University of Texas

[Dr. Blackheart]

Here is an interesting fact I just learned: Sam Houston was ousted as governor after he refused to take an oath to the confederacy.

[Jockey]

So you believe that before signing a letter of intent, each recruit was told he would have to stand and sing this song, that it was a requirement to being a scholarship football player at UT?
Should be "fun" the first time the cops actually try to enforce that law.

Ah, "small gubmint."

One of the big donors who has threatened to halt future donations actually said that. If "the blacks" don't want to sing, they should move to a different state.

[GooooMarquette]

Again, what in the lyrics to "The Eyes of Texas" are being seen as offensive?

I never said it was offensive. Some players seem to think it is, and I don't feel it is my place to tell them otherwise. But regardless, I was responding directly to this comment you made:

If they were so uncomfortable with it, they could have easily chosen to go somewhere where the school song was less offensive.

That certainly seemed to imply that you thought they knew the lyrics before they committed.

[JWags85]

Here is an interesting fact I just learned: Sam Houston was ousted as governor after he refused to take an oath to the confederacy.

Sam Houston also lived with a Cherokee tribe in his teens.  Andrew Jackson put him in charge of trying to remove Cherokee's from lands.  He sided with the Cherokee and once wore Native American garb to a meeting between them and that old racist POS John Calhoun.  Which infuriated Calhoun and Houston left the army.  Then he later got accused of fraud for trying to get rations to Native Americans who were being resettled...he responded by beating the hell out of the accusing senator with a cane.

Sam Houston...certified non-racist and general badass.

[The Sultan]

https://twitter.com/CSterns_7/status/1366508489929986049?s=20

[Uncle Rico]

I know how I'd be recruiting against Texas.  Good luck, Sark

[jesmu84]

https://twitter.com/CSterns_7/status/1366508489929986049?s=20

Just do what master says and you'll get paid

[Dr. Blackheart]

Sam Houston also lived with a Cherokee tribe in his teens.  Andrew Jackson put him in charge of trying to remove Cherokee's from lands.  He sided with the Cherokee and once wore Native American garb to a meeting between them and that old racist POS John Calhoun.  Which infuriated Calhoun and Houston left the army.  Then he later got accused of fraud for trying to get rations to Native Americans who were being resettled...he responded by beating the hell out of the accusing senator with a cane.

Sam Houston...certified non-racist and general badass.

I will have find a doc and/or book on Sam and read up.

[Jockey]

https://twitter.com/CSterns_7/status/1366508489929986049?s=20

That's what I referenced a few posts back. Thanks for finding and posting.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Sam Houston also lived with a Cherokee tribe in his teens.  Andrew Jackson put him in charge of trying to remove Cherokee's from lands.  He sided with the Cherokee and once wore Native American garb to a meeting between them and that old racist POS John Calhoun.  Which infuriated Calhoun and Houston left the army.  Then he later got accused of fraud for trying to get rations to Native Americans who were being resettled...he responded by beating the hell out of the accusing senator with a cane.

Sam Houston...certified non-racist and general badass.

I feel like I just watched a drunk history vignette

[GooooMarquette]

Sam Houston also lived with a Cherokee tribe in his teens.  Andrew Jackson put him in charge of trying to remove Cherokee's from lands.  He sided with the Cherokee and once wore Native American garb to a meeting between them and that old racist POS John Calhoun.  Which infuriated Calhoun and Houston left the army.  Then he later got accused of fraud for trying to get rations to Native Americans who were being resettled...he responded by beating the hell out of the accusing senator with a cane.

Sam Houston...certified non-racist and general badass.

Very cool story! Thanks for sharing.

[WarriorFan]

Offense is a choice.
Upset is a choice.
Some people make bad choices.

[The Sultan]

Offense is a choice.
Upset is a choice.
Some people make bad choices.

Not really
Not really
Definitely

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Offense is a choice.
Upset is a choice.
Some people make bad choices.

Being offended or upset by something is not a choice. It is a emotional response. What they do with that emotional response is a choice.

[Galway Eagle]

Being offended or upset by something is not a choice. It is a emotional response. What they do with that emotional response is a choice.

I generally agree with this. But it is worth stating that one can obsessively research the background of anything from history and choose a viewpoint to be upset about it (Washington, Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr, Gandhi)

[MU82]

I generally agree with this. But it is worth stating that one can obsessively research the background of anything from history and choose a viewpoint to be upset about it (Washington, Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr, Gandhi)

What an upsetting viewpoint you have, Galway!

