HBCU and Recruiting

[Uncle Rico]

Don’t want this to get lost in the recruiting thread but it’s something I think will gather steam and could shake up the recruiting world. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/mikey-williams-considering-an-hbcu-a-move-that-could-shake-up-college-basketball-150047572.html

[Galway Eagle]

I'd be shocked if he goes to college or is eligible. Cannot stand his cocky attitude

[muguru]

I hope these HBCU schools eventually land a kid like this and it starts a trend. It would be great to see the bluebloods have to tuck their tails between their legs because they lost out on a one and done to an HBCU. They would be royalty(forever) at one of these schools, and it's not like it's going to affect their draft stock in any way.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I hope these HBCU schools eventually land a kid like this and it starts a trend. It would be great to see the bluebloods have to tuck their tails between their legs because they lost out on a one and done to an HBCU. They would be royalty(forever) at one of these schools, and it's not like it's going to affect their draft stock in any way.

They'll just go to the next on their list.  No biggie for them.

[Dawson Rental]

A few could go.  But, I'd be shocked if it was more than a very few.  Facilities are poor, and so are the amenities.  Long bus rides to games, anyone?  Too many will be justly concerned that their development will be held back by not playing with and against the best.

A gut check is the fact that the very best African-American players dream of getting recruited to Kentucky where they play in an arena named for an avowed racist for the state university of the very last state to ratify the 13th amendment in the 1970's.

[Galway Eagle]

A few could go.  But, I'd be shocked if it was more than a very few.  Facilities are poor, and so are the amenities.  Long bus rides to games, anyone?  Too many will be justly concerned that their development will be held back by not playing with and against the best.

A gut check is the fact that the very best African-American players dream of getting recruited to Kentucky where they play in an arena named for an avowed racist for the state university of the very last state to ratify the 13th amendment in the 1970's.

Fun story, my English 2 professor at MU went to Kentucky and wouldn't shut up about how much bigger basketball was there and how we wouldn't understand then she said something where I put my hand up and said "yeah I'd say that to if our famous coach was as old rupp" she got so offended she shut down class and had to speak with me after. Think I skipped the next four classes. But seriously how can alumni both love him then hate him in the same sentence?

[CTWarrior]

Don’t want this to get lost in the recruiting thread but it’s something I think will gather steam and could shake up the recruiting world. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/mikey-williams-considering-an-hbcu-a-move-that-could-shake-up-college-basketball-150047572.html

Playing basketball at an HBCU is a very tough move.  Not because the schools aren't good, but because you spend all November and December travelling, and for the most part they don't have the facilities and support system that the big boys do.  I saw a segment on Bryant Gumbel's HBO show about it, and those kids have a real tough time of it.

[muwarrior69]

A few could go.  But, I'd be shocked if it was more than a very few.  Facilities are poor, and so are the amenities.  Long bus rides to games, anyone?  Too many will be justly concerned that their development will be held back by not playing with and against the best.

A gut check is the fact that the very best African-American players dream of getting recruited to Kentucky where they play in an arena named for an avowed racist for the state university of the very last state to ratify the 13th amendment in the 1970's.

Well technically the amendment did not meet the 2/3 threshold in the House or Senate as none of the Southern state representatives were present. I believe a 1867 SCOTUS decision ruled that none of those states had the authority to secede from the Union without the consent of the congress. None the less they are a part of our constitution.

[jesmu84]

Interesting

[Hards Alumni]

Wow.

Lots of true colors coming out lately

I mean, that's just history.  What's the issue?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Well technically the amendment did not meet the 2/3 threshold in the House or Senate as none of the Southern state representatives were present. I believe a 1867 SCOTUS decision ruled that none of those states had the authority to secede from the Union without the consent of the congress. None the less they are a part of our constitution.

It met the threshold.  The rebellious states never held elections to seat House members and the Senators all resigned. 

[jesmu84]

I mean, that's just history.  What's the issue?

Maybe nothing.

Or maybe multiple posts in different threads... A+B=C

Or maybe I'm just reading too much into random, unrelated posts

[mileskishnish72]

A few could go.  But, I'd be shocked if it was more than a very few.  Facilities are poor, and so are the amenities.  Long bus rides to games, anyone?  Too many will be justly concerned that their development will be held back by not playing with and against the best.

A gut check is the fact that the very best African-American players dream of getting recruited to Kentucky where they play in an arena named for an avowed racist for the state university of the very last state to ratify the 13th amendment in the 1970's.

13th Amendment, 1970's?? It was ratified by enough states, and subsequently enacted shortly after the Civil War, no?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

13th Amendment, 1970's?? It was ratified by enough states, and subsequently enacted shortly after the Civil War, no?

Yes, but a number of states symbolically ratified it later.

