Dwyane Wade

[harryp]

I have never been as proud of a MU alumnus as I was of Dwyane Wade today.  He was interviewed by Ellen DeGeneris on her show. He spoke out for and defended his young transgender daughter. Obviously an extremely intelligent man, who exemplifies a MU education, he showed as a parent how to respect and raise a child and pass along to her/him the values and sensitivities that I would like to think he acquired along with a Jesuit education. I, as a parent of 5 children, and as almost all parents, have had to accept their children with values and lives that may differ from what they expected. This is done with love and I hope that I have done so as well as Dwyane Wade has.

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[We R Final Four]

Very well said. Thank you.

[Johnny B]

This is week plus old news

[skianth16]

The thread title feels like trolling...

[harryp]

Actually I'm a VERY old alumnus, I don't know exactly what "trolling" means or how to do it. I meant what I said and I said it sincerely. If it's old news, so be it, but I first knew of it this afternoon.

[BM1090]

Actually I'm a VERY old alumnus, I don't know exactly what "trolling" means or how to do it. I meant what I said and I said it sincerely. If it's old news, so be it, but I first knew of it this afternoon.

Think he just was referring to your misspelling of Dwyane's name.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Duane who?

[GoldenDieners32]

Duane who?

Wilson

[Galway Eagle]

The weird poster that's always trolling here.

[GooooMarquette]

I am a long-time spelling and grammar Nazi who has been in remission. But I will go out on a one-time bender for a misspelling of the one name any MU fan ought to get right. D-W-Y-A-N-E.

Okay, now back to my twelve steps....

[tower912]

But yes, DWYANE Wade has shown high character recently.

[IL Warrior]

Lots of good MUBB press lately. Duane Wade on Ellen, Marcus Howard in the running for NPOY, and Juan Andersen making his NBA debut.

I wonder what Luke Fisher and Devante Gardner are up to...

[tower912]

Lots of good MUBB press lately. Duane Wade on Ellen, Marcus Howard in the running for NPOY, and Juan Andersen making his NBA debut.

I wonder what Luke Fisher and Devante Gardner are up to...

Or Dominique James and Gerald McNeil?  Or Samantha and Jolie Hoser?

[Dr. Blackheart]

Lots of good MUBB press lately. Duane Wade on Ellen, Marcus Howard in the running for NPOY, and Juan Andersen making his NBA debut.

I wonder what Luke Fisher and Devante Gardner are up to...

Saw on Insta recently they had a Big Man's Reunion at Kris O'Tule's.

[BrewCity83]

Saw on Insta recently they had a Big Man's Reunion at Kris O'Tule's.

Oh, at Kris O'Tule's Irish Pub?

[auburnmarquette]

Oh, at Kris O'Tule's Irish Pub?

Haha, however you spell it the big man was one of my favorite 2-star to finding a way to be a real contributor - and talk about a guy who may have saved MU some really bad press by stopping teammates from doing something really awful.

[Billy Hoyle]

Haha, however you spell it the big man was one of my favorite 2-star to finding a way to be a real contributor - and talk about a guy who may have saved MU some really bad press by stopping teammates from doing something really awful.

the company line...

and what's amusing is that in previous versions it was someone else who allegedly stopped it (but actually didn't) from happening.

[BrewCity83]

Haha, however you spell it the big man was one of my favorite 2-star to finding a way to be a real contributor - and talk about a guy who may have saved MU some really bad press by stopping teammates from doing something really awful.

I would love to hear this story.  PM if needed...

[GoldenDieners32]

Haha, however you spell it the big man was one of my favorite 2-star to finding a way to be a real contributor - and talk about a guy who may have saved MU some really bad press by stopping teammates from doing something really awful.

Same as guy above, i wanna hear the story

[Galway Eagle]

Haha, however you spell it the big man was one of my favorite 2-star to finding a way to be a real contributor - and talk about a guy who may have saved MU some really bad press by stopping teammates from doing something really awful.

His defense was much better in games as he let enough of the rest of the team do really awful stuff

[Ardmore Mug]

Saw on Insta recently they had a Big Boy's Reunion at Kris O'Tule's.

FIFY.

[4everwarriors]

Crean sucks

[leever]

I have never been as proud of a MU alumnus as I was of Dwyane Wade today.  He was interviewed by Ellen DeGeneris on her show. He spoke out for and defended his young transgender daughter. Obviously an extremely intelligent man, who exemplifies a MU education, he showed as a parent how to respect and raise a child and pass along to her/him the values and sensitivities that I would like to think he acquired along with a Jesuit education. I, as a parent of 5 children, and as almost all parents, have had to accept their children with values and lives that may differ from what they expected. This is done with love and I hope that I have done so as well as Dwyane Wade has.

