tree's success overall is less than awesome.  Wojo has brought in a lot of talent and he has left a lot of w's on the table.  I would make three observations though.

First of all, look at Marquette's bigs.  They are not big they are tall.  If you took a picture of them as profiles they would look like a bar code.  Wojo needs to get a physically large body on the baseline,he needs a center not forwards.  memo for transfer portal.

Second, MU and all the middling teams in the big east should get some credit for the wins they did have.  No conference is as dense with quality teams as the big east.  Wisconsin is 10 and 10 in conference play.  5 of those wins came at the expense of the bottom 3 of the 14 team conference  If you could add 5 wins to MU's record it would look pretty good.  The big east has no bottom feeders.

Third, Give Wojo some credit for staying until the game was over.  His disappointment in the teams performance was evident throughout the game.  I still don't believe that Cooley left the bench before the horn.

Theo isn't exactly small.  6'9 245.  Dawson is a freshman and will get larger.  Also, the type of guy you describe doesn't just exist to be plucked from a tree.  There are very few huge guys.

The Big East was a JOKE this year brother.  We are about to send only 3 teams to the NCAA tournament... 4 is a very small possibility.

Wojo gets zero credit for doing his 'job' of staying to end of the game. 

[MUfan12]

Theo isn't exactly small.  6'9 245. 

I heard somewhere that he eats weights.