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CountryRoads

Goodman telling it straight. Says we have been to 2 NCAA in 7 years and isn't giving us credit for last year as we may have been out. 

We are struggling in a bad big east and have been 6-15 in conference games since that loss at nova last year. Dauster said our talent is comparable to DePaul.

panda

Listen to the full podcast. Both of them are brutally honest in regards to Wojo's situation at MU. The national media is now onto Wojo.

PBRme

So if History repeats itself and Wojo is Bob Dukiet who is our next hire (Mike Deane) type
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geps

Don't disagree necessarily with anything said but the Lewis injury is a thing.

MU82

Quote from: CountryRoads on February 11, 2021, 02:22:56 PM
Goodman telling it straight. Says we have been to 2 NCAA in 7 years and isn't giving us credit for last year as we may have been out. 

We are struggling in a bad big east and have been 6-15 in conference games since that loss at nova last year. Dauster said our talent is comparable to DePaul.

According to bracketmatrix, we were in 97 out of 97 brackets, with us likely a 9-seed. So it takes a lot of imagination (or an ulterior motive) to say we wouldn't have been in the 2020 NCAAs.

http://bracketmatrix.com/matrix_2020.html

Otherwise, mostly a lot of cold, hard truth in there. Wojo needs to go.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

GoldenWarrior11

Does Goodman know that we are tired though?

BM1090

There's a 99.99% chance we would have been in last year. So it's 3 in 7 years. Even the minimal amount of research would show that.

Doesn't change anything though. Hopefully he's gone.

CountryRoads

Quote from: geps on February 11, 2021, 02:32:19 PM
Don't disagree necessarily with anything said but the Lewis injury is a thing.

It's a thing and it's an inconvenient time for it to happen, but all coaches deal with this stuff. In fact, Wojo has been extremely fortunate in his tenure when it comes to injuries unlike say, Creighton.

MUfan12


lurch91

Quote from: PBRme on February 11, 2021, 02:27:52 PM
So if History repeats itself and Wojo is Bob Dukiet who is our next hire (Mike Deane) type
Kevin O'Neil was hired after Bob Dukiet was fired.

Silent Verbal

Quote from: MUfan12 on February 11, 2021, 02:42:37 PM
Dauster's comment on Carton...

What did he say, for those who haven't had time to listen yet?

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 11, 2021, 02:48:08 PM
What did he say, for those who haven't had time to listen yet?

Mentioned cartons record when he was at OSU and the record after he left after a long awkward pause where he didn't know how to bring up mental health issues
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

MU82

Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 11, 2021, 02:50:26 PM
Mentioned cartons record when he was at OSU and the record after he left after a long awkward pause where he didn't know how to bring up mental health issues

Yeah, that wasn't good.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Silent Verbal

Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 11, 2021, 02:50:26 PM
Mentioned cartons record when he was at OSU and the record after he left after a long awkward pause where he didn't know how to bring up mental health issues

Thanks, was just able to watch it now.

A week ago, some were saying that the national media would be surprised if we fired Wojo, and that us Scoopers were all just too close to the situation.  But these things tend to spread like wildfire.  The cat may well be out of the bag as far as how poorly Wojo's done.  He won't get heat from the local media, but nationally, it's nice to see the pundits are starting to dump on him.  It may not be very long until the broadcasters doing our games start pointing out what a disappointment we've been this season.  It was already trending that way last night.

I keep going back to the folks who smugly said, even as recently as a couple months ago, that Wojo's seat was ice cold.  Posting a picture of the throne from "Frozen" and what not.  I can just picture them after hitting "Post", a tight lipped smirk on their face, merriment in their eyes, knowing the lascivious bit of slurpery they just put out into the universe would surely drive the Nojoers wild.  Well, after watching that YouTube clip, I wonder how they felt?  Do you think they believed that happy crappy?

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 11, 2021, 03:08:21 PM
Thanks, was just able to watch it now.

A week ago, some were saying that the national media would be surprised if we fired Wojo, and that us Scoopers were all just too close to the situation.  But these things tend to spread like wildfire.  The cat may well be out of the bag as far as how poorly Wojo's done.  He won't get heat from the local media, but nationally, it's nice to see the pundits are starting to dump on him.  It may not be very long until the broadcasters doing our games start pointing out what a disappointment we've been this season.  It was already trending that way last night.

I keep going back to the folks who smugly said, even as recently as a couple months ago, that Wojo's seat was ice cold.  Posting a picture of the throne from "Frozen" and what not.  I can just picture them after hitting "Post", a tight lipped smirk on their face, merriment in their eyes, knowing the lascivious bit of slurpery they just put out into the universe would surely drive the Nojoers wild.  Well, after watching that YouTube clip, I wonder how they felt?  Do you think they believed that happy crappy?

I'm on here more than a sane person should be and I don't recall seeing a throne from frozen. But that being said I trust one of the posters who said it was ice cold. I disagreed and hoped there at least would've been someone with a lighter under his a$s.

