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Author Topic: All Four Major US Sports Leagues Playing at Once  (Read 3936 times)

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Re: All Four Major US Sports Leagues Playing at Once
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2020, 04:51:09 PM »
They have a large Regional fan base in the Midwest and Plains states.
So basically the Electoral College winners of NFL ratings?

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Re: All Four Major US Sports Leagues Playing at Once
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2020, 04:53:13 PM »

The Packers stopped playing in Milwaukee in 1994.  The last score was pretty legendary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C7Y-YWbry8



My dad had Milwaukee “season tickets“ from the mid 70s until the early 80s, when my parents got divorced and dropped them. I probably would have kept them myself if I had been a little older, but I was still a broke undergrad at the time.

We saw some pretty awful games in the 70s and early 80s…

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Re: All Four Major US Sports Leagues Playing at Once
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2020, 06:50:37 PM »

The City of Green Bay doesn't own the team.  It's a non-profit, stock corporation.  So it is owned by shareholders who don't receive any financial benefit from their holdings.

They could most definitely move to Milwaukee, and almost did a couple of times especially early on.  For instance, in 1939 the Packers hosted the NFL Championship Game at the Wisconsin State Fairgrounds instead of Green Bay because of the crowd.  They were on a financial shoestring until the new stadium in the mid 1950s.  There was some talk as late as the late 80s about moving to Milwaukee full time if County Stadium was replaced but it was never that serious.

The Packers stopped playing in Milwaukee in 1994.  The last score was pretty legendary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C7Y-YWbry8

I stand corrected with a caveat: which is why they will never leave Green Bay.

The Green Bay Packers are the only publicly owned team in US professional sports. From its early years a century ago, the team has belonged not to a tycoon but to the people of Green Bay, Wisconsin, and their descendants as a non-profit corporation.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/sep/07/green-bay-packers-fan-owned-nfl-football
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Re: All Four Major US Sports Leagues Playing at Once
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2020, 07:52:33 PM »
I stand corrected with a caveat: which is why they will never leave Green Bay.

The Green Bay Packers are the only publicly owned team in US professional sports. From its early years a century ago, the team has belonged not to a tycoon but to the people of Green Bay, Wisconsin, and their descendants as a non-profit corporation.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/sep/07/green-bay-packers-fan-owned-nfl-football

They won’t now. But it was definitely a possibility early on.
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Re: All Four Major US Sports Leagues Playing at Once
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2020, 09:51:47 PM »
NFL Sunday Game ratings down from last year.

But the Bucs / Saints game was the highest-rated Sunday game in the last four years.

Anyone making wild projections of NFL ratings at this point should probably wait.

Week 1 and the "juggernaut" put up some really bad numbers. (I agree it is too early to call this a trend.  For now, it's a bad week)

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-ratings-sunday-night-football-sees-sharp-decline-in-initial-ratings-161747893.html

Initial ratings are in for the NFL’s Sunday slate of games, and the ratings decline evident from Thursday’s kickoff continued through to the league’s marquee telecast, “Sunday Night Football.” However, Fox Sports recorded its best ratings since 2016 for its Game of the Week.

There was an exception (proving again that the NFL is not really a regionally driven sport)

Sunday afternoon’s marquee game pitted two of the NFL’s most notable players, Tampa Bay’s Tom Brady vs. New Orleans’ Drew Brees. They played in an almost exclusive window as only two other games were airing at the time. The result was a major payoff for Fox.

Saints-Bucs drew a 16.2/35 overnight rating, which was Fox’s highest such rating for a Week 1 game since 2016. Fox Sports PR projects that the game is on pace to become the most-watched event of any kind since the Super Bowl, eclipsing Thursday night’s Chiefs-Texans game and February’s Academy Awards.


And the link above had this section ...

Working theories of why fans are tuning in or tuning out

Critics of the NFL who wish to use the SNF ratings as a political cudgel will contend that the ratings are diving because the NFL has taken a more socially progressive stance this season. It’s a theory that, at first blush, could hold water, since Dallas is typically one of the top draws in sports.

On the other hand, the Fox numbers seem to indicate that matchups do matter, and that NFL fans will follow a game that they want to see regardless of politics.

