Corona PPE/supplies

[jesmu84]

Lots of sad stuff going on...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/27/republican-fundraiser-company-coronavirus-152184

https://wfpl.org/federal-government-outbids-kentucky-for-medical-equipment-amid-shortage/

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/you-need-to-look-at-this

[Jockey]

Lots of sad stuff going on...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/27/republican-fundraiser-company-coronavirus-152184

https://wfpl.org/federal-government-outbids-kentucky-for-medical-equipment-amid-shortage/

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/you-need-to-look-at-this

Should we be surprised?

The corruption and lack of leadership at the top is stunningly obvious. The prez already has appointed one of his cronies to oversee things.

The private companies that are allowed to buy this equipment to re-sell (price gouge) are just the 2020 version oh Halliburton.

When the full truth comes out, we will see a lot of Trump’s cronies made a lot of money.

[forgetful]

Lots of sad stuff going on...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/27/republican-fundraiser-company-coronavirus-152184

https://wfpl.org/federal-government-outbids-kentucky-for-medical-equipment-amid-shortage/

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/you-need-to-look-at-this

I've seen some of the price gouging. Got an email from a supplier saying they had a ton of N95 masks. first come first serve, no limits. They were charging 6x the normal price.

But there is the flip side of it. My lab donated all our PPE to the local hospital that was running short. A full van full.

[jesmu84]

Updates today seem to indicate feds are seizing shipments that were ordered by individual states.

What. The. unnatural carnal knowledge.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Updates today seem to indicate feds are seizing shipments that were ordered by individual states.

What. The. unnatural carnal knowledge.

Source?

[jesmu84]

Source?

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/whats-up-with-the-feds-seizing-ppe-shipments-to-states-and-hospitals

Within that article are links to various examples of this taking place

[ZiggysFryBoy]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/whats-up-with-the-feds-seizing-ppe-shipments-to-states-and-hospitals

Within that article are links to various examples of this taking place

Talking points memo is peer reviewed?

[jesmu84]

Talking points memo is peer reviewed?

Got it. Sorry you couldn't be bothered to open/click/read

https://khn.org/news/trump-administration-uses-wartime-powers-to-be-first-in-line-on-medical-supplies-ppe/

https://www.wcvb.com/article/3-million-masks-ordered-by-massachusetts-were-confiscated-in-port-of-new-york/32021700

http://archive.is/iLgyv

https://www.coloradopolitics.com/coronavirus/gov-jared-polis-fema-took-our-ventilators-out-from-under-us/article_29f23eba-76a1-11ea-a065-f7f95e2756a1.html

[Jockey]

Talking points memo is peer reviewed?

Must protect Dear Leader. Must protect Dear Leader. Must protect Dear Leader. Must protect Dear Leader.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Got it. Sorry you couldn't be bothered to open/click/read

https://khn.org/news/trump-administration-uses-wartime-powers-to-be-first-in-line-on-medical-supplies-ppe/

https://www.wcvb.com/article/3-million-masks-ordered-by-massachusetts-were-confiscated-in-port-of-new-york/32021700

http://archive.is/iLgyv

https://www.coloradopolitics.com/coronavirus/gov-jared-polis-fema-took-our-ventilators-out-from-under-us/article_29f23eba-76a1-11ea-a065-f7f95e2756a1.html

Its a joke. Relax.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Must protect Dear Leader. Must protect Dear Leader. Must protect Dear Leader. Must protect Dear Leader.

You must be fun at nowhere.

[jesmu84]

Its a joke. Relax.

My apologies on the overreaction. It just felt like you asked for a source, which I then provided, and you came down hard on it - without seeming to read any of it.

Anyway, it's all good. Except for the feds taking supplies from states. That's not good.

[jesmu84]

I have a poorly constructed conspiracy theory: Fed stockpile is woefully undersupplied, but feds know they need to react. So they're claiming state-ordered supplies as their own and re-distributing to preferred states.

[forgetful]

I have a poorly constructed conspiracy theory: Fed stockpile is woefully undersupplied, but feds know they need to react. So they're claiming state-ordered supplies as their own and re-distributing to preferred states.

That's not poorly constructed, this is exactly what is going on. Daily press conferences talking about how much the Feds have given to states. And criticism that they didn't buy their own.

