BLM/White Privilege/etc

[Pakuni]

White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

White priviledge is wearing that 25 year old pink polo in public.  Look at that thing.

[Hards Alumni]

White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.

She has clearly never fired a gun in her life.  Finger on the trigger, no stance, and her wrist would probably shatter if she did squeeze one off.

And don't get me started about her husband.  Not where the stock butt goes at all.  They've seen too many movies.

[Pakuni]

White priviledge is wearing that 25 year old pink polo in public.  Look at that thing.

He at least could have popped the collar, you know?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

White priviledge is having gaudy taste yet still having your house profiled in a local magazine.

https://www.stlmag.com/design/a-decades-long-renovation-returns-a-midwestern-palazzo-to-it/

[jesmu84]

White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.

To be fair, they spent most of their time pointing their guns at each other than people walking by

[Pakuni]

To be fair, they spent most of their time pointing their guns at each other than people walking by

I never claimed they were good at it.

[Billy Hoyle]

White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.

Missouri Castle Doctrine (one can have a separate debate on this law) governs here as the protesters were on private property. They're psychos but under the law, they didn't do anything wrong (and the protesters were in the wrong neighborhood):

"Anders Walker, a constitutional law professor at St. Louis University, said that although it's "very dangerous" to engage protesters with guns, the homeowners broke no laws by brandishing or pointing weapons at them because Portland Place is a private street. He said the McCloskeys are protected by Missouri's Castle Doctrine, which allows people to use deadly force to defend private property.

"At any point that you enter the property, they can then, in Missouri, use deadly force to get you off the lawn," Walker said, calling the state's Castle Doctrine a "force field" that "indemnifies you, and you can even pull the trigger in Missouri."

Luckily, Walker said, no one got shot.

"There's no right to protest on those streets," Walker said. "The protesters thought they had a right to protest, but as a technical matter, they were not allowed to be there. ... It’s essentially a private estate. If anyone was violating the law, it was the protesters. In fact, if (the McCloskeys) have photos of the protesters, they could go after them for trespassing.""

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/couple-points-guns-at-protesters-marching-to-st-louis-mayor-s-home-to-demand-resignation/article_9edc57ed-c307-583f-9226-a44ba6ac9c03.html

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Yeah they were on a private street.  My understanding is that Ken and Karen don't own the street, but are members of the association that does.

[Hards Alumni]

I don't think anyone is arguing what they did was illegal... but they look like idiots.

[wadesworld]

White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.

But the 12 year old black kid with a toy gun at the park is shot within 6 seconds of police arriving at the park. BUT WHITE PEOPLE GET KILLED BY COPS TOO!

At least Ners leaves no doubt.

[Pakuni]

Missouri Castle Doctrine (one can have a separate debate on this law) governs here as the protesters were on private property. They're psychos but under the law, they didn't do anything wrong (and the protesters were in the wrong neighborhood):

"Anders Walker, a constitutional law professor at St. Louis University, said that although it's "very dangerous" to engage protesters with guns, the homeowners broke no laws by brandishing or pointing weapons at them because Portland Place is a private street. He said the McCloskeys are protected by Missouri's Castle Doctrine, which allows people to use deadly force to defend private property.

There's some debate here. The law states a person can use deadly force "to the extent he or she reasonably believes such force to be necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful force by such other person.”
It also states such force may be used "against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter private property that is owned or leased by an individual.”

The question here, then, is whether it's reasonable to believe the people walking past their home were going to "imminently use unlawful force" against them? There seems to be no evidence of that.
Likewise, the street is not owned by an individual, but rather an association.
The mere fact they were walking down a private street would not seem to enact the Castle Doctrine, at least not how it's written.

[shoothoops]

With regards to the St. Louis couple, there has been some discussion as to the specifics of the law, meaning the couple can protect their physical home but not the rest of their property, nor the street, nor the neighborhood. That is being debated under Missouri law.

