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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2020, 07:43:15 AM »
jack mcdunkndribble wants to play at cameron indoor like his daddy and granddaddy did before him.  coach doesn't have room for him this year.  coach tells him to accept that offer from the richmond spiders or the UC santa clara banana slugs (i've always wanted to be a bs)  then, next year he transfers after a spot opens up without having to sit a year.  maybe even work out a deal pitting adidas against under armour  ;)
Is your hypothetical double Legacy a top 25 player? Is he a top 50 player? Is he a top hundred player? If he's good enough after 1 year, he'll go to the NBA if he's not Duke may not want him or if he does transfer to Duke. Maybe Richmond will take one or two players that's been recruited over

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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2020, 08:04:17 AM »
Why should there only be a one time exemption?  If we really desire free agency for people who aren’t employees they should be able to transfer as many times as they want like any other student.  Why the half measures?  I ask this because people are so adamant about wanting this but seem to stop a bit short of complete freedom of choice. 

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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2020, 08:07:19 AM »
Why should there only be a one time exemption?  If we really desire free agency for people who aren’t employees they should be able to transfer as many times as they want like any other student.  Why the half measures?  I ask this because people are so adamant about wanting this but seem to stop a bit short of complete freedom of choice. 

--It's a reasonable compromise
--It gets rid of the waiver process, which seems inconsistently applied.
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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2020, 08:08:06 AM »
Why should there only be a one time exemption?  If we really desire free agency for people who aren’t employees they should be able to transfer as many times as they want like any other student.  Why the half measures?  I ask this because people are so adamant about wanting this but seem to stop a bit short of complete freedom of choice.
In my opinion in might have to do with being able to graduate.

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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2020, 08:25:04 AM »
--It's a reasonable compromise
--It gets rid of the waiver process, which seems inconsistently applied.

Both fair points.  The first also acknowledges that there is risk taken by the institutions spending incredible amounts money developing these athletes and possibly having it go for naught.

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« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2020, 08:30:34 AM »
--It's a reasonable compromise
--It gets rid of the waiver process, which seems inconsistently applied.
 

Thoughts on one more "reasonable compromise": Tranfers should be on a full season basis (no mid season transfer to play 2nd semester at new school.
Discuss.
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« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2020, 08:31:17 AM »
 

Thoughts on one more "reasonable compromise": Tranfers should be on a full season basis (no mid season transfer to play 2nd semester at new school.
Discuss.

That's reasonable.

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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2020, 08:33:09 AM »
Let the kids transfer as often as they want but they have to sit out half a season.  Call it a 15 game non-compete clause.  And players should get paid money in addition to their free scholarships.  An across the board uniform weekly stipend during their season for all players in all sports and additional merchandise/marketing revenue so if I buy a Markus Howard jersey, he gets a percentage of that revenue as additional revenue on top of the stipend.

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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2020, 08:36:30 AM »
In my opinion in might have to do with being able to graduate.

You technically could pay your own way after your eligibility was over.   If they are on the 5-6 year plan for graduation (like many other students) due to multiple transfers what’s the harm in that?

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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2020, 08:44:13 AM »
 

Thoughts on one more "reasonable compromise": Tranfers should be on a full season basis (no mid season transfer to play 2nd semester at new school.
Discuss.


Completely agreed with that.
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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2020, 08:45:10 AM »
You technically could pay your own way after your eligibility was over.   If they are on the 5-6 year plan for graduation (like many other students) due to multiple transfers what’s the harm in that?
a lot of D1 athletes cannot afford College

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« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2020, 09:30:57 AM »
a lot of D1 athletes cannot afford College

That's not as true as it once was.  The percentage of D1 athletes who are not first-generation is shrinking every year.  More and more D1 athletes are middle-class kids whose parents had them in good training programs from the time they could dribble.

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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2020, 10:45:01 AM »
That's not as true as it once was.  The percentage of D1 athletes who are not first-generation is shrinking every year.  More and more D1 athletes are middle-class kids whose parents had them in good training programs from the time they could dribble.

Middle class kids can't afford college. Lol.

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« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2020, 10:59:46 AM »
a lot of D1 athletes cannot afford College

Wouldn't that be factored in to their decision then? If they transfer 2-3 times, extending their collegiate career to 5-6 years, then there's more money to paid. If they want to come out debt free, then don't make the decision to transfer.

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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2020, 11:03:32 AM »
Same rules for scholarship basketball, football, hockey and baseball players as every other scholarship athlete and scholarship student at every school - rather than discriminating against scholarship basketball, football, hockey and baseball players.

It's an easy choice, and the only fair one.

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Then wouldn't it also be fair to offer less in the way of funding to these athletes as well? Isn't some of the logic of the transfer stipulations around the level of scholarship funding for these players being higher than for other sports or for non-athletes?

