Author Topic: Will Markus be among the field of 64? (Read 11194 times)

mug644 · « **on:** March 19, 2020, 02:02:43 PM »

ESPN is getting set to launch its GOAT tournament, and will announce the bracket tonight at 7pm EST.

Will Markus, a top 20 scorer, make the field of 64? Me, I doubt it, but interesting to consider.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/page/playerbracket-watch/how-watch-how-vote-espn-college-basketball-greatest-all-bracket

Markusquette · « **Reply #1 on:** March 19, 2020, 02:06:47 PM »

No but Wade will be of course

brewcity77 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 19, 2020, 02:29:02 PM »

I don't expect any Marquette players to make the list. Maybe Butch Lee, as a NPOY, but I doubt it.

MU82 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 19, 2020, 02:33:27 PM »

GOAT? Of all time in college basketball history? I love Markus ... but please.

lawdog77 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 19, 2020, 02:52:26 PM »

Quote from: MU82 on March 19, 2020, 02:33:27 PM

GOAT? Of all time in college basketball history? I love Markus ... but please.

If the season would have played out, he hits 3000 points, wins a National Championship, definitely. I am the biggest Markus fan there is, but without team success he doesn't make the list.

GooooMarquette · « **Reply #5 on:** March 19, 2020, 03:53:41 PM »

We were sub-.500 in the BE, so no - he won't make it.

But Myles Powell played on a winning team, so....

oldwarrior81 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 19, 2020, 04:09:53 PM »

If they're only considering college careers it would be fairly easy to come up with 16 players from the Midwest region and not include a MU player.

If the players are selected regionally we could be up against the Big 10/14, Big 8/12 along with the other Midwest independents. ie.. Adrian Dantley or Austin Carr and his 40ppg. I would assume Larry Bird would also represent the Midwest. Oscar? Or would Cincinnati and Louisville be considered the south?

Since it says best basketball player of all time are they also going to include women?

GooooMarquette · « **Reply #7 on:** March 19, 2020, 04:43:41 PM »

Quote from: oldwarrior81 on March 19, 2020, 04:09:53 PM

If they're only considering college careers it would be fairly easy to come up with 16 players from the Midwest region and not include a MU player.

Agreed. Whenever MU had a high degree of success, we typically had balanced teams that downplayed the need for a single dominant player. Chones had Meminger and Lackey; Bo had Butch, Lloyd and the like; DWade had Diener and Novak.

The only way a MU player gets on the list is if they consider NBA as well, in which case DWade has a good shot.

cheebs09 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2020, 04:56:20 PM »

Quote from: oldwarrior81 on March 19, 2020, 04:09:53 PM

Since it says best basketball player of all time are they also going to include women?

I believe the 64 includes women. thank goodness Cheeks isn’t reading this.

Billy Hoyle · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2020, 05:03:37 PM »

Quote from: oldwarrior81 on March 19, 2020, 04:09:53 PM

If they're only considering college careers it would be fairly easy to come up with 16 players from the Midwest region and not include a MU player.

If the players are selected regionally we could be up against the Big 10/14, Big 8/12 along with the other Midwest independents. ie.. Adrian Dantley or Austin Carr and his 40ppg. I would assume Larry Bird would also represent the Midwest. Oscar? Or would Cincinnati and Louisville be considered the south?

Since it says best basketball player of all time are they also going to include women?

it will be interesting to see of far they go back and if pro careers are taking into account. From the Big Ten you could have Magic, Cazzie Russell or Rick Mount in addition to Jerry Lucas , Big 8/12 Wayman Tisdale and Danny Manning or do you just stick with Wilt? Hopefully this isn't like the majority of "greatest" we see frequently these days that don't consider anything that happened before 2005 as actually occurring.

oldwarrior81 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 19, 2020, 05:07:02 PM »

Quote from: cheebs09 on March 19, 2020, 04:56:20 PM

I believe the 64 includes women. thank goodness Cheeks isn’t reading this.

I just read that on their website. The women could occupy a couple brackets. There's been plenty of good ones; Miller, Lieberman, Holdsclaw, some UConn names, Lobo, Stewart, Taurasi, Bird, Moore.