The property and neighborhood is private and all fees upkeep to the streets etc are paid by the home owners. There are several of these gated streets, seven figure historic homes in the Central West End (CWE) St. Louis City neighborhood. Most of the time there are big closed gates. Some of the streets are not gated.

This couple's home is the first house off of a very busy wide several lane street called Kingshighway. Rick Majerus used to live one block away. It is a very racially diverse, eclectic, upper middle class to wealthy area with a lot going on.....They had a broken small gated door partially open and some protestors (on their way to the Mayor's house) turned off of the large busy street to cut through. The protestors immediately entered private property but again there has been some debate to what the couple and cannot protect. None of the protestors were going up to their home, just passing by on their way elsewhere. The couple is a bit out of place in the sense that this is not a "Trump" friendly type of neighborhood.

The backstory is that the Mayor (Moderate Democrat only in office a few years) out of frustrated spite read the names of people with addresses that had proposed specific police reform, budgets. Krewson is very police friendly. It was a big mistake. So, many organized a march to her home in protest for reading the names. 50,000 people signed a petition for her resignation. (She isn't resigning and she will run for re-election)

The couple are personal injury attorneys, mostly death, severe injury cases. They know exactly what to say after the fact tp say they felt threatened etc...it was a random thing that they happened to have the first house, that protestors cut through on their way elsewhere.



 

[Uncle Rico]

White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.

The first time that dude actually fires that gun, he’s going backwards 30 feet

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.

Vineyard Vines Mafia

[Jockey]

Maybe they want to run for Congress. It worked for the nutty lady in Colorado.

[rocket surgeon]

But the 12 year old black kid with a toy gun at the park is shot within 6 seconds of police arriving at the park. BUT WHITE PEOPLE GET KILLED BY COPS TOO!

At least Ners leaves no doubt.

you haven't been paying attention wades-there ain't no cops around.  and they ain't coming even if you call them.

    you hear any of the 9-11 calls, people pleading for help?

  here's one-put yourself in this mother's position-helpless?? 

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2020/july/frightened-mom-trapped-in-car-by-protesters-told-to-call-city-hall-by-911-operator

[wadesworld]

you haven't been paying attention wades-there ain't no cops around.  and they ain't coming even if you call them.

    you hear any of the 9-11 calls, people pleading for help?

  here's one-put yourself in this mother's position-helpless?? 

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2020/july/frightened-mom-trapped-in-car-by-protesters-told-to-call-city-hall-by-911-operator

Ahh. Got it. So if the police could’ve made there way there they would’ve fired at the white adults wielding real guns at innocent protesters like they fired at the 12 year old child with a toy gun within 6 seconds of arriving at the scene. I totally believe you rocket.   

Just like they did to the “patriots” carrying their assault rifles into state capitols and yelling in the face of police officers right?

Honest question for you. When white people post pictures on their social media showing off all their dope guns, why are they considered patriots when someone like Treyvon Martin posts a picture of a gun (not even himself holding it) and he’s a “thug” and it’s used to win the court of public opinion, as if he deserved to be murdered for walking unarmed through his dad’s community by a guy who is told to back down? Why the double standard?

[Pakuni]

you haven't been paying attention wades-there ain't no cops around.  and they ain't coming even if you call them.

    you hear any of the 9-11 calls, people pleading for help?

  here's one-put yourself in this mother's position-helpless?? 

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2020/july/frightened-mom-trapped-in-car-by-protesters-told-to-call-city-hall-by-911-operator

Hard to believe, but Pat Robertson's news channel didn't exactly tell the full story.

https://www.fredericksburg.com/watch-now-911-call-during-protest-reverberates-in-fredericksburg/article_f3b9488f-e726-56ff-95ea-cb1373c1cc4e.html

And seriously, rocket, you're now getting your news from the 700 Club?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Hard to believe, but Pat Robertson's news channel didn't exactly tell the full story.

https://www.fredericksburg.com/watch-now-911-call-during-protest-reverberates-in-fredericksburg/article_f3b9488f-e726-56ff-95ea-cb1373c1cc4e.html

And seriously, rocket, you're now getting your news from the 700 Club?