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Damn.  Guy posts some well deserved praise for one of Marquettes finest and he gets ripped for spelling and "old news".
Thanks for the post Harry!

[nycwarrior]

Totally agree with the OP's sentiment about Wade's bravery on behalf of and acceptance of his child.

[MUBigDance]

I have never been as proud of a MU alumnus as I was of Dwyane Wade today.  He was interviewed by Ellen DeGeneris on her show. He spoke out for and defended his young transgender daughter. Obviously an extremely intelligent man, who exemplifies a MU education, he showed as a parent how to respect and raise a child and pass along to her/him the values and sensitivities that I would like to think he acquired along with a Jesuit education. I, as a parent of 5 children, and as almost all parents, have had to accept their children with values and lives that may differ from what they expected. This is done with love and I hope that I have done so as well as Dwyane Wade has.

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I did not see the interview...obviously this post gets away from basketball and into Faith, Social and Moral (notice I didnt say Political) values. Thats ok, an important topic. I don't doubt DWade is a thoughtful and loving father. But I think you can still love and accept your children and see transgenderism as a dysfunctional path that needs the love and acceptance of a parent to help steer them clear of. We should always love our children...what does love look like in situations like this? Can you envision a life choice by your children that you would help them avoid? Is everything ok?....is everything relative?  I am a Christian and see transgenderism as dysfunctional.

[Billy Hoyle]

I did not see the interview...obviously this post gets away from basketball and into Faith, Social and Moral (notice I didnt say Political) values. Thats ok, an important topic. I don't doubt DWade is a thoughtful and loving father. But I think you can still love and accept your children and see transgenderism as a dysfunctional path that needs the love and acceptance of a parent to help steer them clear of. We should always love our children...what does love look like in situations like this? Can you envision a life choice by your children that you would help them avoid? Is everything ok?....is everything relative?  I am a Christian and see transgenderism as dysfunctional.

[Silkk the Shaka]

I did not see the interview...obviously this post gets away from basketball and into Faith, Social and Moral (notice I didnt say Political) values. Thats ok, an important topic. I don't doubt DWade is a thoughtful and loving father. But I think you can still love and accept your children and see transgenderism as a dysfunctional path that needs the love and acceptance of a parent to help steer them clear of. We should always love our children...what does love look like in situations like this? Can you envision a life choice by your children that you would help them avoid? Is everything ok?....is everything relative?  I am a Christian and see transgenderism as dysfunctional.

As a Christian, which teachings of Christ led you to this conclusion?

[lawdog77]

In before the lock.

[Galway Eagle]

I did not see the interview...obviously this post gets away from basketball and into Faith, Social and Moral (notice I didnt say Political) values. Thats ok, an important topic. I don't doubt DWade is a thoughtful and loving father. But I think you can still love and accept your children and see transgenderism as a dysfunctional path that needs the love and acceptance of a parent to help steer them clear of. We should always love our children...what does love look like in situations like this? Can you envision a life choice by your children that you would help them avoid? Is everything ok?....is everything relative?  I am a Christian and see transgenderism as dysfunctional.

Oh god. Between Jockeys post on corona, this, and 83's on "socialists" people are in full force looking to instigate arguments recently

[MUBigDance]

In before the lock.

Agree with Lock...sure. But the topic was posted so I commented. Don't want an off-basketball argument.

[tower912]

In answer to your question, however, there ARE moral choices and lessons I have tried educate my children about.   I suspect, however, they are not the same as the ones you worry about.   

[MUBigDance]

In answer to your question, however, there ARE moral choices and lessons I have tried educate my children about.   I suspect, however, they are not the same as the ones you worry about.

No, I think a lot of them are the same....also worry isn't the right word here, right?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

As a Christian, which teachings of Christ led you to this conclusion?

I'm curious about this as well. There are several transgendered people in the bible who were revered, that in addition to Jesus' central message of love and acceptance for all people.

[We R Final Four]

I'm curious about this as well. There are several transgendered people in the bible who were revered, that in addition to Jesus' central message of love and acceptance for all people.

This.

[MUBigDance]

I'm curious about this as well. There are several transgendered people in the bible who were revered, that in addition to Jesus' central message of love and acceptance for all people.

There are not several transgendered people in the Bible. And Jesus' central purpose was to seek and save the lost thru faith in Him and his resurrection. This was certainly for all people but also certainly there were many behaviors that he did not accept.
Respectfully I think there are some misconceptions of what the Bible says and Jesus' purposes describe d there.

