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Transfer Rule proposal
« on: February 20, 2020, 07:14:18 PM »
So we keep it clean and in one thread.

These quotes came out today....sounds familiar from someone else here on Scoop saying this....hmmm.

Jeff Goodman:  "Dayton’s Anthony Grant had better be ready. Same for San Diego State’s Brian Dutcher, even Seton Hall’s Kevin Willard, and basically every non-blue blood coach with high-major players. If this goes through, and it appears as though it’s almost a formality at this point, the rich will get richer, and it’ll be more difficult for Grant, Dutcher and Willard — who are all currently coaching top-15 teams — to remain competitive with the blue bloods if the current concept is adopted by the Division I Council.

“It’s not a good rule for the health of college basketball,” Houston’s Kelvin Sampson told me on Tuesday night. “If we allow this rule, there’s going to be more bad decisions than good ones. Trust me, I’ve lived this.”

“This will be the death of college basketball,” said one head coach of a top-25 team.

"There’s a reason why this is already being supported by the Big Ten and the ACC. Now guys like Mike Krzyzewski, Roy Williams, John Calipari, Bill Self and Tom Izzo can plug holes in their roster with ease. There’s also a reason none of those coaches have spoken out publicly.   They know how much of an advantage it’ll be for them."

“I think it will adversely affect everybody except for the top programs,” Richmond’s Chris Mooney said.  Mooney is in a precarious spot. After struggling the last two seasons, the Spiders are 20-6, 10-3 in A-10 play and are set up to return five junior starters off this year’s team — four of which have eclipsed 1,000 career points. However, he is well-aware that guys like Blake Francis, Jacob Gilyard, Grant Golden and Nick Sherod could all be pursued heavily by high-major programs if this rule goes into place prior to next season.


Houston’s Caleb Mills is a redshirt freshman who is leading Kelvin Sampson’s group in scoring, a team that is a lock to make the NCAA Tournament. None of the big boys came after him out of high school.  Now they will.  “Ultimately, it’s what some will do, if not most,” one blue blood assistant coach told me. “And even if I don’t, the others will.”

“Allowing transfers to be able to play right away at another institution is bad for college basketball, as a whole,” Jones said. “High-major schools may benefit because they would get a student-athlete who had a good year at a lower-level school and now can play right away. But the school that believed in that kid, when other schools didn’t, and invested time and effort into helping him develop will suffer. If we care about the student-athletes, and not the schools, then yes, the rule benefits the student-athletes athletically, but not necessarily academically. If we care about both the student-athletes and the schools, then there need to be parameters to transferring like we have now.”


However, the vast majority of D-I coaches do not agree with the proposal, says Todd Berry, the executive director of the American Football Coaches Association. In fact, coaches have shown “unanimous” opposition to the idea at AFCA conventions for the last three years. And there are three main reasons why, Berry outlines: (1) the freedom to transfer and play immediately could lead to quick, rash decisions players eventually regret; (2) transfers, according to NCAA data, are less likely to graduate than non-transfers; (3) and as Richt points out in his tweet, this proposal pushes college football closer to a free agency, with coaches poaching from one another’s rosters even more than they already do.


“I know, I have an idea,” said Mark Richt. “You recruit and develop players and when I think they’re good enough I will poach them from your roster! Welcome to what the new normal will look like in college football!”

You go with a one-time transfer and add NIL,” Todd Berry says, “kids are going to be going for whoever pays them the most money. It’s a real concern for our coaches. You give them the one-time transfer and give them opportunity to negotiate an (endorsement) deal across the spectrum…. it’s free agency.”
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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2020, 07:38:39 PM »
Only 5 players can play at a time. How many "blue bloods"? 10? The math doesn't add up. These bluebloods will be signing the Top High School players as well, as well as their current roster. I don't see many freshman phenoms at lower schools transferring up. If they are that good, they will declare for the NBA. If they are not good enough for the NBA, they are now at a blueblood for 3 years, tying up a scholarship.

Jeff Goodman as the expert on the ramifactions? OK.

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2020, 07:41:45 PM »
Only 5 players can play at a time. How many "blue bloods"? 10? The math doesn't add up. These bluebloods will be signing the Top High School players as well, as well as their current roster. I don't see many freshman phenoms at lower schools transferring up. If they are that good, they will declare for the NBA. If they are not good enough for the NBA, they are now at a blueblood for 3 years, tying up a scholarship.

Jeff Goodman as the expert on the ramifactions? OK.

It’s a toss up who carries more water for college coaches, Goodman or Rothstein.
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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2020, 07:47:07 PM »
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
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And the wisdom to know the difference.

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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2020, 08:06:14 PM »
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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2020, 08:07:42 PM »
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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2020, 08:25:18 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/1972/02/27/archives/the-freshman-rule-high-school-athletes-should-beware-of-recruiters.html

Over 90% of coaches didn’t want freshmen to be eligible back in 1972.

Let’s just say that I don’t think coaches are the wisest of people to listen to on issues like these.