We’ll need more data points before we can legitimately call any movement, positive or negative, a trend, and even more data than that before we can accurately say that political protest is the sole, primary, or even a significant reason for any decline.

As we documented last week, there are multiple drivers that have an impact on NFL ratings — lack of a preseason, overall audience dissatisfaction or lack of interest in sports after the pandemic, and so on — but without more information, it’s impossible to rank the strength and validity of these drivers on anything more factual than feelings and hunches.

Regardless, expect the NFL to take a close look at the numbers and adjust its sails to account for which way the wind is blowing. Whereas Thursday night’s game featured a heavy dose of emphasis on the league’s social justice messaging, Sunday night’s — with the exact same production and broadcast team in place — gave little acknowledgement to the stances of the players or the league. Pregame shows on Sunday either placed segments on social justice in the beginning or middle of their broadcasts, well away from the 1 p.m. Eastern kickoff. We’ll have to see if that continues going forward.

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Re: All Four Major US Sports Leagues Playing at Once
« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2020, 08:02:52 AM »
I agree with that article.  Balanced, with no hot takes.
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Re: All Four Major US Sports Leagues Playing at Once
« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2020, 04:44:40 PM »
From The Athletic:

Kaplan: The NFL’s Week 1 ratings are down, but not as dramatic as reported

NFL TV ratings, and viewership for all sports, were always going to be a political football in this crazy election year, with teams and leagues to a varying degree embracing social justice initiatives.

So when reports emerged Friday that the NFL’s Thursday night season opener shed over 2 million viewers, a double-digit percent decline, the news gained traction with headlines like “NFL Ratings Crash Over 16% for Woke Season Opener.” And similar reaction repeated itself after a report yesterday of an even larger decline for “Sunday Night Football” of more than 20 percent. President Donald Trump, who has used the NFL as a punching bag in previous years, said at a campaign rally that the NFL was “boring.”

But here’s the thing: While those earlier TV ratings reports were not “fake news,” they were incomplete. The earlier reported figures were a snapshot of the audience, and too low. The numbers weren’t wrong at the time, but it is akin to reporting vote totals before the counting has finished. When NBC’s final viewership figures came in, ratings for the season opener were down a more modest 5 percent.

“Every morning Nielsen puts out preliminary national ratings that reflect the times that entertainment programming airs,” said a broadcasting executive at one of the networks that carries NFL games. “So if ‘The Simpsons’ airs at 8 p.m. ET and 8 p.m. PT, that’s reflected in those prelim numbers … But sports obviously air live. So when an NFL game runs from 8-11 ET and 5-8 PT, what Nielsen (preliminarily) reports is 8-11 PT, which is local programming that rates much lower than the game. This happens every time there’s a major primetime sports event. The Nielsen prelim number is always inaccurate and the inaccuracy is always on the low side. It’s frustrating and it’s usually an inaccurate number that’s reported by entertainment press (for whom these prelim numbers are typically pretty reliable) rather than sports press.”

“If you were to look at a basket of rationales or reasons why the ratings are down, I think the social justice movement piece of it is not even within the top five reasons why the NFL ratings are down if it’s even in there,” said Dan Cohen, senior vice president of Octagon’s global media rights consulting division, talking specifically about football. “First and foremost, it’s about cord-cutting. And that is across the board … Number two, is because of the fact that this fragmentation of content is at an all-time high. I mean, the proliferation of new platforms is, there’s over 300 different platforms of video content to subscribe to now to watch in terms of, and that’s just, that’s not linear, those are digital platforms in the U.S.

“Eleven times this month, you’re going to have all the major sports on television the same day,” Cohen added. “That’s only happened six times in history.”

Full story:
https://theathletic.com/2068692/2020/09/15/kaplan-the-nfls-week-1-ratings-are-down-but-not-as-dramatic-as-reported/

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Re: All Four Major US Sports Leagues Playing at Once
« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2020, 09:13:17 PM »
The reason the Packers started playing games in Milwaukee was because of George Halas’ urging the team to do so in the 50’s, so they would survive financially. Lambeau Field existing and the Packers still being in Green Bay is due in large part to Halas.

Halas definitely had his own motivation ($$$) to keep the Packers afloat. But he is a crucial figure in Packers history.

 

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