Seton on the dock of the bay

[The Sultan]

We have a sophomore PG who only played a half a season of basketball.  You can see the talent there.  Yes he turns it over too much, but IMO the only thing that helps that is experience.

I mean, what are the options?  Koby isn't much better and Symir...well let's just say I am not sure he is a BE PG.  Time will tell I guess.

[ducs]

For a PG, DJ has incredibly poor dribbling skills.

Most dynamic PG we've had in a long time. He prob takes too much risk dribbling because he's confident with the ball. I thought he's handling the ball really well against pressure vs prior years when press resulted in high probability turnover.

[shoothoops]

We have a sophomore PG who only played a half a season of basketball.  You can see the talent there.  Yes he turns it over too much, but IMO the only thing that helps that is experience.

I mean, what are the options?  Koby isn't much better and Symir...well let's just say I am not sure he is a BE PG.  Time will tell I guess.

This has been my issue for this team. Overall guard play hasn't been good enough at times. Depth is thin at the 1,2,3. Coach is responsible for the roster. This may be a concern again next season at some of these spots.

[shoothoops]

Kevin Willard:

First 5 seasons at SH were a struggle bus. The next 5? His teams did not finish worse than 3rd in the league any season. They haven't had much NCAA success, but they have in the league.

[tower912]

This has been my issue for this team. Overall guard play hasn't been good enough at times. Depth is thin at the 1,2,3. Coach is responsible for the roster. This may be a concern again next season at some of these spots.

Symir, out.   Dexter, recovering, but for all intents and purposes out.     There WAS plenty of depth at the 1-2-3.   Injuries and COVID stripped it.   

[panda]

Symir, out.   Dexter, recovering, but for all intents and purposes out.     There WAS plenty of depth at the 1-2-3.   Injuries and COVID stripped it.   

Symir could barely get on the court last year when we didn't have a PG on the roster and DA is a total unknown. I wouldn't call that great depth.

[shoothoops]

Symir, out.   Dexter, recovering, but for all intents and purposes out.     There WAS plenty of depth at the 1-2-3.   Injuries and COVID stripped it.   

At what level of play?

I am certainly willing to wait and see, but I am not automatically going to say Symir and Dex are taking big, huge, leaps from where they are now, this year, and next year. Cain doesn't have the handles, and has an inconsistent jumper, average defender, but he has the quickness, athleticism, length that I would like to see more of. He has certainly improved this season.

How much better would MU be right now with Symir and Dex? A little? A lot? Greg can shoot it and get to the line in limited sparked minutes at times, but he hasn't been healthy in years.

[StillWarriors]

He will have a good pro career, but not sure it will be in the NBA.  While he IS big, he doesn't really PLAY big.  And I am not sure he is a good enough shooter to overcome a lack of athleticism.

It will be interesting to see. Given the style of play currently in the NBA, it seems height and skill is more important than brawn. He can dribble, pass and hit the open 3 (43% from 3 last year). Athleticism is probably the biggest question mark, but he seems athletic enough to me relative to 3s or more likely 4s he would be asked to guard. He looked very athletic running the floor for a transition dunk in the first half. The NBA game is so different from college, it's always interesting to see how skills translate.

[Its DJOver]

Don't blame the refs, we're above that.
This is what happens with a young team.
This team doesn't quit.
Nice to see that we don't just live and die by one player.  Koby, Justin and Dawson were inefficient, but Theo and Jamal stepped up.  The last three years it's been if one particular player has a bad game, we lose, end of discussion.  More balance is better in the long run IMO.

[CTWarrior]

At what level of play?

I am certainly willing to wait and see, but I am not automatically going to say Symir and Dex are taking big, huge, leaps from where they are now, this year, and next year. Cain doesn't have the handles, and has an inconsistent jumper, average defender, but he has the quickness, athleticism, length that I would like to see more of. He has certainly improved this season.

How much better would MU be right now with Symir and Dex? A little? A lot? Greg can shoot it and get to the line in limited sparked minutes at times, but he hasn't been healthy in years.

I'd go do far as to say if Symir was available against Creighton we would have been likely to lose, as minutes for him and less for Greg or DJ or Koby would have hurt the cause.

[tower912]

Two months ago, we had plenty of depth at guard.  Symir was outplaying DJ and therefore started the first few games.  Dexter had a huge summer scrimmaging with pros and hopes were high.  Dexter was knocked out by COVID for 4 weeks and Symir injured his toe.   These are facts. 

In my opinion, Symir can be a very good back up PG this year.  12-15 mpg, sometimes letting DJ slide to the two.   Certainly better than Koby.

My hopes for Dexter for this year diminish by the day.

But our lack of depth at guard is not due to some failing of the coaching staff.   Injuries and illness.

[Hards Alumni]

Two months ago, we had plenty of depth at guard.  Symir was outplaying DJ and therefore started the first few games.  Dexter had a huge summer scrimmaging with pros and hopes were high.  Dexter was knocked out by COVID for 4 weeks and Symir injured his toe.   These are facts. 

In my opinion, Symir can be a very good back up PG this year.  12-15 mpg, sometimes letting DJ slide to the two.   Certainly better than Koby.