I guessed they might include women as espn tends to stretch from what some perceive as typical when compiling their lists.
I believe their list of greatest athletes of the 20th century included Secretariat.

oldwarrior81 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 19, 2020, 05:20:53 PM »

I looked at their top collegiate football players of all-time that they did last Fall. Barry Sanders was the most recent player in their top 10.

mug644 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 19, 2020, 05:30:30 PM »

Quote from: MU82 on March 19, 2020, 02:33:27 PM

GOAT? Of all time in college basketball history? I love Markus ... but please.

I agree. With recency bias potentially in play, why not at least wonder? And, better than talking about our coach and Coronavirus, right?

MarquetteMike1977 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 19, 2020, 06:28:37 PM »

Quote from: mug644 on March 19, 2020, 02:02:43 PM

ESPN is getting set to launch its GOAT tournament, and will announce the bracket tonight at 7pm EST.

Will Markus, a top 20 scorer, make the field 64? Me, I doubt it, but interesting to consider http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/page/playerbracket-
watch/how-watch-how-vote-espn-college-
basketball-greatest-all-bracket

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MU82 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 19, 2020, 06:38:08 PM »

Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 19, 2020, 03:53:41 PM

We were sub-.500 in the BE, so no - he won't make it.

But Myles Powell played on a winning team, so....

So ... also nowhere near one of the great players ever.

Billy Hoyle · « **Reply #15 on:** March 19, 2020, 08:50:51 PM »

Wade v. Akeem the Dream. Sorry, Dwyane.

A lot of bias towards the 90’s and 2000’s. Battier? Reddick? Jimmer? No Mount or Isaiah? Lucas as a 15?

Lennys Tap · « **Reply #16 on:** March 19, 2020, 09:46:09 PM »

Quote from: oldwarrior81 on March 19, 2020, 05:07:02 PM

I just read that on their website. The women could occupy a couple brackets. There's been plenty of good ones; Miller, Lieberman, Holdsclaw, some UConn names, Lobo, Stewart, Taurasi, Bird, Moore.

I guessed they might include women as espn tends to stretch from what some perceive as typical when compiling their lists.
I believe their list of greatest athletes of the 20th century included Secretariat.

Lots of great women players. Enough to have their own tournament.

MarquetteMike1977 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 19, 2020, 10:52:46 PM »

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 19, 2020, 08:50:51 PM

Wade v. Akeem the Dream. Sorry, Dwyane.

A lot of bias towards the 90’s and 2000’s. Battier? Reddick? Jimmer? No Mount or Isaiah? Lucas as a 15?

Wade Winning on Instagram 58% to 42%
Wade Losing on Twitter 55% to 45%

MarquetteMike1977 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 19, 2020, 11:18:58 PM »

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 19, 2020, 10:52:46 PM

Wade Winning on Instagram 58% to 42%
Wade Losing on Twitter 55% to 45%

Wade was tied on Twitter up to about 20,000 votes then there was a giant swing towards Akeem in the last about 15,000 votes.

MarquetteMike1977 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 20, 2020, 12:22:40 AM »

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 19, 2020, 10:52:46 PM

Wade Winning on Instagram 58% to 42%
Wade Losing on Twitter 55% to 45%

To Vote For Wade On Instagram search Sports Center and push on the Sports Center Logo. Wait a few seconds for his race to show

Galway Eagle · « **Reply #20 on:** March 20, 2020, 07:52:07 AM »

Akeem has two other NBA players one of which was a future HoFer. Wade had two other future NBA players which were journeymen and still underclassmen... Wade for sure.

Golden Avalanche · « **Reply #21 on:** March 20, 2020, 09:21:24 AM »

Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 20, 2020, 07:52:07 AM

Akeem has two other NBA players one of which was a future HoFer. Wade had two other future NBA players which were journeymen and still underclassmen... Wade for sure.

Houston went to the National Title game in back to back years. Marquette got destroyed in the National Semi-Final.

If team success is a driving factor in conference and national POY awards (ahem, Myles Powell) then surely it must be factored in to this G.O.A.T. tournament.