And Mississippi ratifed it in the 1990s.

[marquette20]

Speaking of HBCU recruiting. El Ellis one of the best JUCOs next year who Marquette had reached out to at some point is down to 8 schools like Louisville Texas Tech UConn and included NC Central in the cut. Will be interesting to see if any of these kids actually go to one of these schools. I still think the resources are just too big of a disadvantage to make up. I think it may take a booster putting up money for the basketball team and there are not many NBA players from HBCU with Kyle O’Quinn being the only one that comes to mind right now.

[Billy Hoyle]

Playing basketball at an HBCU is a very tough move.  Not because the schools aren't good, but because you spend all November and December travelling, and for the most part they don't have the facilities and support system that the big boys do.  I saw a segment on Bryant Gumbel's HBO show about it, and those kids have a real tough time of it.

Howard is the HBCU most likely to be able to do it. They are in a higher level conference now, they're in a major media market, they are a private school which doesn't have to worry about state funding being gutted, and they don't have to travel much due to their location. The longest distance they traveled for a game this past year was to Notre Dame and they can get decent home games. I've met kids and coaches who have played for Jackson State, Grambling, FAMU and others and talked to them about what they go through. It's a hard life during the non-conference when they're on the road and all over the country for the entire time. SWAC schools have it the worst.

[Dawson Rental]

Yes, but a number of states symbolically ratified it later.

And Mississippi ratifed it in the 1990s.

Correct, I got it wrong, Mississippi was the last one to ratify.  Kentucky ratified in 1976, and Mississippi in 1995, both had previously rejected the amendment in 1865. 

[panda]

Howard is the HBCU most likely to be able to do it. They are in a higher level conference now, they're in a major media market, they are a private school which doesn't have to worry about state funding being gutted, and they don't have to travel much due to their location. The longest distance they traveled for a game this past year was to Notre Dame and they can get decent home games. I've met kids and coaches who have played for Jackson State, Grambling, FAMU and others and talked to them about what they go through. It's a hard life during the non-conference when they're on the road and all over the country for the entire time. SWAC schools have it the worst.

MEAC stinks as well

[Billy Hoyle]

MEAC stinks as well

Was thinking they left. It was Hampton who did.

Still, the MEAC is in a better place geographically so teams can bus to more NC games with fewer extended road trips.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

FAMU is leaving the MEAC for the SWAC. So I doubt the MEAC has it better.

[Lennys Tap]

Would it be awesome if top black players said no to Kentucky and yes to Grambling St? You bet.

But the deck (and the $$$) is stacked against them.

[GooooMarquette]

Would it be awesome if top black players said no to Kentucky and yes to Grambling St? You bet.

But the deck (and the $$$) is stacked against them.

Agreed on both points.

[Billy Hoyle]

FAMU is leaving the MEAC for the SWAC. So I doubt the MEAC has it better.

Football and geography. The were on an island in Florida compared to the rest of the conference and football took a hit with Hampton and NC A&T leaving for the Big South.

Would it be awesome if top black players said no to Kentucky and yes to Grambling St? You bet.

But the deck (and the $$$) is stacked against them.

I doubt things have improved much at Grambling since this came out: 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/swac/2013/10/21/grambling-players-provide-shocking-details-former-coach-swayed-them-back-out-of-protest/3144353/

[Its DJOver]

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1272599052924772352?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Interesting idea, not sure how well it would actually work.

[Billy Hoyle]

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1272599052924772352?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Interesting idea, not sure how well it would actually work.

does it help the cause when all the ACC schools win by 20+? 

Unless they give the HBCU schools a home game it's a hollow gesture.

[Billy Hoyle]

Give it up to ND. They’re going to play at Howard on MLK Day.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/notre-dame-to-play-away-game-at-hbcu-for-first-time-when-it-travels-to-howard-on-mlk-day/

[Uncle Rico]

Makur Maker chooses Howard over Kentucky, Memphis and UCLA amongst others

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Makur Maker chooses Howard over Kentucky, Memphis and UCLA amongst others

Imagine being a Howard fanatic and then all of a sudden you land a 5*

[We R Final Four]

Howard fanatic....I'm sure they exist, they just have never been seen by the public.

[Herman Cain]

Makur Maker chooses Howard over Kentucky, Memphis and UCLA amongst others

This is excellent news. Hope more players follow . 

[DFW HOYA]

This is excellent news. Hope more players follow .

Howard was 4-29 in 2019-20, NET of 349 (out of 353), averaged 1,140 a game. Their top two scorers graduated.

[Billy Hoyle]

Not that Howard would have big time athletics boosters but what are the odds someone or an organization (maybe a shoe company) made it worth Maker’s while to pick Howard?