They leave out that the Feds stole or outbid the states on the same items so they could "allocate" them.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I have a poorly constructed conspiracy theory: Fed stockpile is woefully undersupplied, but feds know they need to react. So they're claiming state-ordered supplies as their own and re-distributing to preferred states.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60318.0

Take your fever dreams to the correct thread, please.

[WarriorDad]

This country had over 100 million N95 masks in 2009.  The H1N1 outbreak depleted 75% of them.  They were not replenished by Trump administration or the Obama administration.

Blame can be pointed to every which way if people are honest here.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/03/fact-check-did-obama-administration-deplete-n-95-mask-stockpile/5114319002/

[Hards Alumni]

This country had over 100 million N95 masks in 2009.  The H1N1 outbreak depleted 75% of them.  They were not replenished by Trump administration or the Obama administration.

Blame can be pointed to every which way if people are honest here.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/03/fact-check-did-obama-administration-deplete-n-95-mask-stockpile/5114319002/

"I think there is blame on both sides, You had some very bad people in that group"

Keep up your narrative.

[jesmu84]

This country had over 100 million N95 masks in 2009.  The H1N1 outbreak depleted 75% of them.  They were not replenished by Trump administration or the Obama administration.

Blame can be pointed to every which way if people are honest here.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/03/fact-check-did-obama-administration-deplete-n-95-mask-stockpile/5114319002/

What does that have to do with the feds confiscating state orders today?

[WarriorDad]

What does that have to do with the feds confiscating state orders today?

Would confiscation have to be done if Trump and Obama administrations replaced the masks to the 2009 levels they were told by multiple experts and panels they should do? 

There is plenty of blame to go around if people are honest.  Partisans on this site from both stripes are too partisan to admit this.  Decisions made months or years ago cascade down and deliver bad set of cards to the next group.  Classic kicking of the can.

[jesmu84]

Would confiscation have to be done if Trump and Obama administrations replaced the masks to the 2009 levels they were told by multiple experts and panels they should do? 

There is plenty of blame to go around if people are honest.  Partisans on this site from both stripes are too partisan to admit this.  Decisions made months or years ago cascade down and deliver bad set of cards to the next group.  Classic kicking of the can.

Um. Wut?

It is not okay for feds to take state-ordered supplies that they need.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Would confiscation have to be done if Trump and Obama administrations replaced the masks to the 2009 levels they were told by multiple experts and panels they should do? 

There is plenty of blame to go around if people are honest.  Partisans on this site from both stripes are too partisan to admit this.  Decisions made months or years ago cascade down and deliver bad set of cards to the next group.  Classic kicking of the can.

None of the above, aina?

[#UnleashSean]

Are the feds taking away from states who are hoarding and don't need them?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

This was posted in the other thread.  I hope unrelated.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/27/republican-fundraiser-company-coronavirus-152184

[jesmu84]

Are the feds taking away from states who are hoarding and don't need them?

Source?

[WarriorDad]

Um. Wut?

It is not okay for feds to take state-ordered supplies that they need.

It was not ok to let 100 million masks not be replaced either by two administrations.

From what the talking legal heads are saying tonight the federal govt does have that authority to seize these and a number of states have asked them to do just that.  Let the Feds decide and distribute where the PPE are going for the greatest need.  Colorado governor weighed on this today.  Where the Feds have failed is articulating this policy cohesively to the states. 

[#UnleashSean]

Source?

How does one  provide a source for a question?

[tower912]

My municipality has an order in for 100k N95s that has simply disappeared.   It is either in customs in Las Vegas or has never left China.   Depending on who is asked on what day.

So we are baking the ones we have for 30 minutes and reusing them.     Because we are now under orders to not interact with the public in any way without at least a dust mask on.    I am going to end up with the goofiest tan line ever.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

My municipality has an order in for 100k N95s that has simply disappeared.   It is either in customs in Las Vegas or has never left China.   Depending on who is asked on what day.

So we are baking the ones we have for 30 minutes and reusing them.     Because we are now under orders to not interact with the public in any way without at least a dust mask on.    I am going to end up with the goofiest tan line ever.

The anti-Homer Simpson.

[tower912]

Doh!  Or...Hod!

[jesmu84]

How does one  provide a source for a question?

Your question seemed to imply that there are states that are hoarding supplies. I was asking for a source of that information.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

This is encouraging

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/08/data-federal-distribution-medical-supplies-doesnt-suggest-political-favoritism/