Galway Eagle · « **Reply #22 on:** March 20, 2020, 09:34:27 AM »

Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 20, 2020, 09:21:24 AM

Houston went to the National Title game in back to back years. Marquette got destroyed in the National Semi-Final.

If team success is a driving factor in conference and national POY awards (ahem, Myles Powell) then surely it must be factored in to this G.O.A.T. tournament.

Right but Olajuwon wasn't even the definitive top player on those teams (secondhand) from what I understand Drexler was

oldwarrior81 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 20, 2020, 10:16:40 AM »

Does D-Wade deserve to be on this list?
Did he a have a top 50 (as a 10-seed, maybe a top 30 of all males) collegiate basketball career over the past 60 years or so?

I personally don't see much on his collegiate resume warranting his inclusion.
There were plenty of omissions. Only two from UCLA on the list? Sidney Wicks had stats similar to DWade. Plus he was a two time All-American, winning NCAA titles in all three of his years.

Olajuwon's was a NBA stud, but his 7 seed could also be questioned. A heck of a collegiate defensive player that made the Finals twice and three Final Fours.

If you're talking post college, Wade definitely should be listed.

The Lens · « **Reply #24 on:** March 20, 2020, 11:01:14 AM »

Quote from: oldwarrior81 on March 20, 2020, 10:16:40 AM

Does D-Wade deserve to be on this list?
Did he a have a top 50 (as a 10-seed, maybe a top 30 of all males) collegiate basketball career over the past 60 years or so?

I personally don't see much on his collegiate resume warranting his inclusion.
There were plenty of omissions. Only two from UCLA on the list? Sidney Wicks had stats similar to DWade. Plus he was a two time All-American, winning NCAA titles in all three of his years.

Olajuwon's was a NBA stud, but his 7 seed could also be questioned. A heck of a collegiate defensive player that made the Finals twice and three Final Fours.

If you're talking post college, Wade definitely should be listed.

This is why Butch Lee or Bo Ellis would probably be better candidates.

MarquetteMike1977 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 20, 2020, 08:20:01 PM »

Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 20, 2020, 09:34:27 AM

Right but Olajuwon wasn't even the definitive top player on those teams (secondhand) from what I understand Drexler was

Final Results
Wade Won on Instagram 58% to 42%
Wade Lost on Twitter 58% to 42%

MarquetteMike1977 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 23, 2020, 04:31:21 PM »

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 20, 2020, 08:20:01 PM

Final Results
Wade Won on Instagram 58% to 42%
Wade Lost on Twitter 58% to 42%

Marquette on ESPN U now until 5

Wade winning on Instagram 75% to 25% over Taurasi

MarquetteMike1977 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 23, 2020, 04:35:11 PM »

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 23, 2020, 04:31:21 PM

Marquette on ESPN U now until 5

Wade winning on Instagram 75% to 25% over Taurasi

To Vote on Instagram tap on the Sports Center Icon then vote

Billy Hoyle · « **Reply #28 on:** March 23, 2020, 04:40:50 PM »

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 23, 2020, 04:31:21 PM

Marquette on ESPN U now until 5

Wade winning on Instagram 75% to 25% over Taurasi

Battier over Bias and now Pistol Pete (criminal that he was 13 and paired against Sampson)
Wade over Akeem and now Tauarsi
Iverson over Brianna Stewart
JJ Reddick getting any votes
Shaq leading Alcindor (THE greatest)
1 and done Davis over Hansbrough

A majority of social media users are idiots when it comes to sports.

MarquetteMike1977 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 23, 2020, 04:56:42 PM »

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 23, 2020, 04:35:11 PM

To Vote on Instagram tap on the Sports Center Icon then vote

Let’s show them the Power of Scoop.
Am Packer Fan but Like Ditka once said right or wrong it is hard to fight the power of any kind of media. Go Marquette!

MarquetteMike1977 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 23, 2020, 09:31:45 PM »

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 23, 2020, 04:56:42 PM

Let’s show them the Power of Scoop.
Am Packer Fan but Like Ditka once said right or wrong it is hard to fight the power of any kind of media. Go Marquette!

Wage winning on Instagram 75% to 25%
Wade winning on Twitter 51% to 49%