Too much self interest and turf protection.
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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2020, 08:53:34 PM »
Hold on - You mean the coaches paid millions of dollars to coach student athletes are against a rule making their job more challenging? You don’t say !

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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2020, 09:10:05 PM »
Same rules for scholarship basketball, football, hockey and baseball players as every other scholarship athlete and scholarship student at every school - rather than discriminating against scholarship basketball, football, hockey and baseball players.

It's an easy choice, and the only fair one.

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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2020, 09:17:49 PM »
Who better to pontificate on ethics in college athletics than Kelvin Sampson?

Edit: And as usual, the discussion is framed around what's best for the wealthy coaches and institutions, never the players.
To be fair to Goodman, he did present that side in his story.  Someone chose to leave that part out here, though.



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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2020, 09:20:15 PM »
Who better to pontificate on ethics in college athletics than Kelvin Sampson?

Exactly.

 Also did he forget that Grimes transferred from KU and is playing for him this season? Why does everyone all of a sudden think the Duke’s and Kentucky’s will have 30 roster spots available to steal everyone’s players?

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2020, 09:28:12 PM »
   we'll get 'em next year just took on a whole different meaning
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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2020, 09:31:06 PM »
Exactly.

 Also did he forget that Grimes transferred from KU and is playing for him this season? Why does everyone all of a sudden think the Duke’s and Kentucky’s will have 30 roster spots available to steal everyone’s players?

Right. And I'm pretty sure Cal and Coach K aren't eager to stack their rosters with A-10 talent.

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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2020, 09:35:07 PM »
Exactly.

 Also did he forget that Grimes transferred from KU and is playing for him this season? Why does everyone all of a sudden think the Duke’s and Kentucky’s will have 30 roster spots available to steal everyone’s players?
It’s called cherry picking.  Pick off the cream of the crop from the lesser teams.  So simple with new rules.  Beware.

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2020, 10:18:34 PM »
Simple rule:

1) College scholarships are for two years.

2) During the time of the contract, the student athlete is forbidden to transfer absent an NCAA probation/sanction or if the coach leaves unless the school releases him or her.

3) At the end of two years, the school and the athlete renew the contract. Provisions are the same as the original contract.

This would allow for one transfer if things don't work out or anytime the athlete requests and a student approves a release. It's legal and clean.

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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2020, 12:00:31 AM »
Yawn.

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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2020, 03:04:06 AM »
Simple rule:

1) College scholarships are for two years.

2) During the time of the contract, the student athlete is forbidden to transfer absent an NCAA probation/sanction or if the coach leaves unless the school releases him or her.

3) At the end of two years, the school and the athlete renew the contract. Provisions are the same as the original contract.

This would allow for one transfer if things don't work out or anytime the athlete requests and a student approves a release. It's legal and clean.

This is an interesting idea.

I could see a some negative situations. Example: kid gets homesick less than a year in. But I guess even then it wouldn’t be too much different than the current system of sitting out a year.

I think I like this idea.
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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2020, 04:23:45 AM »
This is an interesting idea.

I could see a some negative situations. Example: kid gets homesick less than a year in. But I guess even then it wouldn’t be too much different than the current system of sitting out a year.

I think I like this idea.

It’s a terrible idea. Why should they be bound for two years?  These are unpaid students. Not employees.
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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2020, 04:24:24 AM »
It’s called cherry picking.  Pick off the cream of the crop from the lesser teams.  So simple with new rules.  Beware.

Yep. And that’s fine.
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2020, 06:26:57 AM »
It’s a terrible idea. Why should they be bound for two years?  These are unpaid students. Not employees.

I agree. Let them transfer whenever they want and continue to be unpaid students... while sitting out a year in residence.

Already have that! Great!

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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2020, 07:09:49 AM »
Simple rule:

1) College scholarships are for two years.

2) During the time of the contract, the student athlete is forbidden to transfer absent an NCAA probation/sanction or if the coach leaves unless the school releases him or her.

3) At the end of two years, the school and the athlete renew the contract. Provisions are the same as the original contract.

This would allow for one transfer if things don't work out or anytime the athlete requests and a student approves a release. It's legal and clean.

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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2020, 07:22:36 AM »
jack mcdunkndribble wants to play at cameron indoor like his daddy and granddaddy did before him.  coach doesn't have room for him this year.  coach tells him to accept that offer from the richmond spiders or the UC santa clara banana slugs (i've always wanted to be a bs)  then, next year he transfers after a spot opens up without having to sit a year.  maybe even work out a deal pitting adidas against under armour  ;)
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Re: Transfer Rule proposal
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2020, 07:23:54 AM »

“This will be the death of college basketball,” said one head coach of a top-25 team.


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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2020, 07:41:11 AM »
jack mcdunkndribble wants to play at cameron indoor like his daddy and granddaddy did before him.  coach doesn't have room for him this year.  coach tells him to accept that offer from the richmond spiders or the UC santa clara banana slugs (i've always wanted to be a bs)  then, next year he transfers after a spot opens up without having to sit a year.  maybe even work out a deal pitting adidas against under armour  ;)

Sounds good to me.
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