My hopes for Dexter for this year diminish by the day.

But our lack of depth at guard is not due to some failing of the coaching staff.   Injuries and illness.

We only got the highlights of Dex... and they were distributed by the guy who stands to make money from the appearance of success.  It was basically a mix tape.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Tough to win when you are only getting 8 foul shots.

[MarquetteDano]

This game is what happens when the core of your team includes two freshman, and almost-freshman in DJ Carton, Akanno and Torrance. One night you'll beat Creighton and the next night you slip on banana peel against thugs like Seton Hall.

It happens.

A year from now, this team pounds Seton Hall into the dirt, head first. They're that good. But they're maddingly inconsistent, which is why coaches often balk at playing freshmen. The turnovers last night are one example. I pulled what's left of my hair out over them. The sloppiness at times was too much to watch. That's a young team trying to find itself.

IF the team stays together.  Wojo has some history of losing key guys to transfer/going pro/etc..  I hope this team stays together.  Then they will be much better next season.

[Uncle Rico]

IF the team stays together.  Wojo has some history of losing key guys to transfer/going pro/etc..  I hope this team stays together.  Then they will be much better next season.

Get older together.  It would be nice to see

[JakeBarnes]

IF the team stays together.  Wojo has some history of losing key guys to transfer/going pro/etc..  I hope this team stays together.  Then they will be much better next season.

Honestly, they will be much better this season too. For example, Dawson has greatly improved already in rebounding. I'd like to see him get a few more moves around the rim and re-establish his confidence in his 3 pt jumper. Lots of guys figuring it out as we go. There's gonna be inconsistency, and as was the case last night, some nights where the shots don't fall and the ball doesn't bounce your way. But what the team doesn't lack is intensity and grit--and this season, that may be enough to keep you in some games.

[MU82]

Honestly, they will be much better this season too.

What Jake says. We already are better than we were 3 weeks ago. I still think this team can be quite good.

IF the team stays together.  Wojo Just about every P6 coach has some history of losing key guys to transfer/going pro/etc..  I hope this team stays together.  Then they will be much better next season.

FIFY

[Slick]

As tough a loss as it was, this team does not know what the word "QUIT" means.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Carton absolutely has the ability to be an NBA point guard...if he can fix his handle. He's a wizard some times but other times he just begs to be turned over.

First of all, I absolutely love having DJ on the team, he is the best PG since Dom perhaps. I think he has the size and athleticism for the NBA, and the loose/careless dribbling is absolutely fixable.

The one thing that the could hold him back in my very unscientific opinion is his jump shot. Seems like his release is far too low to be successful in the NBA. I know it is possible to completely rebuild your jump shot, but I don't imagine it is very easy or a sure thing to do so.

[MU82]

As tough a loss as it was, this team does not know what the word "QUIT" means.

There's no I in QUIT!

[Goose]

While I am disappointed with the loss, I am happy with the look of the team and to a possibly better future. Like our D a lot and hope we can extend it to 3/4 and full court on a more regular basis, but big improvement. Like the two big Freshmen a lot and really, really like Carton. IMO, the PG is the most important position on the court and we have a really good one. He can play both sides of the court, push the ball, makes good decisions and can score. I know I will get heat for this but he is Rick Pitino type PG and I love it.

Probably the most optimistic I have been in a long time that we might be turning the corner. Hoping he can add more pieces on recruiting front and land a top notch transfer or two for next season. I hope the young guys play a ton and looking forward to seeing them improve during the season.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Yea, in years past that's probably a game Seton Hall wins going away. One of those super fun 20 point losses.

[MU82]

While I am disappointed with the loss, I am happy with the look of the team and to a possibly better future. Like our D a lot and hope we can extend it to 3/4 and full court on a more regular basis, but big improvement. Like the two big Freshmen a lot and really, really like Carton. IMO, the PG is the most important position on the court and we have a really good one. He can play both sides of the court, push the ball, makes good decisions and can score. I know I will get heat for this but he is Rick Pitino type PG and I love it.

Probably the most optimistic I have been in a long time that we might be turning the corner. Hoping he can add more pieces on recruiting front and land a top notch transfer or two for next season. I hope the young guys play a ton and looking forward to seeing them improve during the season.

This is kind of where I am too, Goose.

Carton, Garcia and Lewis are Big East players who already have improved since the season started and who have high ceilings. DJ will be the best player on the court in several of our games this season IMHO. We play the kind of D that can keep us in every game. This already has been an entertaining season with two big wins, and I think it can get better if COVID-19 cooperates.

Wojo had very good games against Madison and Creighton, a very bad game against Oklahoma State and in between against the others. Can he continue to improve? We'll see.

[Billy Hoyle]

This game is what happens when the core of your team includes two freshman, and almost-freshman in DJ Carton, Akanno and Torrance. One night you'll beat Creighton and the next night you slip on banana peel against thugs like Seton Hall.

Uh, thugs? 😒

[Silent Verbal]

Uh, thugs? 😒

Yeah, I mean, Ike Obiagu has a 3.9 GPA.