[Hards Alumni]

Not that Howard would have big time athletics boosters but what are the odds someone or an organization (maybe a shoe company) made it worth Maker’s while to pick Howard?

I'm going with zero. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Howard has a profile very similar to Marquette.  It's not like he's heading to Mississippi Valley State.

[Lennys Tap]

Howard was 4-29 in 2019-20, NET of 349 (out of 353), averaged 1,140 a game. Their top two scorers graduated.

Makur probably figures with the two top scorers gone he has a chance to get meaningful minutes.

[warriorchick]

Howard has a profile very similar to Marquette.  It's not like he's heading to Mississippi Valley State.

Yep.  It and Spelman are generally considered to be the top HBCU schools academically.  And Spelman is women-only, so.....

[Billy Hoyle]

Howard has a profile very similar to Marquette.  It's not like he's heading to Mississippi Valley State.

one of my best friends at MU (and senior year roommate) was headed to Howard. Then he went up for their version of "Preview." He and some others were stuck in the airport for two hours as the school forgot to pick them up. By the time they got to campus they couldn't go out because the gates were locked due to the neighborhood around campus at the time being so rough. He made the switch to MU a few days later.

[GooooMarquette]

one of my best friends at MU (and senior year roommate) was headed to Howard. Then he went up for their version of "Preview." He and some others were stuck in the airport for two hours as the school forgot to pick them up. By the time they got to campus they couldn't go out because the gates were locked due to the neighborhood around campus at the time being so rough. He made the switch to MU a few days later.

To be fair, many top-tier schools are in bad neighborhoods. Columbia and UChicago are incredible schools in neighborhoods that have fluctuated between so-so and pretty bad over the past few decades. Case Western is a great school in a downright scary part of Cleveland. Even the neighborhood around MU was dramatically worse in the 70s and 80s than it is today.

I certainly don't fault your friend for making the choice he did, but the point stands that Howard is a very good school. The daughter of a friend went there for undergrad and law school, and now is a very respected professor at U of Minnesota Law School.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

To be fair, many top-tier schools are in bad neighborhoods. Columbia and UChicago are incredible schools in neighborhoods that have fluctuated between so-so and pretty bad over the past few decades. Case Western is a great school in a downright scary part of Cleveland. Even the neighborhood around MU was dramatically worse in the 70s and 80s than it is today.

Are you sure about Case Western?  I have a friend who is a professor there and he lives within a few blocks of campus. 

[Royale]

Howard has a profile very similar to Marquette.  It's not like he's heading to Mississippi Valley State.

This isn't accurate. Marquette is a superior academic institution by general academic benchmarks (as supplied by federal Department of Education).

Marquette ACT quartiles: 24-29
Howard ACT quartiles: 22-27

Marquette retention and graduation rates: 87%, 84%
Howard retention and graduation rates: 85%, 65%

Marquette acceptance rate: 83%
Howard acceptance rate: 36%

Those numbers aren't dramatically different (and Howard clearly receives more applications), but by these measures, Marquette is a better school. That said, Howard is an excellent school that serves a different mandate than Marquette.

[oldwarrior81]

I believe I was just a few blocks from the Howard campus a couple years ago.  I think it's called the Shaw District, Area or Neighborhood.

Reminded me more of the area around DePaul that is being bought up and remodeled with expensive homes.

There still could be some sketchy areas bordering the campus, but it appeared quite affluent where I was.

[GooooMarquette]

Are you sure about Case Western?  I have a friend who is a professor there and he lives within a few blocks of campus.

A friend's daughter just graduated from there, and her mom said students were frequently warned not to leave the immediate campus alone.

Maybe there's a nice neighborhood just abutting the campus in one direction, but everything the students need is in the other directions? Not sure about the specifics, just going on what our friend has told us.

[JakeBarnes]

I think I was just a few blocks from the Howard campus a couple years ago.

Reminded me more of the area around DePaul that is being bought up and remodeled with expensive homes.

There still could be some sketchy areas bordering the campus, but it appeared quite affluent where I was.

Uh...the whole neighborhood around depaul is pretty pricey. It's pretty much been "bought up" already. Unfortunately for them, me and my 2br condo are slummy holdouts preventing their $3MM super homes.

[oldwarrior81]

I just googled the Shaw Neighborhood and it borders Howard.   The average home price is $731 per foot.  So for $800,000 you can get an 1100 s/f revamped mini-Victorian.
There also is a region nearby called Little Ethiopia. 

[Dawson Rental]

I just googled the Shaw Neighborhood and it borders Howard.   The average home price is $731 per foot.  So for $800,000 you can get an 1100 s/f revamped mini-Victorian.
There also is a region nearby called Little Ethiopia.

If Little Ethiopia is bordered by Little Somalia that could explain the warnings.

[jesmu84]

Makur makur staying at Howard