You're right though, now that it's out there, between this podcast and the announcers last night, it's going to spread like wildfire
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

cheebs09

Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 11, 2021, 03:18:31 PM
I'm on here more than a sane person should be and I don't recall seeing a throne from frozen. But that being said I trust one of the posters who said it was ice cold. I disagreed and hoped there at least would've been someone with a lighter under his a$s.

You're right though, now that it's out there, between this podcast and the announcers last night, it's going to spread like wildfire

To be fair, I don't know that people thought he shouldn't be fired. I think the ice cold seat was due to the thought that the administration was fine with the progress of the program.

burger

When you get dropped by a "32 spot" on a low news basketball night.....

The National spotlight begins to shine bright.....

Don't forget we have lost on National FOX two weeks in a row also......

Galway Eagle

Quote from: burger on February 11, 2021, 03:44:21 PM
When you get dropped by a "32 spot" on a low news basketball night.....

The National spotlight begins to shine bright.....

Don't forget we have lost on National FOX two weeks in a row also......

Wojos next excuse: "We always lose on national television"
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

CTWarrior

Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2021, 02:38:48 PM
According to bracketmatrix, we were in 97 out of 97 brackets, with us likely a 9-seed. So it takes a lot of imagination (or an ulterior motive) to say we wouldn't have been in the 2020 NCAAs.

http://bracketmatrix.com/matrix_2020.html

Otherwise, mostly a lot of cold, hard truth in there. Wojo needs to go.
If you listen to the whole thing, he said they'd probably have made it but a good chance in the play-in game or as a low seed with a likely first round loss.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

Dish

Man, that stat that really stings is in MU's last 21 BE games, they are 6-15.

I knew it was bad, but that was striking how poor MU has been.

No bueno.

brewcity77

Quote from: CountryRoads on February 11, 2021, 02:22:56 PM
Goodman telling it straight. Says we have been to 2 NCAA in 7 years and isn't giving us credit for last year as we may have been out. 

I'm fully on the Fire Wojo train, but we were absolutely going to be in the field last year. Every projection had us in. They weren't even in danger of going to Dayton, they were safely in.

MU82

Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 11, 2021, 03:08:21 PM
Thanks, was just able to watch it now.

A week ago, some were saying that the national media would be surprised if we fired Wojo, and that us Scoopers were all just too close to the situation.  But these things tend to spread like wildfire.  The cat may well be out of the bag as far as how poorly Wojo's done.  He won't get heat from the local media, but nationally, it's nice to see the pundits are starting to dump on him.  It may not be very long until the broadcasters doing our games start pointing out what a disappointment we've been this season.  It was already trending that way last night.

I keep going back to the folks who smugly said, even as recently as a couple months ago, that Wojo's seat was ice cold.  Posting a picture of the throne from "Frozen" and what not.  I can just picture them after hitting "Post", a tight lipped smirk on their face, merriment in their eyes, knowing the lascivious bit of slurpery they just put out into the universe would surely drive the Nojoers wild.  Well, after watching that YouTube clip, I wonder how they felt?  Do you think they believed that happy crappy?

A couple months ago, Wojo wasn't on the hot seat. None of the national pundits put him on any of their hot-seat lists. If you know otherwise, please provide evidence.

A couple months ago, for me personally, Wojo was "on probation." After the collapses of the previous two seasons, I said I needed to see progress this season, and no collapse. Well, after a promising start, there was no progress. And the collapse started early. I've been saying since Jan. 25 that he should be fired immediately; not after the season but now.

But yes, I fully admit that I probably was too patient. And those who wanted him fired last year or the year before or the year before that or before he ever was hired get to say, "I told you so."

I sure hope he's on the hot seat now. He deserves to be.

That, however, doesn't change the fact that he wasn't on the hot seat a couple months ago, as you smugly are suggesting.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

5DollarPitcher

Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2021, 06:48:51 PM
But yes, I fully admit that I probably was too patient. And those who wanted him fired last year or the year before or the year before that or before he ever was hired get to say, "I told you so."
That is good good stuff.

Now let's do Wades, Rocky, and Tower.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: DegenerateDish on February 11, 2021, 04:17:06 PM
Man, that stat that really stings is in MU's last 21 BE games, they are 6-15.

I knew it was bad, but that was striking how poor MU has been.

No bueno.

This season: First time through conference: 5-5
Second time through: 0-4

Last Season: First time through 5-4
2nd time:  3-6

Two seasons ago: First time: 8-1
Second time: 4-5

Conclusion: A finesse system coach who doesn't make adjustments in a round robin league. Wojo has been read after 7 years.

I have been barked at here for my critiques of his defensive system but no adjustments in a tough-nosed, well-coached league earn you losses the 2nd time through. Wojo needs to earn his pay here and try to pull some rabbits out of his hat. Worst case: MU loses by 33?

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