Like we all know, this conversation in the context of Scoop can only devolve. I'm not going to answer any more here....no matter how tempting the troll   

Hope that makes sense.

PS. feel free to send a note thru scoop message if you want to dialogue. I'm only once a week or so...so might not respond soon.

[Johnny B]

Throw this in before the lock. We do not get our morality from the bible clearly. We get it elsewhere. There is nothing in the bible about freaking trans people. Let's stop pretending the bible has all the answers. The bible supports slavery ffs

[Hards Alumni]

There are not several transgendered people in the Bible. And Jesus' central purpose was to seek and save the lost thru faith in Him and his resurrection. This was certainly for all people but also certainly there were many behaviors that he did not accept.
Respectfully I think there are some misconceptions of what the Bible says and Jesus' purposes describe d there.

Like we all know, this conversation in the context of Scoop can only devolve. I'm not going to answer any more here....no matter how tempting the troll   

Hope that makes sense.

PS. feel free to send a note thru scoop message if you want to dialogue. I'm only once a week or so...so might not respond soon.

Allow me to rephrase this for you.

"I have no argument, nor can I point to anything in the bible as requested, I just find it icky."

[MU82]

Not sure what the bible says specifically about transgender people, but it unquestionably says in several passages that adulterers should be put to death.

[HutchwasClutch]

Not sure what the bible says specifically about transgender people, but it unquestionably says in several passages that adulterers should be put to death.

Jesus unquestionably put down the angry mob who wanted to stone to death the woman caught in the act of adultry.  And put them down with one of His most profound responses that simply disarmed the mob completely.

[HutchwasClutch]

There are several transgendered people in the bible who were revered,

In what bible is that?!?  Seriously

[keefe]

There are several transgendered people in the bible who were revered

Fact Check: Bull Sh1t

[Johnny B]

I'm curious about this as well. There are several transgendered people in the bible who were revered, that in addition to Jesus' central message of love and acceptance for all people.

At least you're rational when it comes to college basketball

[HutchwasClutch]

There is nothing in the bible about freaking trans people. The bible supports slavery ffs

You’re absolutely correct in the first statement.  To claim otherwise is quackery.

Too bad you swung and missed so badly in your other statement. God’s teaching and works is about freeing people from the bonds of slavery. 

[Johnny B]

You’re absolutely correct in the first statement.  To claim otherwise is quackery.

Too bad you swung and missed so badly in your other statement. God’s teaching and works is about freeing people from the bonds of slavery.

I have absolutely nothing wrong with religious people that follow the "jesus is love" sorta of thing. I'm sorry to say the bible does support slavery and I can give you the verses If you want but its east to look up

[Johnny B]

Can we have a religion thread in the super bar?? Is that even allowed. So many interesting perspectives I'd love to hear

[HutchwasClutch]

I have absolutely nothing wrong with religious people that follow the "jesus is love" sorta of thing. I'm sorry to say the bible does support slavery and I can give you the verses If you want but its east to look up

Tell me chapter and verse it being God’s word, teaching...

[Johnny B]

Tell me chapter and verse it being God’s word, teaching...

Epehsians 6:5.  And other passages on beating slaves.. come on man

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

In what bible is that?!?  Seriously

Fact Check: Bull Sh1t

I apologize, it is probably incorrect of me to say there are several transgendered people in the Bible. We can't know that for sure. The more correct phrasing would be that there are several men in the bible who are repeatedly described with effeminate qualities, who are described doing things that were reversed only for women in that day and age, and in a few cases were described as wearing clothing only worn by women in that time.

[Johnny B]

I apologize, it is probably incorrect of me to say there are several transgendered people in the Bible. We can't know that for sure. The more correct phrasing would be that there are several men in the bible who are repeatedly described with effeminate qualities, who are described doing things that were reversed only for women in that day and age, and in a few cases were described as wearing clothing only worn by women in that time.

The " more correct phrasing"  is this all Non sense. The Male wears this and girls wear that is a complete human construct. The bible supports slavery. Says gays should be put to death. Says eating shell fish or mixing fabrics are worthy of death. Kill woman who aren't virgins on their wedding night. Kill people working on sundays. Submission of woman. THIS IS NONSENSE. The bible is full of irrational non sense. You cherry pick the bible like crazy. You follow some parts and ignore others. This is ridiculous nonsense. Believe what you want but this idioitc. Go ahead and ban. I have seen my own cousin be disowned and kicked out of the house at age 14 because of religious hateful idiots. Ban me idc

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

There are not several transgendered people in the Bible. And Jesus' central purpose was to seek and save the lost thru faith in Him and his resurrection. This was certainly for all people but also certainly there were many behaviors that he did not accept.
Respectfully I think there are some misconceptions of what the Bible says and Jesus' purposes describe d there.

