Why are we playing at Fiserv and not the Al?

[rocky_warrior]

The Maui Invitational is played in a HS gym.  So was the Great Alaska Shootout.  The Atlantis Trounrmenet is played in a casino's arena.

If you want to do it, it can be done.

Why aren't NFL teams playing at their practice field?  Why didn't baseball teams use their AAA fields?  Why don't you post this question on the Syracuse basketball forum?  Why don't you sleep at the neighbors house tonight?   All similar questions....and all similar answers. 

Why aren't you more outside the box?!?!  lol

[wadesworld]

The Maui Invitational is played in a HS gym.  So was the Great Alaska Shootout.  The Atlantis Trounrmenet is played in a casino's arena.

If you want to do it, it can be done.

The Maui Invitational is played at the Lahaina Civic Center.  The Great Alaska Shootout was played at the Alaska Airlines Center.  Neither of those are high school gyms.  I know you intentionally get things wrong to gain attention and then play the victim card, but try getting at least one thing right sometime.

[HutchwasClutch]

The only gimmick that would increase MU viewership would be playing some defense

Nice! 

[Heisenberg]

Says the guy claiming we could gain TV viewers by playing at Marquette High.

You already implied that the pampered children on the team are incapable of anything outside their daily routine.  And you seem to forget the interest in us playing on an aircraft carrier, or the NIT games in the AL.

Now you're sure that changing to an iconic venue (as I stated), and I'll concede that MUHS might not be one, will not create curiosity.  And the fact that the MLB game played in Williamsport every year gets higher ratings than a typical game is just a coincidence.

But hey, it's your message board.  Instead of thinking first and giving a good answer like Dr. Blackheart above, you prefer the time-honored practice here of trolling/attacking first, then engaging your brain later.

[Heisenberg]

The Maui Invitational is played at the Lahaina Civic Center.  The Great Alaska Shootout was played at the Alaska Airlines Center.  Neither of those are high school gyms.  I know you intentionally get things wrong to gain attention and then play the victim card but try getting at least one thing right sometimes.

So what is your point/position in this thread about playing at Fiserv?

(and how ironic that guy that picks BLM as his screen name calls someone else a victim.  You want the monopoly on that)

[rocky_warrior]

You already implied that the pampered children on the team are incapable of anything outside their daily routine.  And you seem to forget the interest in us playing on an aircraft carrier, or the NIT games in the AL.

Now you're sure that changing to an iconic venue (as I stated), and I'll concede that MUHS might not be one, will not create curiosity.  And the fact that the MLB game played in Williamsport every year gets higher ratings than a typical game is just a coincidence.

But hey, it's your message board.  Instead of thinking first and giving a good answer like Dr. Blackheart above, you prefer the time-honored practice here of trolling/attacking first, then engaging your brain later.

You must have me confused with BLM.  I said nothing, and implied nothing about pampered children.  I did say Marquette's players prefer playing in an NBA arean.

Define "typical [baseball] game"?  I see the 2019 little league classic on sunday on ESPN drawing  1.1 rating and 1.76 million viewers.  ESPN Sunday night baseball averaged 1.5 million viewers in 2019, and high of 1.97 million.  So, slightly above average.  I think people tuned in for the Cubs in higher than average numbers, rather than the site.

I am thinking, and giving a good answer that there is NO GOOD REASON to play anywhere else than the FF this year.

[Heisenberg]

Why aren't NFL teams playing at their practice field?  Why didn't baseball teams use their AAA fields?  Why don't you post this question on the Syracuse basketball forum?  Why don't you sleep at the neighbors house tonight?   All similar questions....and all similar answers. 

Why aren't you more outside the box?!?!  lol

Since you asked, I will answer (as I have a relationship with the owner of an MLB team)...

Baseball did seriously consider playing in other venues like minor league parks (in a bubble-like arrangement like the NBA in either FL or AZ).  It was shelved because they did not get an agreement to play a 60 game schedule until August 1 and was still holding out hope to put fans in the stands until the season was about over.

If you told MLB they would have to play next year with no fans, they might very well play in minor league venues.  Right now they fully expect fans next year.

[wadesworld]

You already implied that the pampered children on the team are incapable of anything outside their daily routine.  And you seem to forget the interest in us playing on an aircraft carrier, or the NIT games in the AL.

Now you're sure that changing to an iconic venue (as I stated), and I'll concede that MUHS might not be one, will not create curiosity.  And the fact that the MLB game played in Williamsport every year gets higher ratings than a typical game is just a coincidence.

But hey, it's your message board.  Instead of thinking first and giving a good answer like Dr. Blackheart above, you prefer the time-honored practice here of trolling/attacking first, then engaging your brain later.

Where was that implied?  Of course it wasn't, you're just making more stuff up.  Kind of like how the Maui Invitational and Great Alaska Shootout are played in high school gyms...when they're not.

