Ugly Win? Trust me

[tower912]

1.  At halftime, I was trying to figure out how MU was in the game, getting nothing from Lewis, Cain, Carton, Theo.   Good Lord.
2.  2 fouls in the first 3 minute for the freshman starting for the first time.   Sigh.
3.  Second half DJ is what everybody wants.   Hero ball.
4.  So many fouls.
5.  So many turnovers.
6.  So much missing Theo's post defense.  Garcia and Lewis looked like freshmen trying to guard a fifth year senior without fouling.   Oh, wait.
7.  I appreciate Perez' effort.  He still needs a conscience.
8.  Greg is better starting.
9.  Clearly a goaltend early in the first minute of the second half against Lewis.  Hand came up on the rim.
10. Painful on the eyes.  Painful to the heart.  Moving on.

[5DollarPitcher]

Alright all the REAL Marquette fans get in here. Spray the water bottles! Seashells and balloons. If this game made you anything but ECSTATIC your degree is now null and void and you are no longer a fan.

[rocky_warrior]

7.  I appreciate Lopez' effort.  He still needs a conscience.

Perez?

[Shooter McGavin]

Thank God we won.  No matter how low this program goes I don’t want to lose twice to DePaul in the same year.

[Miss Katie’s]

I’m just here for Tower’s thread titles. 

[rocky_warrior]

Better than the the last time we played @ DePaul (a L)

[tower912]

Perez?

Doh.  Will fix it.   Stupid fast phone fingers.

[TallTitan34]

DJ murdered a guy.

[CountryRoads]

2nd year in a row we’ve played them at their place without their best player.

[NolongerWarriors]

Better than the the last time we played @ DePaul (a L)

MU might have played worse this game.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Perez?

Flashback to the NCAA tournament game v. Stanford

[cheebs09]

That was the equivalent of a USF-DePaul game in the old Big East. Bad basketball and irrelevant. That

[Blackhat]

Just win baby!  I’ll take it

[rocky_warrior]

MU might have played worse this game.

Really?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=401168381

And on that note, I already had completely forgotten Jayce.  What a year...

[MU82]

Alright all the REAL Marquette fans get in here. Spray the water bottles! Seashells and balloons. If this game made you anything but ECSTATIC your degree is now null and void and you are no longer a fan.

I'm ECSTATIC that my life is rewarding enough that I don't have to spend countless hours on the interwebs mocking Marquette fans who dare not root for Marquette to lose.

[5DollarPitcher]

I'm ECSTATIC that my life is rewarding enough that I don't have to spend countless hours on the interwebs mocking Marquette fans who dare not root for Marquette to lose.

We’re all on the same hamster wheel buddy.

[MU82]

We’re all on the same hamster wheel buddy.

If you say so, pal.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Awwww, good to see you two getting along!

[willie warrior]

Awwww, good to see you two getting along!

Great picture of a Wojo-Dukiet fan copying up to him.

[TheREALwrk]

Not sure how you can even appreciate Perez's effort. At one point it seemed the offense was running through him.... And Dawson was rolling his eyes.

Want Dawson to even consider a transfer? Keep giving Perez a bunch of touches - shows how incompetent the coach is.

[MU82]

Not sure how you can even appreciate Perez's effort. At one point it seemed the offense was running through him.... And Dawson was rolling his eyes.

Want Dawson to even consider a transfer? Keep giving Perez a bunch of touches - shows how incompetent the coach is.

Did you see Dawson rolling his eyes? Neither did I.

But I do agree about the offense running through Perez for a short stretch last night. After the third time they fed him, I laughed and made some wisecrack about that apparently being Wojo's new offensive game plan. Thankfully, it didn't continue.

[panda]

Not sure how you can even appreciate Perez's effort. At one point it seemed the offense was running through him.... And Dawson was rolling his eyes.

Want Dawson to even consider a transfer? Keep giving Perez a bunch of touches - shows how incompetent the coach is.

To be fair, I think everyone rolls their eyes when Perez shoots. Although it happens so quickly, it’s hard to catch.

[MU82]

The thing about last night's ugly win is that if we were having a good season, many of us would say, "It was ugly, but one sign of a good team is being able to win when you're not at your best."

But when mediocrity has set in - when we go through a season in which we rarely are at our "best" - it's just another ugly game, one we happened to win because our incompetent opponent has been a clown program for decades.

So while I am still "happy" (for lack of better term) that we won, because I hate losing, I'm certainly not celebrating the win. (Though I have no problem with the players celebrating briefly in the moment.)

A few other observations ...

++ Lewis got called one offensive foul for "hooking" his defender and he could have been called for it at least 2 other times. He needs to get out of the habit. Next season, when hopefully we are decent again, it is going to cost us possessions, perhaps even a huge possession in a winnable game against a good team.