Like we all know, this conversation in the context of Scoop can only devolve. I'm not going to answer any more here....no matter how tempting the troll   

Hope that makes sense.

PS. feel free to send a note thru scoop message if you want to dialogue. I'm only once a week or so...so might not respond soon.

I'm honestly not attempting to troll. You connected being Christian with seeing transgender as being a "dysfunctional path." I was curious where that came from as I personally don't know of any scripture that says that being transgender was a "behavior that Jesus did not accept."

I think gender identity and sexual orientation are often unfairly lumped together. While I don't agree, I at least "get" why some Christians believe homosexuality is against their faith. There is scripture you can point to. Personally, I think that scripture is often taken out of context and is later clarified by Jesus' message of love, but that's a whole other discussion. I don't think there is any scripture that labels being transgender as a sin, I certainly could be wrong though.

[Johnny B]

Nvm

[HutchwasClutch]

Epehsians 6:5.  And other passages on beating slaves.. come on man

You’re entirely missing point of St Paul’s message. It’s essence is that of obedience and we all serve one master, who doesn’t hold anyone above the other.  It is not about beating slaves, that is such a twisted interpretation and flat wrong. 

I’m sure you have nothing from God’s word or from Jeaus’s ministry on earth either as I asked.

[Johnny B]

You’re entirely missing point of St Paul’s message. It’s essence is that of obedience and we all serve one master, who doesn’t hold anyone above the other.  It is not about beating slaves, that is such a twisted interpretation and flat wrong. 

I’m sure you have nothing from God’s word or from Jeaus’s ministry on earth either as I asked.

all I need to do is quote. You cherry pick the parts you like and ignore the rest. I'm sure you dont want execute People who cheat on their spouse? Also you can't argue slavery. It I's clearly recognized in the bible. You can choose to ignore those.parts but that's my whole point. Its non sense

[rocket surgeon]

In what bible is that?!?  Seriously

the one caitlyn carries around

[HutchwasClutch]

all I need to do is quote. You cherry pick the parts you like and ignore the rest. I'm sure you dont want execute People who cheat on their spouse? Also you can't argue slavery. It I's clearly recognized in the bible. You can choose to ignore those.parts but that's my whole point. Its non sense

Johnny,

There’s terrible treatment of slaves in the Bible. No argument there. But St Paul’s message that you cited as an example of there being biblical teaching supporting such a thing is totally the opposite of what St Paul was conveying in his letter.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I'm honestly not attempting to troll. You connected being Christian with seeing transgender as being a "dysfunctional path." I was curious where that came from as I personally don't know of any scripture that says that being transgender was a "behavior that Jesus did not accept."

I think gender identity and sexual orientation are often unfairly lumped together. While I don't agree, I at least "get" why some Christians believe homosexuality is against their faith. There is scripture you can point to. Personally, I think that scripture is often taken out of context and is later clarified by Jesus' message of love, but that's a whole other discussion. I don't think there is any scripture that labels being transgender as a sin, I certainly could be wrong though.

And thouest says the LORD, "take thy chemicals and other man-made cocktails, and turneth yorth cockandballs into a hairy vagina."   Lasvegasans, 2:15-16.

[Uncle Rico]

Bible is one of my favorite fiction books

[🏀]

Jesus unquestionably put down the angry mob who wanted to stone to death the woman caught in the act of adultry.  And put them down with one of His most profound responses that simply disarmed the mob

Unquestionably?

[HutchwasClutch]

Unquestionably?

Yes. How is that not the correct term for how it played out? 

[rocket surgeon]

And thouest says the LORD, "take thy chemicals and other man-made cocktails, and turneth yorth cockandballs into a hairy vagina."   Lasvegasans, 2:15-16.

you must have had the old traditional bible.  the newer versions at least are open to the brazilians or landing strips?  must be different bibles from different persuasions 

[HutchwasClutch]

Personally, I think that scripture is often taken out of context and is later clarified by Jesus' message of love

Absolutely and perfectly stated TAMU.

[MU82]

Jesus unquestionably put down the angry mob who wanted to stone to death the woman caught in the act of adultry.  And put them down with one of His most profound responses that simply disarmed the mob completely.

Numerous places in the Old Testament say adulterers must die. Jesus later said numerous times that the Old Testament was divinely inspired, the irrefutable "Word of God." He referred to Old Testament scripture as "the commandment of God."