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« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2020, 12:37:24 PM »
That's not as true as it once was.  The percentage of D1 athletes who are not first-generation is shrinking every year.  More and more D1 athletes are middle-class kids whose parents had them in good training programs from the time they could dribble.

And the coach could adopt the kids that can't pay.  It'll be perfect.

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« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2020, 01:35:57 PM »
But if we elect one of the Socialists in November, college will be free for everybody!  So this point becomes moot.
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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2020, 02:22:02 PM »
It’s a terrible idea. Why should they be bound for two years?  These are unpaid students. Not employees.

Unpaid students my backside.

They get a scholarship to attend school. In exchange for playing basketball. That’s a barter transaction.

They sign a contract, that’s why.

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« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2020, 02:35:43 PM »
I believe that there is already so much behind the scenes poaching going on that getting the transfer issue revised will not result in that many more players going to Bluebloods.

In addition to what I suggested earlier- allow for only full season transfers, not mid season- I would like to see the rules on profiting from one's image and other publicity/marketing revenue sources changed. This may well keep some players from transferring as they may be able to earn money where they are but may find slim pickings at their new place. I think it would be great if the NCAA packaged the 2 revisions together.
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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2020, 03:04:24 PM »
I believe that there is already so much behind the scenes poaching going on that getting the transfer issue revised will not result in that many more players going to Bluebloods.

In addition to what I suggested earlier- allow for only full season transfers, not mid season- I would like to see the rules on profiting from one's image and other publicity/marketing revenue sources changed. This may well keep some players from transferring as they may be able to earn money where they are but may find slim pickings at their new place. I think it would be great if the NCAA packaged the 2 revisions together.
Some of the pundits are already suggesting that’s what might happen.

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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2020, 03:07:02 PM »
I believe that there is already so much behind the scenes poaching going on that getting the transfer issue revised will not result in that many more players going to Bluebloods.

In addition to what I suggested earlier- allow for only full season transfers, not mid season- I would like to see the rules on profiting from one's image and other publicity/marketing revenue sources changed. This may well keep some players from transferring as they may be able to earn money where they are but may find slim pickings at their new place. I think it would be great if the NCAA packaged the 2 revisions together.

The latter could go the other way too.  Player at Nike school 3a is becoming more popular.  Move him to Nike Blue Blood and your ROI just goes up.  Heck they could even pay him more to do it. 

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« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2020, 03:09:42 PM »
Is your hypothetical double Legacy a top 25 player? Is he a top 50 player? Is he a top hundred player? If he's good enough after 1 year, he'll go to the NBA if he's not Duke may not want him or if he does transfer to Duke. Maybe Richmond will take one or two players that's been recruited over

so duke only takes players who are good enough for the NBA after their freshman year?  maybe he's one of those "weirdos" and wants to play college ball?  maybe he's really good, but needs another year(right vander?)  maybe coach shashefski sees something others don't? gasp!
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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #47 on: February 21, 2020, 03:15:17 PM »
a lot of D1 athletes cannot afford College

The student athlete would definitely want to take that into account before they transferred multiple times.  The athletes who could afford it should be allowed.

The one time exemption really helps the bigger basketball/football schools.  They are making this rule to benefit themselves.  Once the big school cherry picks the athlete they are captive whether the decision benefits them or not.  Perhaps the student athlete makes the wrong decision (e.g. chartouny if he transferred sophomore year and not as a graduate).

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« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2020, 03:21:44 PM »
ok, if they open the floodgates to pay these guys and they are allowed to transfer, then no scholarship is allowed.  the player pays his own way.  if the player wants to void the freedom to transfer, then the school could offer some kind of tuition waiver.  like for instance, as long as the head coach he got recruited by is still there if he so chooses. 

so many here seem pretty eager to blow up the system that has worked for so long-careful what you're wishing for.  we already have several pro leagues, here and abroad.  ya'll understand that you're essentially creating another pro league?  what about the "school" part?  the education thingy seems like a big distraction from the guy trying to make some coin man.  so, we are essentially creating colleges,  each with their own pro team...cool?

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« Reply #49 on: February 21, 2020, 03:23:42 PM »
ok, if they open the floodgates to pay these guys and they are allowed to transfer, then no scholarship is allowed.  the player pays his own way.  if the player wants to void the freedom to transfer, then the school could offer some kind of tuition waiver.  like for instance, as long as the head coach he got recruited by is still there if he so chooses. 

so many here seem pretty eager to blow up the system that has worked for so long-careful what you're wishing for.  we already have several pro leagues, here and abroad.  ya'll understand that you're essentially creating another pro league?  what about the "school" part?  the education thingy seems like a big distraction from the guy trying to make some coin man.  so, we are essentially creating colleges,  each with their own pro team...cool?

I've thought about this pay your own way but that's likely kill us against state schools. Would be interesting to see the amount of mid majors that get the boost from in state talent
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