[jficke13]

I generally agree with this. But it is worth stating that one can obsessively research the background of anything from history and choose a viewpoint to be upset about it (Washington, Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr, Gandhi)

My personal favorite are the people who work themselves into a fury about Mother Theresa.

[Galway Eagle]

What an upsetting viewpoint you have, Galway!

Then choose not to be upset about it!

[JWags85]

My personal favorite are the people who work themselves into a fury about Mother Theresa.

I think there is very valid criticism and reason to question some of the fervent adoration of Mother Theresa.  She kept some dubious company when it came to world leaders, her views on medical treatment were actually kind of F'd up, and there was a lot of grey area when it came to the large finances of her organization.  I don't think she was some secretly evil meglomaniac, but I think there is some very valid pushback to the saintly view of her.  Same for Ghandi, dude had some VERY questionable positions and habits at the time.

But the end of the day, they were just humans with flaws like the rest of us, which is fine, but its the tongue wagging deification of them that brings scrutiny on their past.

[Galway Eagle]

I think there is very valid criticism and reason to question some of the fervent adoration of Mother Theresa.  She kept some dubious company when it came to world leaders, her views on medical treatment were actually kind of F'd up, and there was a lot of grey area when it came to the large finances of her organization.  I don't think she was some secretly evil meglomaniac, but I think there is some very valid pushback to the saintly view of her.  Same for Ghandi, dude had some VERY questionable positions and habits at the time.

But the end of the day, they were just humans with flaws like the rest of us, which is fine, but its the tongue wagging deification of them that brings scrutiny on their past.

One should always be aware of the imperfection of everyone's past. But as you say "they were just humans with flaws like the rest of us". I think if a person has done more good than bad and the main thing they're known for is a good achievement, then they should be looked upon as good. You can choose to focus on those imperfections and thus be offended by statues and street names or you can accept they were imperfect but made an overall positive lasting impact.

Unlike say confederate leaders who were traitors that fought and killed for the right to enslave a bunch of people.

[The Sultan]

One should always be aware of the imperfection of everyone's past. But as you say "they were just humans with flaws like the rest of us". I think if a person has done more good than bad and the main thing they're known for is a good achievement, then they should be looked upon as good. You can choose to focus on those imperfections and thus be offended by statues and street names or you can accept they were imperfect but made a overall positive lasting impact.

Unlike say confederate leaders who were traitors that fought and killed for the right to enslave a bunch of people.

This is why I am not a big fan of statues in general.  It elevates the person above their accomplishments.

[Galway Eagle]

This is why I am not a big fan of statues in general.  It elevates the person above their accomplishments.

I prefer statues of events. That monumentalizes the specific achievement rather than the individual. It would be much more difficult to scream take down a statue of Washington crossing the Delaware or getting sworn in as the first president as opposed to one of him just standing there, looking regal. 

[The Sultan]

Or like the Statue of Iwo Jima, largely of anonymous people.

[Billy Hoyle]

One should always be aware of the imperfection of everyone's past. But as you say "they were just humans with flaws like the rest of us". I think if a person has done more good than bad and the main thing they're known for is a good achievement, then they should be looked upon as good. You can choose to focus on those imperfections and thus be offended by statues and street names or you can accept they were imperfect but made an overall positive lasting impact.

Unlike say confederate leaders who were traitors that fought and killed for the right to enslave a bunch of people.

I'm with you 100%. However, what you are advocating is subjective and based upon the decision-makers. Look at SFSD. Lincoln wasn't good enough, Dianne Feinstein's name had to come down because under her watch as Mayor the confederate flag was replaced by the Parks Department at a display after it was removed, but then she had it immediately replaced by a Union flag (not good enough), Paul Revere was deemed unworthy because they looked up the wrong info on Wikipedia, but Malcolm X's history of being a pimp and abusing/subjucating women could be ignored because "his later career redeemed his earlier missteps."

In London, Davis, and DC, Gandhi statues were targeted. And look at the love for Kobe and all of the demands regarding the NBA logo. Suddenly Eagle, CO isn't a big deal because he was a great player and became a "girl dad."

Or like the Statue of Iwo Jima, largely of anonymous people.

Give it time...

[Pakuni]

I'm with you 100%. However, what you are advocating is subjective and based upon the decision-makers.

So, basically the same as the process by which the statues were commissioned?