++ DJ has as much talent as any player in the Big East. It's not realistic to expect him to be go-go-go for 40 minutes - even Jordan took possessions off, even LeBron takes possessions off - but he needs to be more active more of the time. Perhaps a full offseason and preseason will help him (and others) with his conditioning and consistency. If he can take that next step, he can be a first-round draft pick.

++ Didn't know Koby could dunk. I can't remember another by him, though maybe I'm just forgetting. I certainly can't remember another "F-U dunk" like that from him.

++ I love Elliott's energy and look forward to him being one of our leaders next season. Ideally, he will be a 20 mpg instant-offense kind of guy rather than a big-minutes starter. That means Wojo (if he's still the coach) needs to bring in somebody who earns the starting spot over Greg.

++ Dawson already is a good college player. I am looking forward to seeing how good he can be next season.

++ Good on Theo for giving it a go. He was missed.

++ We finished with "only" 14 turnovers but it seemed like more.

[tower912]

In another year, posters would be up in arms about a high major playing 6 straight road games and not playing a home game for 4 weeks.    They would also be celebrating a 3-3 6 game road trip.   

[MU82]

In another year, posters would be up in arms about a high major playing 6 straight road games and not playing a home game for 4 weeks.    They would also be celebrating a 3-3 6 game road trip.

But it ain't another year. And, big picture of this season, there is no reason to celebrate.

Little picture, though, I prefer each time we win to each time we lose.

[Farley36]

In another year, posters would be up in arms about a high major playing 6 straight road games and not playing a home game for 4 weeks.    They would also be celebrating a 3-3 6 game road trip.

😂🤣  you can’t make this stuff up.

[tower912]

But it ain't another year. And, big picture of this season, there is no reason to celebrate.

Little picture, though, I prefer each time we win to each time we lose.

You are correct. 

[Big Papi]

I watched a game last night with the 2 worst teams in the conference this season and it was U G L Y.

A win is a win but this program is sliding towards a regular battle of the 2 worst teams duking it out for 10th place.

[willie warrior]

I watched a game last night with the 2 worst teams in the conference this season and it was U G L Y.

A win is a win but this program is sliding towards a regular battle of the 2 worst teams duking it out for 10th place.

Correction. It is not sliding towards, it has already arrived. When you are on par with DePaul, you have failed miserably!!!!

[LloydsLegs]

Side note: the last 10 minutes (all that I watched) of the X v. GU game last night may have been uglier.

[MU82]

I watched a game last night with the 2 worst teams in the conference this season and it was U G L Y.

A win is a win but this program is sliding towards a regular battle of the 2 worst teams duking it out for 10th place.

I know I'm a hopeless optimist, but I don't think this program is sliding toward that at all.

A few "ifs" are necessary - mostly involving the return of our top 3 players, decent contributions from a couple of next year's freshmen and the signing of a good transfer - but I can envision MUCH better results next season. Yes, even with Wojo.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Side note: the last 10 minutes (all that I watched) of the X v. GU game last night may have been uglier.

Those saying this was the ugliest game of the season have not watched much college basketball. Lots of ugly games including your example above. Specifically, they haven't watched a lot of DePaul games. This is what they do, ugly up games so they can stay in the game in hopes of just scratching out a win. I watched Seton Hall beat DePaul earlier this year and the Pirates didn't score a FG in last 9 minutes.

It was not a good win. No one is saying it is. But those trying to spin it into a indictment of the program are overexaggerating. There's already plenty to indict the program on, last night falls somewhere between 88th and 94th on the list.

[panda]

Those saying this was the ugliest game of the season have not watched much college basketball. Lots of ugly games including your example above. Specifically, they haven't watched a lot of DePaul games. This is what they do, ugly up games so they can stay in the game in hopes of just scratching out a win. I watched Seton Hall beat DePaul earlier this year and the Pirates didn't score a FG in last 9 minutes.

It was not a good win. No one is saying it is. But those trying to spin it into a indictment of the program are overexaggerating. There's already plenty to indict the program on, last night falls somewhere between 88th and 94th on the list.

Ugliest game overall? Who knows but that stretch in the second half was unlike anything I’ve ever seen before in college basketball.

[MU82]

Ugliest game overall? Who knows but that stretch in the second half was unlike anything I’ve ever seen before in college basketball.

You need to watch more college basketball.

For example, in Texas A&M's home loss to LSU, the Aggies led 66-60 with 8:50 to go.

They didn't score another point the rest of the game. Zero points in nearly 9 minutes!!

They were 0-15 from the floor, missed the front end of 1+1 (the only FT attempted in that span), committed 2 turnovers, and let LSU finish with an 18-0 run. They were jacking up wild 3-pointers, many of which didn't even catch iron.