But hey.  I'm just trolling first and engaging my brain later.  You're the well thought out, always accurate poster here.

[Heisenberg]

Related question ....

Is the AL still the practice facility for visiting NBA teams to Milwaukee (when/if they need one).  Is this still the case this year?  If so, doesn't this pose a COVID problem given the issue in both college and the NBA?

[Heisenberg]

Where was that implied?  Of course it wasn't, you're just making more stuff up.  Kind of like how the Maui Invitational and Great Alaska Shootout are played in high school gyms...when they're not.

But hey.  I'm just trolling first and engaging my brain later.  You're the well thought out, always accurate poster here.

Those facilities are not much better than a high-end HS arena.

And thanks for admitting that you do not engage your brain when posting, you stated the obvious.

And I'm still waiting for your position about playing a full season in front of zero fans at Fiserv and why moving the games is a bad idea, to the AL or anywhere else.

[wadesworld]

Those facilities are not much better than a high-end HS arena.

And thanks for admitting that you do not engage your brain when posting, you stated the obvious.

And I'm still waiting for your position about playing a full season in front of zero fans at Fiserv and why moving the games is a bad idea, to the AL or anywhere else.

Lol.

Heise: The Maui and Great Alaska Shootout are played in high school gyms.
Anyone: No they're not.
Heise: The gyms they're played at aren't much better than high school gyms so yeah.

Also Heise: Why don't they move to Marquette High.
Anyone: They court isn't big enough, they paid for the facility and can't get out of it, the facility is much nicer than any other, and they can play in one arena for all their games or they can bounce around to "iconic high school gyms" (because there are so many of those in Milwaukee!) and play at a new gym each game where the court isn't even the right size.
Heise: So you're saying Wojo's players are pampered babies who can't adjust to everyday life.

Also Heise: I wish people used their brains like me before they posted.

[Heisenberg]

Lol.

Heise: The Maui and Great Alaska Shootout are played in high school gyms.
Anyone: No they're not.
Heise: The gyms they're played at aren't much better than high school gyms so yeah.

Also Heise: Why don't they move to Marquette High.
Anyone: They court isn't big enough, they paid for the facility and can't get out of it, the facility is much nicer than any other, and they can play in one arena for all their games or they can bounce around to "iconic high school gyms" (because there are so many of those in Milwaukee!) and play at a new gym each game where the court isn't even the right size.
Heise: So you're saying Wojo's players are pampered babies who can't adjust to everyday life.

Also Heise: I wish people used their brains like me before they posted.

Ok, you win the troll award for December 28. Congratulations, you must be very proud of yourself (go celebrate by logging onto pornhub).


Now ... I'm still waiting for your position about playing a full season in front of zero fans at Fiserv and why moving the games is a bad idea, to the AL or anywhere else.

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Ok, you win the troll award for December 28. Congratulations, you must be very proud of yourself (go celebrate by logging onto pornhub).


Now ... I'm still waiting for your position about playing a full season in front of zero fans at Fiserv and why moving the games is a bad idea, to the AL or anywhere else.

MU has financial obligations to the Fiserv Arena. There are no other reasons needed, full stop.

[Heisenberg]

MU has financial obligations to the Fiserv Arena. There are no other reasons needed, full stop.

And none of these contracts have an "extraordinary circumstance" or a type of "Force Majeure" clause that can reduce the cost or change the terms?

My point is we all seem to be assuming this is the case.  Maybe this is what MU wants, even in a season with no gate.

If this is a pure choice by MU, to play every game at Fiserv in front of zero fans, and they have the ability to move the venue, should they?

ADDED LATER

When the Bucks played in the bubble in Orlando, did they still have to pay Fiserv for the missed games?  When they paused the season in March, did the Bucks have to pay Fiserv for the canceled home games?

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And none of these contracts have an "extraordinary circumstance" or a type of "Force Majeure" clause that can reduce the cost or change the terms?

My point is we all seem to be assuming this is the case.  Maybe this is what MU wants, even in a season with no gate.

If this is a pure choice by MU, to play every game at Fiserv in front of zero fans, and they have the ability to move the venue, should they?

ADDED LATER

When the Bucks played in the bubble in Orlando, did they still have to pay Fiserv for the missed games?  When they paused the season in March, did the Bucks have to pay Fiserv for the canceled home games?

There is no out. Stop.

The DNC paid full rate for their convention commitment just as Marquette will have to do as well.

Again, just stop.

[Heisenberg]

There is no out. Stop.

The DNC paid full rate for their convention commitment just as Marquette will have to do as well.

Again, just stop.

Have you seen the contract or can you post it?

Does the same apply to the Bucks?  Did they pay Fiserv for games they played in Orlando?

And the DNC held their convention at Fiserv, so they used the facility they paid for.  Not sure how this applies here.