So I'm not sure what you say is "unquestioned," as it seems to be questioned (or at least contradicted) by Jesus himself.

However, yes, most biblical scholars I've read believe exactly as TAMU says and that you agree with: "scripture is often taken out of context and is later clarified by Jesus' message of love." The Jesus that I learned about at Marquette and elsewhere would have condemned those who hate homosexuals, transgender people, immigrants, poor people, sick people, those of different religions, even "enemies."

[lawdog77]

Numerous places in the Old Testament say adulterers must die. Jesus later said numerous times that the Old Testament was divinely inspired, the irrefutable "Word of God." He referred to Old Testament scripture as "the commandment of God."

So I'm not sure what you say is "unquestioned," as it seems to be questioned (or at least contradicted) by Jesus himself.

However, yes, most biblical scholars I've read believe exactly as TAMU says and that you agree with: "scripture is often taken out of context and is later clarified by Jesus' message of love." The Jesus that I learned about at Marquette and elsewhere would have condemned those who hate homosexuals, transgender people, immigrants, poor people, sick people, those of different religions, even "enemies."

Is it still OK to hate Notre Dame?

[MU82]

Is it still OK to hate Notre Dame?

Well, duh!

[keefe]

you must have had the old traditional bible.  the newer versions at least are open to the brazilians or landing strips?  must be different bibles from different persuasions

I believe it was St Guccione of Rio who exhorted the masses to forgo the ways of the jungle

[NickelDimer]

SUPERBAR

[Ardmore Mug]

+1000    PLEASE ! ! !

[Milkshakes]

Is it still OK to hate Notre Dame?

Post of the year. 

[🏀]

Yes. How is that not the correct term for how it played out? 

If it actually happened without any embellishments, sure.

[Daniel]

Oh.  My.  God. 

[harryp]

There were no recording devices, shorthand, printing presses etc at that time. The bible appears to be at least a translation of a translation of a translation. Writers were generally slaves with unknown literacy. Even the new Testament was written long after the death of Jesus. Finally it was all reviewed and redacted by the Council of Trent long after it was written. All the parts that were not in accord with dogma as understood at that time, and some parts disappeared forever -- like the gospel of Thomas, the gospel of Judas, etc. Catholic Religion has never claimed to be based exclusively on the Bible.

[keefe]

There were no recording devices, shorthand, printing presses etc at that time. The bible appears to be at least a translation of a translation of a translation. Writers were generally slaves with unknown literacy. Even the new Testament was written long after the death of Jesus. Finally it was all reviewed and redacted by the Council of Trent long after it was written. All the parts that were not in accord with dogma as understood at that time, and some parts disappeared forever -- like the gospel of Thomas, the gospel of Judas, etc. Catholic Religion has never claimed to be based exclusively on the Bible.

As Fr Sheehan taught there are four distinct Ugaritic sources of the Old Testament,  J E D P, which were passed down over many generations in the oral tradition.

The fact that singing is so prominent in Jewish culture is that song was used to share the 24 books of the Jewish faith, a practice that continues to this day with Cantors. The name Cohen/Kohn/Coen/Kahin, etc... were names given to cantors who celebrated Shabbos through song.

Jewish singers were common in early 20th century popular culture. Unfortunately, this heritage led to Barbra Streisand but we shouldn't condemn a people for that. 

[GoldenDieners32]

Anyone watching the documentary right now?? It’s really good

[NickelDimer]

Anyone watching the documentary right now?? It’s really good

Don’t F**k With Cats?

[rocket surgeon]

Anyone watching the documentary right now?? It’s really good

excellent story!   dwade came across very well put together, humble and much wiser than a kid who had to sit out his first year because of prop 48.  what a great story all around.  turning his mom and dads lives around.  there are so many other ways the dwade story could have gone despite his success...where did time go?  seems like just yesterday he left MU and now he's retired from the NBA and sure HOF'er with 3 rings

[BrewCity83]

That's a really well done biography.  Every MU fan should watch it.  "D.Wade - a life unexpected" on ESPN. 

[Herman Cain]

And thouest says the LORD, "take thy chemicals and other man-made cocktails, and turneth yorth cockandballs into a hairy vagina."   Lasvegasans, 2:15-16.

you must have had the old traditional bible.  the newer versions at least are open to the brazilians or landing strips?  must be different bibles from different persuasions

I prefer the full tumbleweed . Which version is that in?

[rocket surgeon]

I prefer the full tumbleweed . Which version is that in?

LOL herman!  that is definitely the got to be the old testament on parchment paper version