I know all this because it was on ESPN's "bad beats" - the over-under on TAMU was 67.5, so they only needed to make one basket or 2 FTs in the final 8:50 to cover ... and they didn't!

Obviously, with such horrid basketball - just another disappointment is a season that has them in 13th place in the SEC - Texas A&M must have a terrible coach, right?

[Farley36]

Those saying this was the ugliest game of the season have not watched much college basketball. Lots of ugly games including your example above. Specifically, they haven't watched a lot of DePaul games. This is what they do, ugly up games so they can stay in the game in hopes of just scratching out a win. I watched Seton Hall beat DePaul earlier this year and the Pirates didn't score a FG in last 9 minutes.

It was not a good win. No one is saying it is. But those trying to spin it into a indictment of the program are overexaggerating. There's already plenty to indict the program on, last night falls somewhere between 88th and 94th on the list.

Some people just can’t admit how far this program has fallen.   Keep on living in your fantasy world that we’re not a bottom Big East team and the future is bright. 

[tower912]

Indiana/ Michigan State was brutal until Henry took over.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Keep on living in your fantasy world that we’re not a bottom Big East team and the future is bright. 

He's never said or implied that "we're not a bottom Big East team" or "the future is bright."

Stop lying.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Some people just can’t admit how far this program has fallen.   Keep on living in your fantasy world that we’re not a bottom Big East team and the future is bright.

If you could point out where I said we're not a bottom Big East team or that the future is bright, I'll gladly issue a retraction.

[panda]

You need to watch more college basketball.

For example, in Texas A&M's home loss to LSU, the Aggies led 66-60 with 8:50 to go.

They didn't score another point the rest of the game. Zero points in nearly 9 minutes!!

They were 0-15 from the floor, missed the front end of 1+1 (the only FT attempted in that span), committed 2 turnovers, and let LSU finish with an 18-0 run. They were jacking up wild 3-pointers, many of which didn't even catch iron.

I know all this because it was on ESPN's "bad beats" - the over-under on TAMU was 67.5, so they only needed to make one basket or 2 FTs in the final 8:50 to cover ... and they didn't!

Obviously, with such horrid basketball - just another disappointment is a season that has them in 13th place in the SEC - Texas A&M must have a terrible coach, right?

It always has to come back to pro jo no jo with you.

The stretch in the second half last night was very bad basketball. The worst I have seen all season from both teams.

There’s no hidden meaning behind what I said.

Feel free to insert whatever narrative you see fit, but there’s nothing beyond the fact that I believe it was a bad stretch of basketball between two teams.

[lessthannick11]

If you could point out where I said we're not a bottom Big East team or that the future is bright, I'll gladly issue a retraction.

I dont think he actually reads what people writes. His head is so full of anger towards Wojo that unless every single post on this site is how much we suck at everything, he takes it as a Pro-Wojo take.


I doubt there is anyone left here who likes Wojo, thinks we are good right now or will be soon or doesn't want a new staff right now. But for some people, that means the only thing you can ever talk about is how horrible everything is.

[Silent Verbal]

I dont think he actually reads what people writes. His head is so full of anger towards Wojo that unless every single post on this site is how much we suck at everything, he takes it as a Pro-Wojo take.


I doubt there is anyone left here who likes Wojo, thinks we are good right now or will be soon or doesn't want a new staff right now. But for some people, that means the only thing you can ever talk about is how horrible everything is.

There are absolutely a few people left who still like Wojo, though they may not think we’re good or will be soon.

[MU82]

It always has to come back to pro jo no jo with you.

The stretch in the second half last night was very bad basketball. The worst I have seen all season from both teams.

There’s no hidden meaning behind what I said.

Feel free to insert whatever narrative you see fit, but there’s nothing beyond the fact that I believe it was a bad stretch of basketball between two teams.

I did not think you had any hidden meaning. I just think there is a lot of bad basketball out there, including the instance I mentioned. I guess you don't watch much basketball, that's all.

Even good coaches have presided over bad basketball this season. Even blueblood coaches.

It has nothing to do with "jo." I said he should have been fired, during the season, more than 6 weeks ago.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

++ Didn't know Koby could dunk. I can't remember another by him, though maybe I'm just forgetting. I certainly can't remember another "F-U dunk" like that from him.

Agree, I said this as well in the game thread last night. After watching Koby drive to the basket and launch so many contorted lay ups, I had no idea he could dunk, much less with that sort of authority.

[tower912]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA3aAbj5big

[CountryRoads]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA3aAbj5big

It took wojo less than 5 seconds to remind everyone that they were without Theo. Pretty typical.

[Galway Eagle]

It took wojo less than 5 seconds to remind everyone that they were without Theo. Pretty typical.