ADDED LATER

How about all the concerts canceled this past summer?  Did Live Nation or AEG Presents (the nation's largest promoters) have to pay Fiserv for shows that did not happen?

[Billy Hoyle]

Those facilities are not much better than a high-end HS arena.

And thanks for admitting that you do not engage your brain when posting, you stated the obvious.

And I'm still waiting for your position about playing a full season in front of zero fans at Fiserv and why moving the games is a bad idea, to the AL or anywhere else.

Actually, Sullivan Arena, where the GAS was played until the last few years, was the municipal arena for Anchorage and was UAA's home court. It hosted pro hockey too. Alaska Airlines Arena, built on campus, seats 5K and cost $109 million to build. Both far beyond high end high high school arenas.

That said, outside of the contractual obligation likely still being in effect, I think playing at the Al would be cool, like Georgetown playing at their on-campus arena. But, no other BE school has moved back on campus from their municipal facilities and they likely have good reasons for doing it, so FF it is.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm surprised that we've gotten this far without Heisy mentioning a circle jerk yet

[Heisenberg]

I'm surprised that we've gotten this far without Heisy mentioning a circle jerk yet

Look up about six posts

[The Sultan]

Actually, Sullivan Arena, where the GAS was played until the last few years, was the municipal arena for Anchorage and was UAA's home court. It hosted pro hockey too. Alaska Airlines Arena, built on campus, seats 5K and cost $109 million to build. Both far beyond high end high high school arenas.

That said, outside of the contractual obligation likely still being in effect, I think playing at the Al would be cool, like Georgetown playing at their on-campus arena. But, no other BE school has moved back on campus from their municipal facilities and they likely have good reasons for doing it, so FF it is.

Right.  To answer the original question, there are likely requirements in the contract that requires MU to play there a certain number of times.  However, there are also likely costs covered by the FF as part of that contract that Marquette doesn't want to incur if they simply play at the Al (security, event costs, etc.)  So my guess is that MU athletics made the best choice they could given their situation. 

[The Sultan]

Lol.

Heise: The Maui and Great Alaska Shootout are played in high school gyms.
Anyone: No they're not.
Heise: The gyms they're played at aren't much better than high school gyms so yeah.

Also Heise: Why don't they move to Marquette High.
Anyone: They court isn't big enough, they paid for the facility and can't get out of it, the facility is much nicer than any other, and they can play in one arena for all their games or they can bounce around to "iconic high school gyms" (because there are so many of those in Milwaukee!) and play at a new gym each game where the court isn't even the right size.
Heise: So you're saying Wojo's players are pampered babies who can't adjust to everyday life.

Also Heise: I wish people used their brains like me before they posted.

So I am late to this "circle jerk."

Heisey wants the NBA and major D1 CBB to play in "iconic high school gyms," complete with their small locker rooms, lack of modern medical and training facilities, and problematic set up for a modern television broadcast, and claims it is a lack of "outside the box" thinking they aren't doing this? 

I've worked with dozens of guys like Heisey.  They always mix up "I have a creative idea that is an example of my outside the box thinking" with "I have a batsh*t crazy idea that can't possibly work because I don't understand the parameters involved."  They are tiresome for everyone, and usually don't go anywhere with their careers because while their busy with their "creative ideas," everyone else is getting sh*t done.

[Litehouse]

This is one of the more ridiculous arguments, even for Heisy.  In addition to the contract issues that should end the entire discussion, Fiserv is also equipped with all the advanced sensor equipment MU uses for statistical analyses, like ShotTracker.

[Heisenberg]

While I did not state it, I did not mean every game.  I meant selective games. And I never suggested they should be no games at Fiserv, just consider some games in other venues.

Your point about medical facilities and shot-tracker are good if they are true (you wrote it as if you have no idea if this is the case, or what it takes to bring another venue up to standard).

Too bad it took 45 posts to get to it.

So, how about the AL?

Again, you are all assuming MU pays a fixed-rent.  My understanding is the rent of a % of the gate, parking, and concessions.  The fixed part is very small. So, if MU was motivated to move the games (and why not, again zero fans) they could without much of a financial loss.

[Heisenberg]

[quote author=Fluffy Blue Monster
I've worked with dozens of guys like Heisey.  They always mix up "I have a creative idea that is an example of my outside the box thinking" with "I have a batsh*t crazy idea that can't possibly work because I don't understand the parameters involved."  They are tiresome for everyone, and usually don't go anywhere with their careers because while their busy with their "creative ideas," everyone else is getting sh*t done.
[/quote]

Don't you get a paycheck from a government entity?  Sure glad you telling everyone about your experience with creativity.

[Viper]

So what is your point/position in this thread about playing at Fiserv?

(and how ironic that guy that picks BLM as his screen name calls someone else a victim.  You want the monopoly on that)

+100...how ironic that guy that picks BLM as his screen name calls someone else a victim.