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Author Topic: Jon Rothstein Big East Offseason Breakdown  (Read 3770 times)

MU82

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Re: Jon Rothstein Big East Offseason Breakdown
« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2020, 03:29:47 PM »
So is Cooley better than a guy who finishes 3-14, 8-9, 5-7, 8-8, 1-6, and 1-6?

Maybe, maybe not.

I see no evidence, including head-to-head competition, that either is better than the other.

And nobody was claiming Wojo is a great finisher. Anybody who does needs his or her head examined. However, somebody did try to claim that Cooley is a great closer, but his long-term record shows otherwise.
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Re: Jon Rothstein Big East Offseason Breakdown
« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2020, 03:33:59 PM »
He's 7-6 in big east tournaments according wiki but I count 8-5.. with 3 of those coming from 2014. Please tell me, what does quite well mean? .500 to close out 4/6 years and a game above .500 in 5/6 big east tournaments plus 1 ncaa win. You're just wrong and doubling down on your original statement.

1-1 2019
2-1 2018
0-1 2017
1-1 2016
1-1 2015
3-0 2014

Finals 2018, lost to Villanova in OT
Semis 2016, lost to Villanova 76-68
Semis 2015, lost to Villanova 63-61
Title 2014, beat Creighton 65-58

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Re: Jon Rothstein Big East Offseason Breakdown
« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2020, 04:03:15 PM »
Finals 2018, lost to Villanova in OT
Semis 2016, lost to Villanova 76-68
Semis 2015, lost to Villanova 63-61
Title 2014, beat Creighton 65-58

Yes you can make records sound flashy by labeling rounds as semifinals etc when in reality it's 1-1
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Re: Jon Rothstein Big East Offseason Breakdown
« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2020, 05:52:55 PM »
7th in BEast is typical for a Wojo led MU team. A little bit worse than mediocre. Same old same old

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Re: Jon Rothstein Big East Offseason Breakdown
« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2020, 05:53:59 PM »
Ed Cooley and Providence KenPom numbers since 2015:

2020: 40th overall, 75th offense, 20th defense
2019: 79, 164, 41
2018: 63, 100, 36
2017: 60, 101, 40
2016: 44, 92, 28
2015: 27, 42, 42
2014: 48, 30, 94

He is who he is.  It could be this is as good as Providence can be on a regular basis.  Whatever the case, there appears to be a ceiling.  He’s done great work at Providence.  They haven’t been this consistent in a long time.  All that said, until he fixes his offensive scheme, they are a good team with limitations that the coach isn’t addressing
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Re: Jon Rothstein Big East Offseason Breakdown
« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2020, 05:54:20 PM »
7th in BEast is typical for a Wojo led MU team. A little bit worse than mediocre. Same old same old

Thanks, Willie!
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Re: Jon Rothstein Big East Offseason Breakdown
« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2020, 09:16:06 PM »
He is who he is.  It could be this is as good as Providence can be on a regular basis.  Whatever the case, there appears to be a ceiling.  He’s done great work at Providence.  They haven’t been this consistent in a long time.  All that said, until he fixes his offensive scheme, they are a good team with limitations that the coach isn’t addressing

My last points on Cooley:

1. He's in the top three of Big East coaches not named Jay Wright, in the conversation with McDermott, a peer with Willard. (Wojo, close.) Cooley gets more out of his teams than most, and PC just doesn't get a lot of talent. That's going to be a bigger problem now that UConn returns and works the same regional pipeline that PC does.

2. PC basketball is a roller-coaster. For every Rick Pitino there was a Gordie Chiesa, for every Rick Barnes or Pete Gillen, there was a Keno Davis or Tim Welsh. Cooley's five straight NCAA's and seven consecutive post season appearances have only been matched twice in school history, most recently by Dave Gavitt (1970-78). He's a local guy  that's not looking to pressure the college for more money like Chris Mack did at Xavier. PC will never be great, but they will always be good--and for most PC fans, that's fine for them.



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Re: Jon Rothstein Big East Offseason Breakdown
« Reply #57 on: June 28, 2020, 07:34:57 AM »
Thanks, Willie!
You are welcome. Great minds think similarly.

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Re: Jon Rothstein Big East Offseason Breakdown
« Reply #58 on: June 29, 2020, 02:08:33 PM »
Also think people like that his teams play more of an old school gritty defense first brand of ball that the conference is famous for, rather than the 5 out 3-fest that the game is heading towards.  The thing is though, that you really need big athletic guards in order for that style to be effective.  If you're swapping 6'-7" Alpha Diallo and 6'-3" Maliek White for 5'-10" Jared Bynum, that style of ball won't be as effective.

Actually, they're swapping 5'11" Luwane Pipkins for 5'10" Jared Bynum, so not that different.
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Re: Jon Rothstein Big East Offseason Breakdown
« Reply #59 on: June 29, 2020, 02:25:12 PM »
Actually, they're swapping 5'11" Luwane Pipkins for 5'10" Jared Bynum, so not that different.

Except that Bynum is shorter, lighter, a worse defender, scored less, and had a significantly lower assist % while in the same league. 

PC as a whole lost 5 Seniors and are bringing in 4 players to replace them, 2 mid major transfers, a 200+ ranked Freshman and a 300+ ranked Freshman.  I stand by my assessment that they'll take a step back next year.

 

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