Would've enjoyed somebody countering with "well didn't you lose to them previously with Theo?"

[Boone]

Or countered with DePaul was missing their best all-around player, Freeman-Liberty, who scored 19 against us last game

[Jables1604]

Some people just can’t admit how far this program has fallen.   Keep on living in your fantasy world that we’re not a bottom Big East team and the future is bright.

Either Fartley36 has a reading comprehension issue or he gets so gacked up to bad-mouth the program that he rushes to reply before actually digested what someone posts.

[bilsu]

Not sure how you can even appreciate Perez's effort. At one point it seemed the offense was running through him.... And Dawson was rolling his eyes.

Want Dawson to even consider a transfer? Keep giving Perez a bunch of touches - shows how incompetent the coach is.

I wish Carton would play with Perez's attitude.

If you were a Wardle fan then you should become a Perez fan. Similar size player who likes to shoot inside or out.

[rocky_warrior]

Agree, I said this as well in the game thread last night. After watching Koby drive to the basket and launch so many contorted lay ups, I had no idea he could dunk, much less with that sort of authority.

For your viewing pleasure...
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1366942438468820995

[Farley36]

If you could point out where I said we're not a bottom Big East team or that the future is bright, I'll gladly issue a retraction.

Sure you didn’t say those exact words but the whole post reads as a list of excuses and justifications.   Lots of worse games, not an indictment on the program.  This board is littered with people who want to make excuses for the dumpster fire this program has become.  Every trash performance is an indictment on the program.  We’re heading quickly to becoming Depaul North.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

For your viewing pleasure...
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1366942438468820995

Thank you, that was sweet. Watching all four DePaul off-ball defenders just let him do it without even token resistance...

[naginiF]

I wish Carton would play with Perez's attitude.

If you were a Wardle fan then you should become a Perez fan. Similar size player who likes to shoot inside or out.

I'll confess that I'm becoming a fan of his presence on the court for a variety of reasons a few of them have 0 do do with his stat sheet contributions but we're at the 'it's entertainment' portion of this car crash of a season:

- I assume he's making those shots in practice and it'll start paying off in games because a) we can't count the number of transfers that have been written off their first year only to become valued members of the team (some never did but many have), and b) even with the injuries he'd have a shorter leash if he wasn't making them in practice (insert "that would be true if Wojo was a competent coach" comment here)
- His flat footed running style makes him look like molasses to the point that every time he keeps up in transition I'm surprised and, he's not the fastest on the court but, he keeps up.
- Ben Steele had a great tweet that was spot on and cracks me up every time he backs someone down to the basket (paraphrasing) "JP backs a guy down with the confidence of that sweaty guy at the Y during a noon game". And, he's pretty effective at getting that position ...... again I assume the % will go up.
- there is a greater than 50/50 chance I get a text from someone not an MU fan when he's shooting free throws that is basically "wait, is he standing there on purpose?"

Some will have issue with this because it's looking at the positive/entertainment side of things.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Sure you didn’t say those exact words but the whole post reads as a list of excuses and justifications.   Lots of worse games, not an indictment on the program.  This board is littered with people who want to make excuses for the dumpster fire this program has become.  Every trash performance is an indictment on the program.  We’re heading quickly to becoming Depaul North.

Maybe you need to check your reading glasses. Because the post also talks about how there are so many indictments of the program that an ugly win at DePaul ranks in the 90s....meaning that there are a lot of other things wrong with the program.

You and others keep mentioning things like "littered with people who want to make excuses" where are they exactly? I think 99% of the active posters on this board, myself included, have publicly said fire Wojo this season. Don't mistake accepting the reality that he will be our coach next season with being happy about it.

[willie warrior]

Maybe you need to check your reading glasses. Because the post also talks about how there are so many indictments of the program that an ugly win at DePaul ranks in the 90s....meaning that there are a lot of other things wrong with the program.

You and others keep mentioning things like "littered with people who want to make excuses" where are they exactly? I think 99% of the active posters on this board, myself included, have publicly said fire Wojo this season. Don't mistake accepting the reality that he will be our coach next season with being happy about it.

"Accepting the reality of it" is pure and simple a BS excuse. That "reality" can be changed if people have the will to change it.

[Johnny B]

"Accepting the reality of it" is pure and simple a BS excuse. That "reality" can be changed if people have the will to change it.

dude will be here next year. what do u want scoop folks to due. stand out side lovels place?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

"Accepting the reality of it" is pure and simple a BS excuse. That "reality" can be changed if people have the will to change it.

Please enlighten us Willie. What exactly can us scoopers do to change this reality if we have the will to do it?

[Blackhat]

dude will be here next year. what do u want scoop folks to due. stand out side lovels place?

Stop going to games is a start if they wish to continue to put this product out there.