It was a Tucker Carlson/Faux News story. What a surprise.

[rocket surgeon]

Hard to believe, but Pat Robertson's news channel didn't exactly tell the full story.

https://www.fredericksburg.com/watch-now-911-call-during-protest-reverberates-in-fredericksburg/article_f3b9488f-e726-56ff-95ea-cb1373c1cc4e.html

And seriously, rocket, you're now getting your news from the 700 Club?

  no, but why is the fredericksburg.com anymore reputable than the 700 club one or tucker carlson story?  do they have more "experts" there? 
fredericksburg, that sounds kinda like indigenous land taken from some innocent american indians

you guys are always saying that we should widen our news horizons

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

  no, but why is the fredericksburg.com anymore reputable than the 700 club one or tucker carlson story?  do they have more "experts" there? 
fredericksburg, that sounds kinda like indigenous land taken from some innocent american indians

you guys are always saying that we should widen our news horizons

Because they told the whole story and didn't leave out parts to fit their narrative.  They are banking on their viewers to take them at face value and not look around for the whole story.

And guess what?  It apparently works.

[shoothoops]

With regards to the St. Louis couple, there has been some discussion as to the specifics of the law, meaning the couple can protect their physical home but not the rest of their property, nor the street, nor the neighborhood. That is being debated under Missouri law.

The property and neighborhood is private and all fees upkeep to the streets etc are paid by the home owners. There are several of these gated streets, seven figure historic homes in the Central West End (CWE) St. Louis City neighborhood. Most of the time there are big closed gates. Some of the streets are not gated.

This couple's home is the first house off of a very busy wide several lane street called Kingshighway. Rick Majerus used to live one block away. It is a very racially diverse, eclectic, upper middle class to wealthy area with a lot going on.....They had a broken small gated door partially open and some protestors (on their way to the Mayor's house) turned off of the large busy street to cut through. The protestors immediately entered private property but again there has been some debate to what the couple and cannot protect. None of the protestors were going up to their home, just passing by on their way elsewhere. The couple is a bit out of place in the sense that this is not a "Trump" friendly type of neighborhood.

The backstory is that the Mayor (Moderate Democrat only in office a few years) out of frustrated spite read the names of people with addresses that had proposed specific police reform, budgets. Krewson is very police friendly. It was a big mistake. So, many organized a march to her home in protest for reading the names. 50,000 people signed a petition for her resignation. (She isn't resigning and she will run for re-election)

The couple are personal injury attorneys, mostly death, severe injury cases. They know exactly what to say after the fact tp say they felt threatened etc...it was a random thing that they happened to have the first house, that protestors cut through on their way elsewhere.

Not surprising that more than a few dozen of their neighbors in Westmoreland Place and Portland Place have signed a letter in support of the protestors, not the couple.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/i-d-do-it-all-again-says-armed-lawyer-who-confronted-st-louis-protesters/article_e4b5d080-62ec-51e1-85e8-3d8c909730e5.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

Not the first time they pulled a gun.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/columns/tony-messenger/messenger-this-wasn-t-the-first-time-the-mccloskeys-pulled-a-gun-to-protect-property/article_fc2a31b1-5f7b-55d5-83e3-8b3ca1211c7c.amp.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share&__twitter_impression=true

[Pakuni]

  no, but why is the fredericksburg.com anymore reputable than the 700 club one or tucker carlson story? 

Because the fredricksburg site not only got the woman's account, but also that of the police, city hall and the protesters. This creates a full picture of what actually occurred, rather than relying on one person's version of events cribbed from a radio interview.
Isn't "fair and balanced" what you're all about?

[dgies9156]

White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.

You sure this is a BLM issue and not a couple of Cardinal fans worried that a Cub sympathizer moved into the neighborhood?

Remember folks, this is St. Louis!

(Injecting some levity here)